Lit The Definitive Sinre Poll Series: Was Vergere as a Sith a good retcon?

Yes.

Sith, especially Banite scheming-from-the-shadows Sith, are what makes Star Wars cool.

The only thing lost was Vergere's NJO philosophy which was inconsistent across books to begin with (see the "Jacen and the two Vergeres" essay).

 

For me, no. While Vergere is definitely to some extent off and is very much in the "Yoda if he actually did go crazy" mold, I think that her as a Sith does not fit the narrative.

 

Besides, we only have Lumiya's word Vergere was a Sith. And that story about the "good" Sith was just putting lipstick on a pig so she hoped that Jacen wouldn't notice the pig.

Palpatine did a better job of preparing Anakin. Of course, he had over 10 years to refine his methods.

 

Ah yes, Darth KFC.

 

I never saw her as a true Sith and consider the retcon a lie of Lumya.

Sith don't become the same kind of force ghosts as Jedi.

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To me, that was a wasted opportunity. Vectivus as a Sith with a strong moral system and as an aspiration for Jacen would have been an interesting idea to explore instead of just the standard diabolic temptation.

 

No.

No, no, no, no.

No.

No.

 

No In both canon and legends I think the Sith should be dead post ROTJ

 

Not to get too off-topic, but I was under the impression that Vectivus didn't exist anyway.

 

It was an early part of my ultimate abandonment of the last few years of the EU before the Disney reboot brought me back, so I'm gonna fall on the side of no here.

 

Reading up on her, I think she's more interesting as a Baylan Skoll-esque Dark/Fallen Jedi then a Sith. But that's just my thoughts, full respect for any who disagree.

 

This. There's no topping Palpatine. We've got, what, five or seven thousand years of history leading up to the movie era in which the Sith were a thing? That's plenty of times to tell stories about the Sith. Let them culminate with Palps, and then find something else to move on to.

 

So you are saying that Lumya is a true student of Vergere's teachings

 

I think the One Sith worked though

 

Vegere’s always been the one retcon I never really got behind.

SWTOR? It took time, but I came to enjoy that. The Vegere retcon though always hit me the wrong way as LOTF was the Post-ROTJ-Sith story, it didn’t need NJO to be another Sith story, and I found what Vegere offered a breath of fresh air.

She didn’t need to be right anymore than Baylan in Ahsoka does, but it was just nice to have a foil to both the old Jedi and Sith ways, to push Jacen into pushing Luke’s order to grow, not go backwards like ended up happening in LOTF, as turning it into a carbon copy of the PT was narratively uninspiring.

 

I just headcanon that SW ended with the NJO. So...LOTF never happened, and this isn't an issue

 

Now, what Jacen saw (particularly his daughter or Luke regarding the dark man or the throne) during his 5 year journey? I can accept that as a major push towards him becoming a Sith.

After all, Jacen was definitely not the same person during the Dark Nest Trilogy. Pre-Traitor Jacen wouldn't have tricked Jaina and the others into that preemptive strike on the Chiss, and I don't think even immediately post-Traitor Jacen would have done so.

 

I agree. But I wouldn't call Vergere a darksider. She's beyond both sides.

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Six of you are bad and you should feel bad.

 

People are allowed their opinion.