The (Current) Generation Trilogy: Wii, PS3 & XBox 360 (Console Comparison & Discussion)

No. You see, unless it's on a Nintendo console then obviously the game sucks.

 

Yeah, we are getting a bit fanboyish, huh?

>>But then again my NES works like a charm too. I must have killer or either that or I treat my consoles like gold. <<

Maybe. But you have to remember that the NES is a cartridge-based system, so it has fewer moving parts (I think) than the modern CD-based consoles.

 

I think the point that they were trying to make (which should be obvious to everyone) is about the sheer number of crappy PS2 games. The hundreds of games that barely make it into the "rent it" category. For every killer app. that the PS2 had, there were about 50 games that were unplayable.

 

Agreed. Most PS2 games are generic FPS/RPG/Racing game of the week.

 

For every killer app. that the PS2 had, there were about 50 games that were unplayable.

Well, the same was true for the NES, SNES, and Genesis.
When a system is popular and has major 3rd party support, there comes a case of just throwing cheap crap against the wall so that even if one copy sells, you still make a profit.
But that shouldn't negate the games that obviously had a lot of love put into them.

Generic Game 8371 shouldn't discount SMB3 for example.

 

I wasn't implying that the same hasn't been true with other systems. All I was saying is that the "quality over quantity" is utter bull when talking about the PS2.

 

But you have to admit that it's pretty darn ridiculous how much of the mediocre, and well... just plain BAD came out for the PS2. Even most of the so-so games for the older systems were still playable. Meanwhile there are some just plain terrible games for PS2 (and PS1 for good measure). I mean when you actually see a list of games for the Sony consoles and how many of them just straight out sucked, it's really staggering.

I was just looking over a list of the complete libraries of PS2 and the SNES. And honestly the SNES had more games that I am fond of still than games that were bad/mediocre. Yet going over the PS2 I just see loads and loads of these just awful games. Like any developer with $5 was allowed to make a game!

Now don't get me wrong, I love my PS1/2. But I'll be the first one to admit they release a lot crap with a few gems to stand up against it. That 1/50 ratio sounds about right.

 

Totally agree T2Q. I made a comment in the past about how the advent of 3-D gaming has generally been a bad thing so far. I think the games are finally coming into their own, but still.

 

I think the PS2, Xbo9x, and Gamecube all had alot of mediocre or really bad games. The PS2 is not just exclusive here will the other two think they are untouchable. Picking on the PS2's game library without mentioning that bombs did also occur just a requently on Xbox and Gamecube.

 

I think the arguement has been, and will always be, the use of franchises.

People who don't like Nintendo see one thing.

"Oh man, another Mario Game... it's gonna suck! Kidtendo!"

Well, Nintendo is a company that makes consoles and games, and that's it. Of course they are going to use franchise characters. Let's take a look at Sony for a sec though.

Games that SONY THEMSELVES ACTUALLY MADE, or at least produced.

God of War. awesome game, with a sequel coming out.
Sly Cooper: 3 games now, or is it 4?
Jak & Daxter: 3 main games, two spin-offs
Ratchet and Clank: Are they up to game 5 yet?
several others I can't remember.


BTW, the 4 franchises I mentioned are just PS2 franchises, none of the games were PS1.

oh and GTA, Rockstar's bread and butter. since GTA III, they have 5 games I think? All pretty much the same?

and Sony fans complain that Nintendo uses Mario and Zelda. Well guess what, Sony uses franchises too, they just don't have one that's been around 2 decades and still going strong.

 

Every comapny uses franchises. It's a staple of selling the system...

Nintendo has Mario, Zelda, and Metroid.

Sony has God of War, Jak, Ratchet, Metal Gear Solid, GTA, and Gran Turismo.

Xbox has Halo, KOTOR.

 

I dunno about KOTOR, it's also on PC.

 

So is Halo.

 

Oh yeah.

Okay then. Nice try, Xbox.

 

They are exclusive to Xbox as far as systems go...it's the only CONSOLE that you can play those games on.

Yet to me it seems more like a more portable PC....with a console skin.

 

Wasn't Fable an Xbox exclusive/franchise beginner since there is a sequel coming out for it?

I guess everyone made their point about Sony, being cheap bastards or what-have-you. For every 1 good PS2 game, there are 50 games that are pure crap. I can understand that.

I guess the big thing is franchises which as far as I'm concerned, Sony and Nintendo are the only ones that have them. Halo could be one for Microsoft, but I keep thinking it should be Fable. Unless I'm missing something.

 

Hmmmmmmm...But there is only one Fable game so far if I'm correct. One game does make it a franchise. It's an exclusive but Fable 2 isn't even out yet.

Oh yea I forgot to mention Final Fantasy for an PS2 exclusive. And I know some might argue that 11 came out on xbox as well. But the past few have all appeared on the PS2 and not any other system.

 

The difference being Skye, is that with Nintendos lack of third parties your selection is pretty limited. Making the franchises all the more noticeable and harder to avoid. And the whole "Games should be simple" mantra is turning people off (hence t3h kiddy, t3h matuR3 argument). Some people need some depth with their games. Where is Nin's solution for those who want to play a race sim like GT or Forza instead of kart racing or their answer to "Oblivion"?

 

FF 1-6 was on the NES/SNES.

FF Tactics Advance: GBA

FF Crystal Chronicles: GCN (admittedly not that good)

FF 11: PC and XBX

Final Fantasy is not just PS2. Admittedly the Playstation line was the best system for the franchise to go 3D with the CD based system. Now, however... well, when SOny has enough money to buy off Square Enix, thouygh Square is making games for the other systems now.

You know, I always wonder, how would Sony and Microsoft fare against Nintendo if their gaming divisions were separate companies and not supported by the megacorporations. Nintendo works alone and still makes profit. Sony and Microsoft's gaming divisions are both money losers, only backed up by the rest of the corporation. If Sony Computer Entertainment and Microsoft gaming studios were solo operations... Nintendo would grind them into dust.

 

Ya, ya but besides all the spin offs, tactics, and online play.

The PS2 was the console to own this gen if you wanted the "adventure" heart and soul Final Fantasy games. Mostly I'm referring to FFX, but you have to admit....
It's the best out of the newest batch of FF games this gen.

Although I like nintendo. Most gamers see them as the losers this gen...Regardless of how much Sony or M$ lost, they view the Gamecube and Nintendo as a dissapointment. And I must say that this gen if I had to pick a machine to go with I'm say PS2 was the best. Gamecube had some killer games, but PS2 just was the most successful machine IMHO.

Maybe Nintendo should make other things than consoles and video games then??? Not sure what that would do for them, but they would have a bigger pot of money to use I suppose.

Gaming politics are all messed up nowadays.

 

But now their all getting ported to the DS. And Fable is on the PC as well.

Ninja Gaiden is a X-box exclusive.

 

Are we talking exclusives or franchises though???

Fable is an Xbox exclusive *in terms of that it is the only home console you can play it on* I needed to clear that up.

 

Square is dead to me. I was a big Square fan untill FFVIII came out. Hell I even loved Brave Fencer Mushiden. But FFVIII turned my love for Square into pure hatred. The only Square games I could ever be interested in is a real sequel to FF Tactics, not that watered down FFT Advanced junk. Or another Bushido Blade game. Other then that Square can rot for all I care along with their emo hemprahdite, cgi characters.

 

You didn't like Final Fantasy 8!?

I love that game...

Still yet to beat it though...stuck somewhere on disc 4 if I remember correctly.