My bad, got behind on some stuff. Doomsday vs. Dr Doom (prepared) I am loathe to give this to Doom because of what I am about to say in another match, but, sure, in this case I think he might take majority. Stryfe vs. Rachel Summers It's definitely interesting, could be dramatic, but I think he's just more powerful. Or if not that, more cunning? Sure. Drax (forfeit) vs. Magik Dex-Starr (forfeit) vs. Thor TRUMPED with Moondragon Juggernaut vs. Iron Man TRUMPED with Rocket Racoon Yeah, all right, so one group flies around forever and the other one sits on Pride Rock forever. Within the very specific confines of this draft, in this instance, with the stipulation that they absolutely must engage, and understanding that they are essentially cut off from what they would typically be able to call upon, Juggernaut eventually wins. "Remove the Juggernaut," says the Yak. "He is unbeatable by way of attrition." Very attractive pick you have there... Cyborg Superman vs. Amadeus Cho (forfeit) Captain Marvel TRUMPED with Angela vs. Nova TRUMPED with Aquaman Actually I wasn't so sure about this because Carol can absorb some of that Nova juice. You know what, yeah, I am switching to them. Angela is at least capable of holding her own against Nova, and with Danvers capable of siphoning him a bit, I think that takes it. "But telepathy" says someone from another universe who has seen Aquaman use his telepathy consistently or practically. Emma Frost vs. Invincible I'll give most telepaths the benefit of the doubt here. Maybe not every time, but enough times. Spider-Man TRUMPED with Human Torch (Prepared) vs. Aquaman (forfeit)
I mean. I once literally got someone to quit the draft because as a judge I had such a low opinion of Aquaman he couldn't take it any more. he might have quit the boards in whole, actually. I'm not saying that's why I'm voting for Angela/Marvel, though. It's because, yeah, Angela is a bit more impressive than Aquaman, and yeah, Carol and Nova are a decent match. Plus, I'm contractually obligated to screw over dp4m at least once per round. So, we'll finish with 7, 10, 4, 9 We Are (Definitely Not) Family (4) vs. Charybdis Revenge (2) Talisman (Prepared) vs. Green Lantern (John Stewart) Supergirl vs. Ronan the Accuser Beta Ray Bill vs. The Plutonian Black Adam vs. Captain Marvel (Billy Batson) The Yak's Inferno, Presented by the Daily Bugle (2) vs. Hundred Acre Woods Most Wanted (4) Magneto vs. Rocket Racoon (Forfeit, probably eaten by Scar) Apocalypse vs. Cable (forfeit) Atrocitus (prepared) vs. Martian Manhnter (prepared) The Shark (prepared) vs. Moondragon (forfeit) 108 Years to Get Harry Carayed Away (3) vs. dp4m's Secret Team to fight Inflation (3) Human Torch (forfeit) vs. Gladiator TRUMPED with Professor X Power Girl vs. Professor X (forfeit) Angela (forfeit) vs. Wonder Woman Namor vs. Reed Richards (Double Prepared)
Leans We Are (Definitely Not) Family (4) vs. Charybdis Revenge (2) Talisman (Prepared) vs. Green Lantern (John Stewart): I'd really like something on this, seems like a good fight. Supergirl vs. Ronan the Accuser Beta Ray Bill vs. The Plutonian Black Adam vs. Captain Marvel (Billy Batson) The Yak's Inferno, Presented by the Daily Bugle (2) vs. Hundred Acre Woods Most Wanted (4) Magneto vs. Rocket Racoon (Forfeit, probably eaten by Scar) Apocalypse vs. Cable (forfeit) Atrocitus (prepared) vs. Martian Manhnter (prepared): Dang, love the way this one looks. Not sure where I am leaning at this point, going to try and get a better grip on their preps. The Shark (prepared) vs. Moondragon (forfeit) 108 Years to Get Harry Carayed Away (3) vs. dp4m's Secret Team to fight Inflation (3) Human Torch (forfeit) vs. Gladiator TRUMPED with Professor X Power Girl vs. Professor X (forfeit) Angela (forfeit) vs. Wonder Woman Namor vs. Reed Richards (Double Prepared): Voting against Namor makes me sad.
Little stevie good round chief, well played. Had I been a judge, the green mail would have swung it for me.
Can a Lantern ring defend against the kind of magic Talisman can generate with prep? I am highly doubtful without some sort of really impressive feats. Is Ronan going to beat Kara physically? I understand he's powerful, but nothing I've ever seen on him demonstrates that he a) has the speed to keep up with a Kryptonian; or b) can physically overpower her. Adam and Marvel are close to equals, but Adam does not fight fair/hold anything back, which gives him the advantage. Considering the familiarity, he's more likely to knock Billy out quickly than wish to engage in a drawn out fight. Given that he is stronger, he should be able to do so.
