The Comic Book Draft Episode III: Revenge of the Villains -- Congrats to Shadow_of_Durron!

Despised, you're like the only person who keeps complaining about that.

Thanos would wipe the floor with Nate, he already has done it to the Surfer, (I mean 100% punked) and unless we're talking White Crown Phoenix, he wipes the floor with her too. And Strange is far too unbalancing in teams.

EDIT: Strange eats Onslaught (1st form) for lunch.

 

Not the only, but one of the few.

Question, why does everyone give Strange uber credit and even though Fate is said to be almost as good in all regards (and has proven it by defeating gods), nobody gives him credit at all. He has lost more than a few matches that he probably should not have. IMO either people are giving more credit to Strange than he really deserves, or people are completely ignoring the fact that Fate is almost a match for him.

DI, I think prepared Deathstroke can take She-Hulk. Prepared I think he will be able find something to whoop her arse fast, if he did not have that I would give arguements but IMO there is not much point to it now.

 

Fate isn't really the same. He's not too far off, but he's still Diet Strange. He's got some really awesome power, but not as much as Stevie and without the absolutely insane list of feats.

The "gods" Fate has defeated aren't anywhere near the level of Mephisto or Dormmamu or Shuma Gorath or even Galactus.

 

"Fate isn't really the same. He's not too far off, but he's still Diet Strange. He's got some really awesome power, but not as much as Stevie and without the absolutely insane list of feats."

I agree that he isn't Steven, but by calling him Diet Strange many people don't bother to look further and just give him no credit. I remember when I had him in the first draft, I used prep on him all the time and he still lost, I even trumped him and nothing. He has been severly underrated from the start IMO.

"The "gods" Fate has defeated aren't anywhere near Dormmamu or Shuma Gorath or even Galactus."

Gods are gods, sure some are lesser than others but divine power kind of speaks for itself, and based on that alone there should only be about 4-5 people in this draft that could possibly defeat Fate. Even without his mask it is said that he has physical powers similar to Superman, with his mask he has that plus amazing magical aptitude.

 

And if Juggernaut covered dark seid's eyes or perhaps or blinded him? Its not that clear cut.

 

I agree that he isn't Steven, but by calling him Diet Strange many people don't bother to look further and just give him no credit. I remember when I had him in the first draft, I used prep on him all the time and he still lost, I even trumped him and nothing. He has been severly underrated from the start IMO.

He is what he is, and that's Diet Strange. Seriously, though, he was underrated at first due to a general lack of knowledge, (by just about everyone) but he's come a long way since. Hell, I was the one who pushed his power list status. He does deserve it, and he's defeated an impressive opponent or two thus far in this draft.


Gods are gods, sure some are lesser than others but divine power kind of speaks for itself, and based on that alone there should only be about 4-5 people in this draft that could possibly defeat Fate.

Er, not really. I can think of quite a few more than 5 characters able to stomp him into the dirt. And gods do not always = GODS!111!!1 Sorry, but the ones that Fate has gone up against aren't all that, and lots of characters on the list have taken it to so-called gods in the past. And magic is not the be-all-end-all of offensive power in this draft. Magic can be overcome, and has been overcome, even by those that are supposedly "weak" to it.

Fate = very, very good, but not so much as to be overpowering to the degree where we should even be considering removing him. There have been times when he's been straight-up curbstomped, and I'll wager that some of the characters who have done it aren't on your little elite list of five.

 

Dr. Fate = cool

 

C'mon DI. You know I would have posted that if Despised1 didn't. (thanks D1 btw)

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[quote=Minch]And if Juggernaut covered dark seid's eyes or perhaps or blinded him? Its not that clear cut.[/quote]


Is this before or after the Omega Beams to the face?

[link=http://superherohype.com/forums/showthread.php?t=213645]Darkseid respect thread.[/link]

 

No problem EvilYoda, my pleasure.

"Seriously, though, he was underrated at first due to a general lack of knowledge, (by just about everyone) but he's come a long way since."

That is true, all I had on him back then was wiki and that didn't say much.

"Er, not really. I can think of quite a few more than 5 characters able to stomp him into the dirt. And gods do not always = GODS!111!!1 "

Ok that is true, but one has to admit that a god in DC is usually much more than a god in Marvel. Marvel uses gods and demigods like it is going out of style, and in that realm most people have either faced one or dealt with them, when DC uses them they tend to be taken more seriously and are given more respect.

It dosn't matter much I suppose, Fate is not on my team so I shouldn't care.

