Solo The Darth Maul Cameo

I know that Thrawn wasn't dead this time as most people do know. The thing is that he wouldn't have appeared in Rebels without being that popular. That's what I meant with revived. And Mauls has damn the very same right while he even showed up in Rebels on screen before starring in SOLO roughly ten years earlier up the timeline!

 

True, but that was also a problem because really that was the ONLY reason Thawn was in Rebels, the story didn't need him like the Thrawn trilogy does.

Can you re-word that, it doesn't make sense, so I don't know what you are trying to say.

 

I just wanted to make another comparison between Thrawn and Maul. Thrawn died in "The Last Command" 9 ABY and was revived in "Rebels" roughly ten years ago in timeline in 1 BBY. Maul did die at 1BBY in "Rebels" and was revived roughly ten years ago in timeline in SOLO.

 

That's an odd comparison. You don't say a character has been "revived" when you just go back in time to a period when the character was still alive. So Maul was not revived to be in Solo:ASWS. He was revived to be in The Clone Wars. He was thought to be dead after The Phantom Menace and then he was brought back in a time AFTER his apparent death. He was resurrected by TCW (and by the non-legends infinates "what if" comic that did it first.)

Thrawn wasn't revived in Rebels because he wasn't dead in canon. He wasn't anything yet. Thrawn was reintroduced into canon, the character was repurposed by Rebels.

 

The more connection between different movies, series, and other media the better. Saw in Rogue One was awesome. I'm up for a Wilford Brimley cameo anytime. If Ahsoka Tano appeared in Episode IX, the theater roof would come off.

 

There is nothing wrong with that. But it would be important that the movie assumed that viewers knew nothing about her.

 

I think the more emaciated "Rebels" Maul would have looked better and more menacing, though. Maul in Solo kinds looks like an aged Axyl Rose.

 

No, he does not.

 

The Maul cameos in the novelization:

 

I never thought Lucasfilm would Bring Maul back into the films. i just thought it would be extremely confusing for people... but they clearly saif **** it and threw him in there, and from what i can tell it did confuse alot of people.

It sounds to me like one of the Kasdan's really wanted to bring Maul back into the live action stuff and they used this cameo role to do it. i suppose it would have been tricky to do it any other way, and plus you don't wanna have to feel like you are giving out exposition to the audience thats either too heavy or perhaps doesn't sound particularly realistic within the dialogue.

They probably will need to follow Mauls appearance up with some kind of follow up now that you have opened that door.

 

Any audience that doesn't watch the Clone Wars or Rebels is going to be confused as hell by all of these Easter Eggs, because they mean diddly to people who only like the movies. There almost needs to be a short cut film of sorts, like how anime movies based on tv series do, where they truncate the most important bits of the show to fill the audience in before launching into the new story proper, so that anyone who hasn't watched or caught up in a while isn't left in the dark by what they just saw.

 

Ron Howard(and Howard's son ) and Jon Kasdan all focused on bringing Maul back during development apparently once Howard was involved. In the original script and perhaps pre-production(or early production)movie prior to Ron Howard's involvement they had some old man called The Kazier(sounds like a play on Kaiser German word for Caesar that meant Emperor and probably in turn Arabic or Turkish spelling variants but was used for Usual Suspects as the character Keyser Söze ) - who was an evil version of a Hume Cronyn-looking guy with a tech key for a hand that was the big reveal leader of the Crimson Dawn but that didnt work.

https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/The_Kazier



So regardless, its a good thing they brought Maul back as a tease, as its one of the saving graces of the film imo. And they tied him nicely with the name Crimson Dawn, Teras Kasi, Dryden's Sith occult memorabilia, being the Keyser Söze character and even some of the Lovecrafian-like elements of the film and kept the canon between animation and film as Maul is very demonic and sinister but has a Hellboy charm.

 

I think they had scrapped the Boba Fett movie, but if they had gone on with it, I could easily see the plot using him to take down Crimson Dawn. The aftermath of the film would lead Maul to basically being in exile, until he's discovered in Rebels.

 

I hope we find out what happens with Qi'ra and Enfys Nest.

 

I think we will. i think now they opened that door people will kinda expect some pay off to it.

Although personally i'm kinda expecting a Qi'ra streaming show at this point.

 

I thought Maul's inclusion was great, especially when you consider the alternative which would probably be another new character. It worked regarding time lines and Maul's previous escapades as a crimelord and may have further repercussions on future stories that we can't yet comprehend.