Healed by fire blood. Considering he uses blood magic as well and has 24 hrs prep, probably bad for J'Onn. TP probably won't work. THis is Apollo, MM and some other person vs Atrocitus. Go ahead, ask how they do (Hint: Half the fight or more is on the respect thread. Google Atrocitus vs Martian Manhunter for guys who have read it describing it. Stormwatch didn't really want to fight, but also Atro wasn't at full power). Don't know what MM's prep really brings to the table. Atro has blood magic and a ring (both capable of using fire, creating red flamethrower, whatever), as well as the inventiveness to create magical and certainly fire weapons of very little. Honestly just like in that fight, he doesn't need to use the weakness. He's physically superior and ferocious, able to fight GLs like Sinestro ringless. But it's there. MM is pretty much limited to a physical fight, which he can't win. Shame. Good powerset but he doesn't get it done.
I don't think it's relevant to this battle, but apparently he can merge with technology now. This is Martian Mech-Hunter I guess. FYI, am leaning Atro at this point. Reviewed MM in the Nu52 and not really seeing the high end needed to take down Atro.
I'm not that fussed as I'll still win 6-4, but seriously with Aquaman -- he's TP and Magic now in Nu52. Not just the old Aquaman. Spoiler: Aquaman Telepathy That's him telepathically controlling a GL ring... Overcoming a White Martian with telepathy Probing Martian Manhunter without permission (as noted) Spoiler: Aquaman Magic / Elemental Control His trident controls water, air, lightning, rain -- and can freeze people like so. Lightning More lightning and description of the power. Magic trident piercing Darkseid Injuring Graves (apparently Superman could not). Just saying, he's got more skills now than this...
Votes. We Are (Definitely Not) Family (4) vs. Charybdis Revenge (2) Talisman (Prepared) vs. Green Lantern (John Stewart). So on this one, I agree with heels. Not sure how Stewart overcomes magic of that level, Talisman is solid with prep and here as GL can't seem to counter her the magic she uses can counter him. I'll give it to her. Supergirl vs. Ronan the Accuser Beta Ray Bill vs. The Plutonian Black Adam vs. Captain Marvel (Billy Batson) Heels is also right on this one, without the Shazam power Marvel and Adam are essentially equals except that Adam is far more experienced and ruthless. The Yak's Inferno, Presented by the Daily Bugle (2) vs. Hundred Acre Woods Most Wanted (4) Magneto vs. Rocket Racoon (Forfeit, probably eaten by Scar) Apocalypse vs. Cable (forfeit) Atrocitus (prepared) vs. Martian Manhnter (prepared) The Shark (prepared) vs. Moondragon (forfeit) 108 Years to Get Harry Carayed Away (3) vs. dp4m's Secret Team to fight Inflation (3) Human Torch (forfeit) vs. Gladiator TRUMPED with Professor X Power Girl vs. Professor X (forfeit) Angela (forfeit) vs. Wonder Woman Namor vs. Reed Richards (Double Prep)
Mikaboshi sorry dude, I hadn't made my arguments. The Atro MM fight isn't quite as it seems. All MM was trying to do in that fight was telepathically inform Atro of something. He wasn't trying to kick his ass.
I'm always open to changing my vote, happy to review arguments as they are posted and reevaluate as needed.
Ok, so the previous meet between Atro and MM was not entirely what it seems. It's from Death of the Red Lanterns vol.2. In this story MM was trying to get into Atro's head to make Atrocitius see reason that Stormwatch weren't the people he was after as opposed to just straight up beating him down. The reason they came together is that Skallox's ring had led Atrocitius to Stormwatch's base. MM was repelled by the level of rage in Atro's mind, and suffered walking nightmares for weeks after, but TP was pretty much the extent of MM's engagement here (apart from MM getting one shotted while reeling from said TP). MM is so much more than telepathy though, it's just he was never going to use any of his other powers in this showing. In a straight one on one fight, with both fighters going full on at each other, with all their abilities, are we really saying that MM does not have the strength, speed, or overall higher end feats to not win this more often than not? As in MM's match with the Human Torch, we've established earlier in this draft game that the current version of MM no longer has a weakness to fire, so Yak's argument here doesn't hold up. Also, as the two have previous, and MM has prep, I believe this is also to MM's advantage - if anything Atro will underestimate him. I'll leave you with a scan of Guy Gardiner giving Atro a pretty comprehensive beat down. If we were arguing a fight between GG and MM, it would probably be a MM win every time. Spoiler