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The (Current) Generation Trilogy: Wii, PS3 & XBox 360 (Console Comparison & Discussion)

Discussion in 'Archive: Games' started by The2ndQuest , May 12, 2005.

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  1. darth_boy

    darth_boy Jedi Grand Master star 7

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    lol no its more like you being so strongly against the Wii!

    Im totally in love with my 360. Id be defending that too, if you were saying pointless negative stuff about it too.
     
  2. Master_EdgeCrusher

    Master_EdgeCrusher Jedi Knight star 3

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    can you truly show me why I should get a wii or a PS3?
    I do not bring out negative. If there is a problem to the console in which I think which brings out qualities that I think are not repitable, then what should I say or do? ok I will just let it be then. That says nothing against the credability of a person.

    OK here is why I am buzzing on the 360. Not only will there be a HD DVD drive for sale in Nov., but there will be an update in Nov that will allow all movies to go from 480i to 720-1080i,and eventually p. To me that is intense. I am not ready to go out and repurchase my vast dvd clloection for HD DVDs. I will soon, but I will take my time. The only sad notion is seeing Oblivion also running on the PS3, but that also means that thy will have to write it completely different being that Oblivion wa made only for ATI. But that is my real reason!
     
  3. Uncle_Owen_Kenobi

    Uncle_Owen_Kenobi Jedi Youngling star 3

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    So you're fanatical over the 360 because of a HD Drive add-on. Which I might add, brings nothing to your gaming experiance. And your sad that PS3 gamers who haven't had the oppurtunity to play Oblivion will be getting it 8 months after PC and 360 owners already beat it? M'ok then........
     
  4. MarcusP2

    MarcusP2 Manager Emeritus star 6 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    So you're fanatical over the 360 because of a HD Drive add-on.
    Not to mention that the PS3 Blu-Ray has more studio support anyway.

    The only sad notion is seeing Oblivion also running on the PS3, but that also means that thy will have to write it completely different being that Oblivion wa made only for ATI.

    ah, what? I'm pretty sure that Oblivion was quite capable of running on nVidia cards.
     
  5. Sn4tcH

    Sn4tcH Jedi Master star 4

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    Here's the thing though. YOU have decided that the Xbox 360 is the best system of this generation.

    Do you realize it is the ONLY system in this generation at this point?

    It is stupid to argue that the Xbox 360 is the best system when there is nothing to compare it to right now. As well as it is stupid to argue for the PS3 and Wii.

    My point is, nobody knows what the best system is. By next year anything could happen, and amazing games that you want may come out for Wii. Do NOT set yourself up to eat crow in case of this.

    It is idiotic to be a fanboy at a time when there is only one system to be a fan of! At least as far as consoles go.

    Wii: Inovative. Probably the best system for anyone with a social life. Zelda. All the other Nintendo symbols. Strong third party support.

    PS3: Most powerful console. Blu-Ray. Metal Gear Solid 4.

    As it's been said, more companies are making Blu-Rays than HD-DVD. In other words you won't have to worry about re-purchasing your DVD collection, because they will never be MADE. But if you had a PS3...

    Oblivion was made for PC. PCs use nVidia and ATI. Which means, Oblivion works on nVidia and ATI. You're wrong.
     
  6. darth_boy

    darth_boy Jedi Grand Master star 7

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    Go read pages 2,3 and 4 of the DS thread.
    People self-owned themselves in that thread, writing the console off as Virtual Boy 2 and how Nintendo will bankrupt itself because of it...And now look what happened.
    Ive been winding those users up now, dont become them :p
     
  7. Drew_Atreides

    Drew_Atreides Jedi Grand Master star 5

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    Wii: Inovative. Probably the best system for anyone with a social life.

    Yeah, if you live in Japan? Sure.

    In North America? I'm not sure that you'll see many people with "social lives' waving around the Wiimote....

    Though i'm gonna have to remember to try "Wanna play with my Wiimote?" as a pickup line...