"And if Juggernaut covered dark seid's eyes or perhaps or blinded him? Its not that clear cut."

Easier said than done Minch, what is Juggs gonna do cover Darksieds eyes with his hand? As for pulling out his eyes, I would love to see Juggs try that.

 

Venom vs Carnage is a steal for the $9.99 I paid for it last night. Every drawing of the symbiote family is freakin' fantastic.

A whole TPB of this(click it for full size. It's beautiful.):

[image=http://www.spyder-25.com/covers/venom_vs_carnage/venom_carnage_02.jpg]
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A bunch of stuff in that respect thread is from Pre-Crisis Darkseid, though. Massive difference is power levels. That doesn't mean Post-Crisis Darkseid wouldn't beat the stuffing out of Juggs, but...

That is some pretty sweet stuff, BEN.

 

Angela Vs. Jade

The first fight with Angela. Angela is one of the strongest angels (if not the strongest).
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Here, she tries to finish the job, but Spawn uses his powers to overload and manipulate her powers and send her back to Heaven. Otherwise she probably wold've won
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Edit: fixed

 

One thing to remember about Angela is that Spawn was unable to actually kill her until after he had taken out Malebolgia and was given an unlimited power source, if she could hang with Spawn that long and hold her own one would think that Jade would be little trouble.

 

D1, you feel like providing arguments for the Trump-vs-Hulk match, too?

That's the one I'm still really torn on

 

I don't know, that is a badass trump.

I will give my initial thoughts on it I suppose, after all I am doing it for everyone else.

Being prepared I would think that they should have little trouble, sure they are going to have to watch their step and work hard to avoid the Hulkster, but these are 2 of the top minds in the draft and they are prepared. Sinister alone could probably come up with something to temprarily neutralize the Hulk, after all he is a genetics supergenius.

I think I would vote for the trump.

EDIT: Scratch that, I double checked the trump and for some reason Omega Red is in that trump instead of Sinister. Without Sinister I would not vote for that trump, Ras is good and all but without the supergenius of Sinister I don't think he would be able to find a way stop or even slow down the Hulk, even with Omega Red helping out.

My bad, I saw Ra's and assumed it was the same trump combo used before.

 

Its not impossible. I gave a suggestion. And i've already established his invulnerability. it even says protective skin in there somewhere. So darkseid can fillet juggernaut and juggernaut will keep going.

 

Shi'ar Conference

War Machine (forfeit) vs. Lobo

Winner: Lobo

Cassandra Nova Xavier vs. Wonder Woman TRUMPED with Stargirl

Wonder Woman alone would probably be enough to win this.

Winner: Trump

Deathstroke (prepared) vs. She Hulk

Winner: Deathstroke

Nightcrawler vs. Mandarin (prepared)

Were Mandarin not prepared, this might be a good fight. But really, the winner is never in doubt either way.

Winner: Mandarin

Krypton Conference

Angela vs. Jade

yeah, Angela is pretty good.

Winner: Angela

Darkseid vs. Juggernaut

Oh. Emmm. Gee. It's teh Juggernaut. He's instoppable. He amazing. No wan kin tuch hym.

Winner: Darkseid

Professor Hulk vs. Ra's Al Ghul TRUMPED with Omega Red (prepared)

Decent trump. I think Sinister with Red would be a lot better and a lot more potent. I think the question becomes: can Al Ghul come up with a plan to take out Hulk quick enough? I don't think he can. And as soon as Hulk gets his hands on them, this match is over.

Winner: Hulk

Radioactive Man vs. Human Torch

This comes down to one thing: Torch can't really do anything that will hurt RM, RM can do a few things that can hurt Torch.

Winner: RM

 

Shi'ar Conference

War Machine (forfeit) vs. Lobo

Winner: Lobo

Cassandra Nova Xavier vs. Wonder Woman TRUMPED with Stargirl

Yeah, I agree with DI. WW alone could've taken this.

Winner: Trump

Deathstroke (prepared) vs. She Hulk

I think Deathstroke could find something to take out She Hulk quickly.

Winner: Deathstroke

Nightcrawler vs. Mandarin (prepared)

This isn't close with Mandarin prepared.

Winner: Mandarin

Krypton Conference

Angela vs. Jade

Angela could and should beat Jade.

Winner: Angela

Darkseid vs. Juggernaut

As I think about this match I begin to wonder not about who would win this match but what would happen if the Unstoppable Object(Juggernaut) were to meet the Unmoveable Object(The Blob). Who would win that fight? I'm thinking we'd all lose due to PARADOX.

