Full Series The Clone Wars - Episode 5.1 - Revival - discussion thread

That was an awesome season premiere. I've been anxiously waiting to see more of the Nightbrother duo since the finale, and they did not disappoint.

Hondo Ohnaka is back and hilarious as always.

Loved the lightsaber duels. Savage killing Adi Gallia was a nice touch; shows how powerful he's become to where he can kill members of the Jedi Council. Obi-Wan being able to stand up to the combined power of Maul and Savage was awesome; a nice example of the Jedi fortune cookie: "Strength in character can defeat strength in numbers".

Maul seeking the criminal underworld for an army makes sense and serves to separate himself from both the Jedi's clone army and Dooku's separatist army. Now I REALLY can't wait for the Mauldalorians to rise.

And that last scene with Palpatine telling the Jedi to focus more on the Separatists than on Maul...while wearing black robes in a red-walled room. And that evil smile in the end. Well played, Clone Wars team. Well played.

10/10

 

5/10 for mentioning the Hydian Way and having Hondo appear.
-5 for killing Adi Gallia.
Nice try, TCW.

 

Nobody is ever happy are they?

 

Welcome to life. And the Internet.

 

That's kinda how forums work, people have different opinions and discuss those. Sometimes they get a little too spirited discussing those opinions. Its all good, its all fun.

 

The 2003 series made me happy.

 

2009 Clone Wars made me happy. This only does if enjoyed ironically.

 

After Even Piell's death, I argued that LFL should simply split the EU and stop insisting on this whole one big happy EU that they clearly can't manage. Let's be clear, I'm not upset that Clone Wars does its own thing. I'm upset that their changes FORCE everything else to change. Mandolore is suddenly peaceful so there goes the stuff from Republic Commando. Even Piell died at the Citadel so he's no longer Pavan's master. Except that stuff is still in print and I still paid money for material claiming to be part of the expanded universe and not something with an infinities logo stamped on it. If LFL would be so kind as to reinburse me for those purchases, then I'll happily shut up.

The fact that Obsession is about as valuable as two-ply now only furthers my belief the EU should be split and if they take out Oppo and its not by Sora Bulq's hand, then I do believe I'm done supporting the expanded universe. Even Piell could be a mistake. Sure, we'll go with that. And Eeth Koth returning, that was fine because the only bit on him was always murky.

But killing Adi ticks me off. Not because they killed her, but because of my number one pet peeve about this show: Shoehorning in characters to fit plot instead of letting the plot better define what characters are appropriate. Case in point, this is about tracking down two Zabrack sith. Perhaps a Zabrack Jedi Master would make a better companion. Eeth Koth could easily have filled Adi's role, died and canon wouldn't be so terribly screwed up.

The fact that Adi was essentially reduced to a red shirt in this episode is what bothers me so much. Had there been something unique about her character that required her to be in this episode, then I could accept more EU trampling since Obsession was nearly done for anyway. But there was no evidence here that Adi couldn't have been any other nameless jedi.

 

Good points...

jackg1 TCW is better then CW

 

Don't even try to bait me.

 

Lets keep this discussion on the TCW episode 'Revival' please, thanks.

 

I'm still happy.

 

Will do

 

I'm debating where 'Revival' ranks among the five premieres. As of now, I believe it was #1. Opinions?

 

I agree with that, 'Clone Cadets' and 'ARC Troopers' is a close call however, in no small part because of my bias to the clones and love for Domino Squad.

 

Hmmm, no, I think not.

Holocron Heist/Cargo of Doom > every other premiere

 

As far as I can recall, best #1 kickoff yet.

In this I agree.

 

Agreed, the two are really close to the top.

 

That's fair enough.

'Holocron / Cargo' was always my #1. Right now, for me, 'Revival' has knocked it to #2. However, I must meditate on this... my opinion might sway.

 

He didn't really do a good job of taking on four at once, they literally just stood there as he killed the first two...

yodaminch One of my favorite Star Wars comics stories is Ulic Qel-Droma and the Beast Wars of Onderon. I already know they're messing up the way the beasts look which to me contributes greatly to the aura of the whole thing, especially with the role the beasts play in Onderon's history. That said, I don't think the beasts being totally different in TCW Onderon than Tales of the Jedi Onderon takes away the value of Tales of the Jedi at all. It might annoy me about the TCW episode, but the comic is still great and not at all diminished by it. Why do you feel it ruins the comic for TCW to do it differently? If you like the comic better, you like the comic better, it's not like the comic ceases to exist. Just like the pre-"Special Edition" version of Star Wars.

