Full Series The Clone Wars: Episode 416: Friends and Enemies Discussion Thread

As for the breathing tubes, if you look at this from Wookieepedia:

"He also utilized removable cybernetic breathing tubes that were embedded in his cheekbones; they were directly connected to his windpipe,allowing him to work freely in the harshest atmospheres without the need for additional protection."

This suggests that they would have to be surgically implanted into his face in order to connect them to his windpipe- maybe he just hasn't had the time to do that since he just got out of jail. Heck, he hasn't even had enough time to find a new change of clothes or all of his basic weaponry, let alone his gadgets.

 

If you are duros same rules may not apply.... (see how Kel Dor did it- and so close to a star- definitely a lot of radiation) and SW is filled with scientific impossibilities anyway... besides exact way how human body reacts to vacuum is never tested (which is a good thing because who would like to be a victim of such a "scientific test") so modern science only has theories about it and cooked or frozen- whatever we know it is definitely not healthy without pressurized suit.

 

What comes to mind is the clone troopers out there in the vacuum of space with Plo in that Malevolence episode. Armor isn't a space suit and Plo said he can survive at a short time, but he was out there with the clones for nearly 10-15 minutes of episode time. That's pretty inconsistent and silly.

 

Yeah- but so is that asteroid-trip in ESB- SW is silly what comes to these scientific things....

 

Not in the slightest. Going back to the earliest EU, stormtrooper bodysuits have always been portrayed as pressurised. In Republic Commando, one level begins with the squad infiltrating an assault ship through space in their standard suits of armour. The main advantages of the spacetroopers over the regular troopers are enhanced oxygen supplies, propulsion systems and the weaponry and armour needed to survive in a space battle.

Very consistent, though it probably has nothing to do with the real reason for why Bane has breathing tubes.

 

No doubt clonearmors are pressurized with some magical scifi technology but that doesn't explain Plo in anyway. Also it seems unlikely they would have enough oxygen in armor but I guess "magical" re-breather device in armor explains it (like those used in TPM)- in GFFA surprising amount of oxygen supplies can be placed in a very small space . As also demonstrated in Dac-arc where Anakin, Padmé and Ahsoka had nearly unending oxygensupplies in small tanks -it lasted hours and hours (probably few days) while they were swimming around and using a lot of oxygen - so much that tank would be empty very soon or so I would imagine....

Neimoidians and duros have no nose and they keep their mouth shut sometimes so I guess they breathe through their skin anyway- Bane's breathing tubes are still bit hard to explain (to make any sense) but well they were looking pretty cool.

 

In regards to the breathing tubes I'm sure Filoni addresses this on one of the DVD extras [can't remember if it's season 1 or 2] when he explains every part of his outfit is designed to go up against Jedi.

He explained the tubes are a defence against force choke as opposed to being a breathing device.

 

GGrievous wrote:
"What comes to mind is the clone troopers out there in the vacuum of space with Plo in that Malevolence episode. Armor isn't a space suit and Plo said he can survive at a short time, but he was out there with the clones for nearly 10-15 minutes of episode time. That's pretty inconsistent and silly."

Not really. The EU and novels have always described storm troopers as having a short supply of air in the suit for emergency situations. Also, Plo Koon's race is insect-like and have an exoskeleton. With the breathing apparatus that he always wears due to oxygen being poison to him, plus this, there is no reason to suspect that he would die due to a short EVA from a spacecraft.

Along those lines, during testing of a high altitude/space suit decades ago, an American pilot was accidentally exposed to vacuum conditions in a test chamber briefly due to the failure of a valve on his suit. Fortunately, while he did pass out and his eyes were bloodshot, there was little harm done. People don't explode in a vacuum, nor does one's blood boil. I would be more concerned of asphyxiation or freezing to death rapidly.

 

I'd rather take the word of Wookieepedia than Filoni.

 

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... creators intent wins out with me everytime

Anyhoooo, looking forward to the rest of this arc far more than i was expecting to.

 

So the first episode met my fairly high expectations. Now my fears are only stronger they'll screw it up somehow!

Do they at least have the same writer for the entire arc?


EDIT: So based on the character descriptions in the episode guide, Anakin is not told anything about the plan, of course because it's much more dramatic if he doesn't know, and the Council specifically does not allow him to go after the killer. So he goes and talks to Palpatine, who probably tells him to follow his feelings and go after Hardeen et al.

Sounds like it could be pretty cool, if you suck it up and ignore the fact that Anakin wouldn't be told of the plot. The only way I'll be happy about this is if they address his relationship with Palpatine or Padme, THAT would be cool.

I'm also guessing by the end of this episode that Bane will flee Morallo and Hardeen, because they can't agree, and the kidnapping wasn't really part of Bane's plan. So it will be Ben and Eval at the end escaping to Naboo.

 

Yeah, but they couldn't protect them from the Blue Shadow Virus. Real consistent.

Why, because you like their idea better?

 

The people who write those articles generally know their stuff a damn sight better than 99% of LFL's actual employees.

 

Yep. It really is consistent... when it comes to the bodysuit and armour's protection against hard vacuum as opposed to microbial pathogens.

 

It originated from Sun Tzu's The Art of War.

 

Actually, yes it is. I have a couple of sourcebooks which say clone troopers' armor is primarily designed to protect them from the vacuum of space, and not to protect them from blaster fire.

 

If I remember right those foolish clones took their helmets off.... so it would've protected them.... maybe.... I'm not sure...

 

I don't recall any clone helmets being off until the end of the episode. I agree with Quango. The armor probably protects against vacuums and not air born pathogens. Anyways I would assume the clones would normally just breath air. Maybe filtered air and have to switch to any built in air supply. Sometimes they seem to live and sometimes they seem to die when accidentally sucked into space. In blue shadow virus they thought they were safe until the one Guy was like 'oh damnit. Some got in and we are gonna die.' Chalk the rest up to human error. LOL this has nothing to do with this episode.

 

Yeah, but they couldn't protect them from the Blue Shadow Virus. Real consistent.
Unmodified stormtrooper armor only has 20 minutes of air, so I imagine most of the time they just breathe air if they can. And they might just have run out of air eventual and had to risk infection.

 

I'm quite sure we saw coughing clones without helmets but no clone with helmet was infected.... hmm ... i need to check it though I rarely watch that episode...

 

Actually your right. There were helmetless clones coughing in the scene where they are like 'Oh no the virus got in'. Then the very next time we see them everyones got their helmet off and Padme is given a blaster. If Padme would of never been given a blaster and would of been told to sit in the room like a good senator her suit never would of been damaged. I also always thought the blue mist is more for the viewers and the characters can't really see it.

 

Yep looks like Rex and everyone were infected when not wearing the helmet.... but why to take it off in the first place? There is no problem in fact what comes to armor and blue shadow virus- armor would've protected them -but they took their helmets off

 

that's 2 in a row now.

 

The helmet breathing apparatus might be intended to protect them.

Unless it doesn't. Perhaps the BSV is a strain that can get through the air filtering systems of the Phase I helmets as the Kaminoan designers did not anticipate the use of such a rare bioweapon.

Instead, the CIS-employed Dr. Vindi might have developed the virus to get through the air filtering systems of Phase I clone helmets.

This still has nothing to do with Cad Bane's breathing tubes...

 

How exactly do those tubes work anyway. Bane doesn't appear to have any holes in his cheeks, and do they attach to the back of his neck or what.