My only issue was how muscular/beefed up Ray Park looked in comparison to the 'Old Master' Maul that Ezra comes across in Rebels. Still, it's a minor gripe and nothing serious enough to spoil my enjoyment.

 

Maul's crime lord time was ended in TCW when he was defeated by Darth Sidious. In my opinion he shouldn't have been put back into that role with a new syndicate. This would have been the perfect opportunity to build Black Sun back up with Prince Xizor being introduced. They could then have set up a rivalry between him and Vader fighting for the Emperor's attention.

(I will always be so disappointed with TCW Maul vs Black Sun. What kind of criminal organisation lets two dangerous and armed outsiders to walk into a room full of the heads of the business. Darth Maul's attack on black sun in the 2000 Darth Maul comic was so much better, actually having to fight though all their defences, killing Vigos one by one and final coming up against lord Garyn and his bodyguard, nightsister Mighella.)

 

There are plenty of pertinent questions to be asked and despite knowing how it all ends for Maul there's still a lot of mystery surrounding parts of his life, I'm looking forward to seeing how the story group manage to sew together the Maul we saw in TCW, Rebels, Marvel's new canon comics and Solo.

 

That is true. I meant to reply to your comment here but forgot.

There is a lot of time between SOLO and Rebels, time for many stories (although I think he should have been stranded on Malachor for a number of years to have become weakened.

I don't want Maul to take storylines that would be better suited to new characters or reintroduced one's from legends though.

 

Remember the intro voice over from "Shades of Reason":


"...the fate of 2,000 other neutral systems is under threat as Darth Maul moves closer to establishing a vast criminal empire."




Maul never lost his base since he was deliberately building up his own army and base of operations, as that was his true goal. Death Watch just happened to rescue him and he quickly usurped Vizsla's goal of taking over Mandalore for himself, since he came up with the plan and secured other allies to use as he wished. Maul built up assets to undermine and challenge Sidious and his Republic and Separatists forces plus the Jedi. Maul had lots of plans and plans within plans . Sith Lords need patience, resources and armies to challenge numerically and economically superior foes whom are entreched - that was a lesson in Age of the Republic: Darth Maul that Sdious instructed Maul in on Malachor. The Shadow Collective itself was really created to take over Mandalore for Vizla's benefit primarily since originally Vizsla was the stand-in front for Maul's t army building We learn Mandalore was always supposed to be more a front for his true operations since he stated to Vizsla from the beginning of their alliance:

Maul:

The vision has expanded.
You will still rule Mandalore, and under your protection, I will command a new galactic underworld.


Vizsla:

Mandalore influences a league of 2,000 neutral systems.
It gives you a great deal of options for your enterprise.

Maul:

You have learned from your previous oversights.
With their combined forces, the Republic and the Separatists will be irrelevant.

Maul:

We now have a base, an army, and the means to expand to other neutral systems

Savage:

I believe Vizsla will betray us.


Maul:

We have no other choice.
We cannot rule openly without drawing the attention of the Jedi.
We need Vizsla as the face of our rule for now.


Savage:

The promise of wealth will find us a new face on Mandalore.

Maul:

You have learned well, my apprentice.
Greed never fails to motivate.








Actually Maul was sowing the seeds of his shadow collective and underworld empire building since before even the Phantom Menace .





I think the Crimson Dawn is just another front of Maul's obviously but the evolved formation of Maul's true goal and he succeeded in building a very powerful criminal empire that answers to no one. The ending signal's that Maul is ready to step out've the shadows for action.

Likely those mercinaries that attacked Savereen was former Death Watch Mauldorlorian loyalists since we saw how Death Watch treated the Ming-Po and Vos has a suit of red Mandalorian armor.

Cool Twitter insight from Ray Park about Maul's look in SOLO, pretty much confirms what some have stated:

 

Did I read it right in your comic's quote - The Kaitis Cartel? I just checked the comic I have. So which comic is your quote from?

And I suppose I have to see the holo-image of Maul in SOLO once more, for I didn't spot the broken nose, nor the prosthetics around his face. Now I want to know how that happened. The last comic-series of Maul was a success. I still hope, we'll get more than a comic to see what happened between RotS and Solo with and by him.

 

It's from Age of Republic Darth Maul

 

this just shows how creatively bankrupt star wars is. let's bring back the guy who was cut in half in that movie from twenty years ago that no one even liked. sounds like a solid plan!

 

You're very close to a timeout if you can't cool it with the trolling. This is your final warning.

 

Everyone in Rebels was stick thin, bar the older clone dudes and a few aliens here and there.