Winner: Darkseid

Professor Hulk vs. Ra's Al Ghul TRUMPED with Omega Red (prepared)

Good trump but, as DI said, the wrong member of the science trump was put with Red. Sinister and Red would've owned this fight completely. Ra's...no.

Winner: Hulk

Radioactive Man vs. Human Torch

Hehehehe...yeah.

Winner: RM

~*!~-~DOCTOR BEAR~-~!*~

 

Moving on then ...

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[hl=green][color=yellow][b]Shi'ar Conference[/b][/color][/hl]

[color=white]Men of Men pt 2(1)[/color] vs. [color=gold]Guardians of the Galaxy(4)[/color]
[color=blue]Bastion of Bloodshed(3)[/color] vs. [color=magenta]Revenge of teh Hotties(2)[/color]
[color=green]Acts of Vengeance(2)[/color] vs. [color=red]Avenger Society X(3)[/color]
[color=orange]Lambing: Tons of Ram(3)[/color] vs. [color=brown]The Peace Frogs(2)[/color]

[hl=blue][color=gold][b]Krypton Conference[/b][/color][/hl]

[color=brown]The Tenacious Ten(4)[/color] vs. [color=green]weezer(1)[/color]
[color=red]Path of the Darkseid(4)[/color] vs. [color=magenta]Minch's Marvelous Marvels(1)[/color]
[color=blue]The Uncanny Short-Friends(3)[/color] vs. [color=white]Poodles Gone Bad(2)[/color]
[color=gold]Fight Club(4)[/color] vs. [color=orange]The Teamsters(1)[/color]

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seven!

[hl=green][color=yellow][b]Shi'ar Conference[/b][/color][/hl]

[color=white]Cyclops[/color] vs. [color=gold]Booster Gold[/color]
[color=blue]Holocaust[/color] vs. [color=magenta]Enchantress[/color]
[color=green]Dr. Polaris[/color] vs. [color=red]Professor X[/color]
[color=orange]Colossus TRUMPED with Storm[/color] vs. [color=brown]Absorbing Man[/color]

[hl=blue][color=gold][b]Krypton Conference[/b][/color][/hl]

[color=brown]Sentinel (Alan Scott)[/color] vs. [color=green]Iceman[/color]
[color=red]Annihilus[/color] vs. [color=magenta]Gladiator (forfeit)[/color]
[color=blue]Wolverine*[/color] vs. [color=white]Despero (forfeit)[/color]
[color=gold]Cable (prepared)[/color] vs. [color=orange]Kid Flash[/color]
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*yes, I know, Wolverine already got called. But, unfortunately, when Axle sent me two trumps and BEN sent me 4, I thought I had made sure that the numbers generated gave me no double forfeits, but I guess I was wrong, Switching out the call of 7,8 for this match is the fairest way, since Wolverine already lost to that trump, and instead, now the Trump wolvie lost to actually beats the Thing (forfeit) and everyone will win as many as they were supposed to. ANy problems with this, too bad. This is my ruling, and it really has no effect.

Oh, and the next time someone sends me four trumps, they are gonna be asked to resubmit or else get simmed.

 

Dr. Polaris vs. Professor X

Xavier is used to fighting the all time best manipulator of magnatism, he knows what this form of attack can do at its peak and he will know how to best counter it. I don't know how good Dr. Polaris is compaired to Magneto, but from what I gather he is weaker and does not wear a telepathy resisting helmet as part of his standard uniform, everything considered I don't see Xavier having much trouble taking down this lesser version of Magneto.

 

Did you just have no one else to prep or what? He needed prep time? WHAT ARE YOU TRYING TO DO TO ME?

 

Sentinel (Alan Scott) vs. Iceman

i love iceman and all...he's one of my fav characters....but...



[image=http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f397/Superbatpoohman/kidownedcar.jpg]

 

That sucks hard. Probably my two most powerful characters hit the forfeit. .

Oh, didn't even see the new matches.

Hmm, this is possibly a good matchup for Booster. He can fly around Cyclops and blast him with his blasters; Cyclop's trick shooting won't help that much since he isn't psychic, plus Booster has some shields. Without any superhuman durability it'll only take a few shots at most to smack Cyclops.

 

I don't know. Were I you, I'd rather have Lobo hit a forfeit than a prepared Reed Richards.

 

Doesn't really matter, either of those two would have pounded that trump into the dirt.