     
  8. Sol_Jedi

    Sol_Jedi LA Chapter Rep star 4

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    Even if it does have more studio support, look what happend to the UMD. I swear my coworkers who have a PSP, were like,when I told them about my DS,"What does the DS do?"-It's soley a gaming portable. I don't need a movie player with crappy battery life, and if I want an mp3 player, I'll get one of my choosing." "Well my PSP plays movies, can yours do that?"-I don't need a movie player on my gaming system. If want to watch a movie, I'll do it at home where I don't have to worry about paying attention to anyone or anything else.When I want to play video games, I'll play my DS!"

    I've noticed how all commercials for new DVD releases don't say they're on UMD anymore. It was the flavor of the month, but poor sales, and lack of support there after made it fail.
     
  9. Sn4tcH

    Sn4tcH Jedi Master star 4

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    I'm just looking at it in the same way I used my Gamecube. That was the system my friends came over to play. Not Xbox, not PS2, my Super Smash Bro... er... Gamecube! :D

    Anyways, the Wii looks even better as far as party games go. And I have my basement set up as an arcade of sorts. A couple tables to set up PCs and hook up to my Cable Internet and have LAN parties. A TV with all my systems hooked up to it, and a couple futons, some beanbag chairs, pool table... You get the point, I'm proud of what I've done with the basement. Needless to say, if there's a party, (at least for my geeky friends) it happens at my house.

    That's why I say social life. Because after a good night out, we usually come back to my house, and play video games till we crash on the futons and such.

    Fair enough. But there's a big difference between a type of software that ONLY worked on the "other" handheld, and something that will actually have players made for it. You can't buy a UMD player, but you can buy a Blu-Ray player.
     
  10. quad_gun_jinn

    quad_gun_jinn Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    can you truly show me why I should get a wii or a PS3?


    Uhhhh cos it's... fun

    What more of a reason do you need? It's really great to have pretty looking games. When you first plug them in its amazing to watch, but honestly I neither notice the graphics on The Wind Waker or Fable anymore. Two completely diffrent graphic styles on similiar style of gameplay that fade away when you get involved with actually playing the game. I'm a musician myself so I tend to appreciate a lot of music no matter where it comes from. But the music and sound in a game add less to the experience than they do in a movie. While i do wish that the Wii'd have surround, it isn't a reason to totally disregard it even before you look at it nevermind play it.
     
  11. darth-sinister

    darth-sinister Manager Emeritus star 10 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    I agree that right now, Nintendo and Sony have yet to start in this generation's market. Things can change in rapid order within 12-18 months. We'll know for sure once all three are out and how well sales are. As well as professional and personal reviews. I give Nintendo props for going with family fun rather than having all the bells & whistles. Sure, it looks suicidal. But it might work out better than anyone is expecting. PS3 issues aside, it has the potential to be their best effort yet. 360 has come a ways since the original X-Box launched. Microsoft has learned a lot in the last few years.

    As to sound, I'm not saying that loving sound and having the best sound quality isn't important. I'm just saying that it's as much about sound as it is about graphics and replay value. Wii is taking a risk, but again, they're looking at areas that they once cared solely about, but have slacked on over the years. All in order to play with the big boys. Now they've refocused their vision. When I first got my NES in 1990, my family played with me. It was quite nice, just like with the Atari 2600 before it. Nintendo and Sega continued to make good games and strong systems, but it then became about improving their hardware and software, while unintentionally neglecting the family fun factor. Nowadays it's all either young kids playing by themselves or hardcore gammers in college, playing. Sometimes with friends and sometimes by themselves. The companies are luring you in with all the bells & whistles, but they target mostly us. The hardcore. Try getting your parents to play Splinter Cell or Metal Gear. Not easy. Some of them are still used to Artari, Coleco (sp) and the early days of the NES. Look at the controllers. All kinds of good stuff, but some parents aren't going to understand what they're doing. Wiimote might very well make things simple once again. And allow a new way to play games. Easy for adults and children. Strong selling point there. Look at The2ndQuest. He's got a plan for the holidays. One that sounds fairly reasonable. One that might work well.