I have to say it at least ties. I am a HUGE fan of Ambush, and I also think Holocron Heist and Clone Cadets are pretty high quality episodes. It's probably tied with Ambush for me. They both do what they do really well, they just do different things. But at some point probably tomorrow I'm gonna write about Revival and maybe then I'll be able to choose.

 

jackg1 TCW

 

I'm surprised Anakin didn't say anything during the conversation in the Chancellor's office and hoping that Anakin and aul face off against each other with the fighting going to a stale-mate

 

Just ****ing stop. It's completely subjective so don't bring up a debate that's completely off topic.

 

It's because LFL is now TELLING me what I have to accept. Take Even Piell for example. Rather than just say there were two instances or make up some decent retcon, the official explanation is "that part is no longer canon." It's the fact that once a decision like this is made, ALL other avenues are closed down and it is this or nothing. That's why I'd like to see the EU split so that writers and artists can continue to finish their vision rather than be forced to conform to the standards set by the cartoon. Some can do retcons brilliantly and make it work (Luceno) other work simply can't function that way based on the plot (Obsession). Also, I just don't like intentional decisions like this when they know they could have avoided this minefield. It's intentionally provoking a group of fans and they are either too ignorant to know it (which suggests a great failure on the holocron crew's part) or they are too arrogant to care (which suggests no EU work would be safe and the holocron project itself is useless)

And again, I'm upset that they are essentially overwriting the work THEY billed as official and sold under that promise. The fact that they will just do as they please and too bad for the suckers who bought it demonstrates a lack of caring for the work they produce. So, if they aren't going to care, why should I waste my money? How do I know that the next book billed as being part of the official expanded universe won't be overriden? It's not that this doesn't happen. Much of Heir to the Empire's history and dates were invalidated by the films. That's a bit more forgiveable though: Zahn didn't know the full plot details. Lucas didn't even know until he'd finished the script. Here? Much less acceptable when you publish something years earlier, bill it as part of your official story and then YEARS later, decide to overwrite it just because you can.

 

I'm pretty sure this was meant to be humorous and I imagine most of us understood it as such. Maybe it just fell flat for you.

The running is still one of the weaker points (it probably always will be), but it looks nowhere near as bad as the final charge during "Landing at Point Rain" (and hasn't for some time now.) Just a week or two ago, I was watching Gregor run and I noted the more fluid motion to myself.

Yes, Kenobi is central to Maul's plans - but on Maul's terms. Maul explicitly stated that the problem was that it was "too soon," didn't he?

Someone who cannot take a punch is known as a 'glasss jaw.' Someone who keeps getting back up every time and continues the fight, like Obi-Wan Kenobi, is known as having strength.

I recall years ago when MMA was in its televised infancy, I watched a championship bout (out of curiosity, more than anything) between a small fighter and a very large brute. The small man spent the match inflicting leg kicks to the same area of the brute's left knee (to seemingly no effect) until with one final blow, the large man crumbled out from under a busted knee which could no longer support his ample frame. It was somewhat akin to chopping down a tree, I suppose. It's a shame that, in this case, the very things that actually lend a sense of relism to TCW are the same things which are taking you out of the moment. I suppose if you didn't know any better, this may have seemed a wierd choice of attack, but it's backed firmly in reality.

Nobody is perfect (and he has his lapses), but Obi-Wan is a Jedi Master, trained to deal with attachment and loss, fighting for his own life, in the middle of a war where he's already lost any number of friends. If anyone is equipped to put off the remorseful feelings for a better time, it's him, no?

As far as I know, Kenobi has not yet been shown with full sleeves yet (but I may be forgetting some scene here or there). It goes back to full sleeves being more difficult to animate than the less costly wrist armor. It's a real bummer, too, because the Jedi would look a lot cooler with just the the sleeves.

I'm not certain what it is you're getting at here. It's well known that much (though not all) of Palpatine's lines for season five were recorded before Mr. Ambercrombie's passing. It could be I just don't get what you're saying here.

Well of course Palpatine doesn't treat Maul as a threat in front of the Jedi. His intention would have to be to try to throw the Jedi off the scent in order to deal with events in his own manner, wouldn't it?