    As to price, $250 seems to be a cop-out or a crap price, but think about it. Look at what you get. The last two times Nintendo produced their consoles, all you got was a barebones package. Controller, deck and a few asscessories. With this, you get two controllers and a game, along with the usual items. Sure the graphics aren't as powerful looking. But Nintendo, as with the others, have always made their consoles so that they could push them to the limits of what they're capable of. Sure, it might not ever get to PS or 360 levels, but it might be very sufficent. If Wii sells well enough, next generation they'll improve the graphics as well as create something that matches or improves upon the Wiimote.

    Sorry again for being all over the place.

    Also, there is nothing wrong if one wishes to be a fanboy to one system. Sure, there's more out there than one system has to offer. But not everyone wants what is out there. I've only ever looked at other consoles outside of Nintendo, because certain games were only available there. Mostly ones that would've normally been on Nintendo, but due to past decisions and changes to the exclusive contract status, this has no longer been the case. If not for Final Fantasy and Castlevania, I would never really entertain the notion of having a PS. This isn't as slight against Sony, but it's just how I feel.
     
  12. The2ndQuest

    The2ndQuest Tri-Mod With a Mouth star 10 Staff Member Manager

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    oo- I'm an example. O:)

    ;)


    I think his point is more to the effect that Nintendo consoles tend to appeal to party games and "in person" multiplayer titles, as opposed to the more solitude-esque conditions of online multiplayer.
     
  13. Master_EdgeCrusher

    Master_EdgeCrusher Jedi Knight star 3

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    thanks Darth for backing me up a bit! To all who want their owbn sytems have at it! Play have fun enjoy it at party times!
     
  14. Violent Violet Menace

    Violent Violet Menace Manager Emeritus star 5 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    Generous is a strong word. What I should have said from the beginning is consumer-minded, but I couldn't find the proper word so I used 'generous'. And I'm still not convinced that I'm wrong about that. Sure, they're profit minded. They're in it to make money, but everyone doing business are. I think you're taking the whole PS2s breaking thing out of proportion. If so many consoles really broke as you make it out to be, there would be a little something called word of mouth that would get in the way of another little something called sales and profit. Not to mention the costs of having to fix the errors because of warranty.

    What do I mean by consumer-minded you say? Including added features to a console is consumer-minded. You know why? Because it might be that you will never ever feel the need to use the Wii news channel and weather service, but are you gonna get pissed at Nintendo for including it? No, of course not! Are you pissed at Nintendo for packing the DS with a little something called Picto-Chat? No, why would you be? It's consumer minded. Including other stuff that's not supposed to be there is nice. I like that. Many people do.

    You're probably wondering what the hell my point is with all of this. By this point I really don't know. Take it for what you will.

    And about me moaning: If I didn't like Nintendo I wouldn't be moaning half as much. That probably makes no sense, but then again few things in life do.
     
  15. clonetrooper1

    clonetrooper1 Jedi Padawan star 4

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    all though now i've preorederd a wii after seeing a few game traillers for 360 i've been given a voilent shunt into the xbox 360 section. (if you get me?)
     
  16. darth_boy

    darth_boy Jedi Grand Master star 7

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    Anyone who does like Nintendo isnt moaning because they dont care about nonsense such as that. All they care about are the games.
    Im sorrybut half the stuff you want is unimportant and irelevant to gameplay.

    Im not upset that my Wii wont come with a free chocolate maker on the side.
     
  17. The2ndQuest

    The2ndQuest Tri-Mod With a Mouth star 10 Staff Member Manager

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    Well, i also think people looking to get a Wii don't mind the graphics and sound quality because, well, they WILL still be quite good and, in the case of graphics, an improvement over the current gen systems. I mean- just look what kind of results we've gotten out of the GCN and XB this generation- heck, even the PS2 has had some decent accomplishments in the past year or so. And now they go past that. In other words, having good graphics is covered, so that (mostly) leaves the gameplay to focus on.


    >>If so many consoles really broke as you make it out to be, there would be a little something called word of mouth that would get in the way of another little something called sales and profit. Not to mention the costs of having to fix the errors because of warranty.<<

    The "word of mouth" is most people have had to buy at least a second PS2 due to the system breaking down. I have several friends who are on their 3rd or 4th PS2s due to the hardware failures the console is prone to. People actually tell me quite often how lucky I am that my used PS2 I got a few years ago still works fine.

    Also, usually warranties only cover a brief period of time, and generaly no longer than a year.

    As to why that doesn't affect sales? Well, let's face it- after GTA3 came out, half the world had a PS2. And once you have a system and several games for it and it breaks down, you're most likely just going to get a replacement for the system, instead of swapping out all your games in addition to the hardware. And as that keeps PS2 as the dominant console, new customers will continue to buy te most popular console.
     
  18. MarcusP2

    MarcusP2 Manager Emeritus star 6 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    I've had my PS2 with brick dust showering on it for 5 years and without a problem. Knocked it over while running, used it standing and horizontal, etc. Same with a friend of mine (minus the brick dust, except he's had his for longer.) I only know one guy that's had to replace his, and that's once after 5 years. I really don't know that it's as widespread as people made out.

    Nobody seems to get on MS's case about it but they've hardly been free of their own troubles.
    http://blogs.mercurynews.com/aei/2006/09/microsoft_dismi.html
     
  19. Soontir-Fel

    Soontir-Fel Force Ghost star 5

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    I hate my boxes Thompson drive. Fracker barely works sometimes.
     
  20. Sn4tcH

    Sn4tcH Jedi Master star 4

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    Just so you know, most people know the PS2 broke down a lot when they came out. I am on my third PS2, and am about to get to the point where I need a 4th. Meanwhile my same NES that I've had since I was 5 works fine, but that's a different matter. So word of mouth does get around that the PS2s are defective, but what does it matter to someone who already has a PS2? I already had a library of about 10 games by the time my first one broke down, and I'm not going to sit back and let that investment collect dust, right?

    Second off, Sony took no responsibility for the consoles breaking the first couple years. They kept saying it was our faults (and I say our, because 2 of my friends PS2s also broke, along with my Uncles). So they wouldn't fix them. Only a couple years later (when all the defective PS2s were off the market, and our waranties were up) did they decide, "Oops! Maybe it is our fault!?"

    The fact that I have to buy a 4th PS2 is actually a large reason why I would never by a system at launch unless it was made by Ninetendo. It's the reason I still don't have an Xbox 360, and one big reason why I haven't even given the PS3 a second thought. Sony makes crappy systems (from a hardware standpoint). They use cheap parts so they bring down costs. I am proof, my friends are proof, my uncle is proof. That is word of mouth.
     
  21. Jaden-Skywalker

    Jaden-Skywalker Jedi Grand Master star 5

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    Damn the PS3! Damn it to hell! I want MGS4!!
     
  22. Master_EdgeCrusher

    Master_EdgeCrusher Jedi Knight star 3

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    all NES did was make a system that was not complicated, and atleast made a new joystick, not like Sony sixaxis which to me looks just like their origional paddle. Trust me I do admire Nintendo and am happy for them also. I just need more....more power......rgggg
     
  23. Violent Violet Menace

    Violent Violet Menace Manager Emeritus star 5 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    I stand corrected. I won't go on dragging this out forever when it's obvious that I've lost this discussion. I'm man enough to admit when I'm being stupid. I had no idea there were so many defective PS2s. I mean I knew there some, but to the extent where people in here have stories about friends being on their 5th ones, themselves being on their 3rd ones and such? That I never would have thought. I must say my impression has changed after reading this.
     
  24. darth_boy

    darth_boy Jedi Grand Master star 7

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    Mine was also showing signs of failing, like random restarts and cd tray not opening...so i sold it on ebay
     
  25. Drew_Atreides

    Drew_Atreides Jedi Grand Master star 5

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    Yes, that's the lesson i learned with the PS2 launch, as well. NEVER buy a system at launch. Ever.

    The only thing i break down for is the newest Nintendo portable. Those i must get on launch day, but those ALSO are still running on cartridges, which are a heckuvalot more reliable then the cd/dvd systems.
     
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