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Lit The Essential Atlas and Galactic Cartography: Official Discussion

Discussion in 'Literature' started by CeiranHarmony, Oct 14, 2005.

  1. Senator_Cilghal

    Senator_Cilghal Jedi Master star 5

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    ill tell you whats wrong with it. Geonosians come from a desert planet. So if Zaadja has desert and polar terrain, why did the Geonosians build in the poles rather than the just-like-home deserts?
     
  2. CeiranHarmony

    CeiranHarmony Force Ghost star 5

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    cool, more gifs please.. modi how do you create an animated gif? I want to do something myself with maps using that.
     
  3. wookieepedian1

    wookieepedian1 Jedi Youngling star 2

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    :eek: You never cease to amaze me, Modi.
     
  4. wookieepedian1

    wookieepedian1 Jedi Youngling star 2

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    But since I'll be monitoring this project at Wookiee, I'm curious to see where youre going with this.
     
  5. Sinrebirth

    Sinrebirth Mod-Emperor of the EUC, Lit, RPF and SWC star 10 Staff Member Manager

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    That's simple. Because that's where Geonosians would obviously set up their base. In a desert. And, just as easily, the Republic finds it and blows it up.

    The Geonosians put the base on the poles, and the Republic thinks at first;

    "Those Geonosians lived on a desert planet, what's the point of looking where its snowy!"

    And then some uber smart clone mentions that thats what they expect you'll say, so the Republic looks and has a face of

    :eek:

    And so on.

    Anyway, that Hutt map is amazing Modi!!!
     
  6. Senator_Cilghal

    Senator_Cilghal Jedi Master star 5

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    Sinrebirth, as you yourself pointed out, that doesnt stop them from being found, as with orbital scanning capable of finding lifeforms as seen in ESB, doesnt seem like thatd hinder their being found any way. In the end, the Geonosians would have advantages living and fighting in more familiar terrain.
     
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  7. Randy_Stradley

    Randy_Stradley Dark Horse Comics Editor and Author star 2 VIP

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    This seems much ado about nothing.

    See if this doesn't explain it all:

    1. "Zaddja" and "Zaadja." I'm not sure where the mistake occured. The version of the original script that I still have on my home computer says "Zaadja," and that's the spelling I used for the Republic story. Somewhere along the line it was either changed to "Zaddja," or the letterer made a mistake way back when, which wasn't caught. Anyway, I used my original source as reference rather than a printed copy of Crimson Empire (because I didn't have a copy handy). My bad. The simpler thing now (given that the "Forever Young" story and the map are both in wide circulation with the "Zaadja" spelling) would be to change the spelling in CE in the next printing.

    2. Zaadja's own remoteness was what hid the Geonosians. They weren't trying to hide from life form scanners by setting up near one of the poles.

    3. Zaadja is desolate, but not hot. Even at the equator it's not all that warm. However, the Geonosians were smart enough to install central heating in the hive factory, so the cold didn't bother them much.

    4. It's all fake stuff made up for a fiction universe.



    :eek:
     
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  8. eddie1969

    eddie1969 Jedi Master star 4

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    point 4 is classic!!!! :)
     
  9. Rogue_Follower

    Rogue_Follower Manager Emeritus star 6 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    Oh please. You know us better than that. :p :-B


    If somebody really needs a potential retcon for "Zaddja" vs. "Zaadja," there's always the "its translated from another language into Basic, so spelling can vary" explanation. Such things happen here on earth, occasionally. [face_peace]
     
  10. Randy_Stradley

    Randy_Stradley Dark Horse Comics Editor and Author star 2 VIP

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    I thought of an even better explanation: Zaddja and Zaadja are two completely different planets.

    There, problem solved.
     
  11. Rogue_Follower

    Rogue_Follower Manager Emeritus star 6 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    You're enjoying this, aren't you?

    :D
     
  12. Randy_Stradley

    Randy_Stradley Dark Horse Comics Editor and Author star 2 VIP

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    Sadly, I am -- as much as I ever enjoy anything...

    [face_tired]
     
  13. jSarek

    jSarek VIP star 4 VIP

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    Well, if the Gamor Run isn't named after Gamorr, and we can have two Bysses, there's certainly no reason they couldn't be different planets if you really want them to be.

    And, if the Suolriep Sector is really the Sulorine Sector, and Klatooinans are really Klatooinians, there's certainly no reason they couldn't be the same place with a mispelling if you really want them to be.

    Just let us in on your final decision when you get there. ;-)
     
  14. Melda

    Melda Jedi Youngling star 1

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    To Modi and anyone else cartographic . . .


    Would it be possible to assemble a sort of 'historical' map like Modi's Vuzzhan Vong war progression maps for the progression of New Republic and Imperial territory following the Battle of Endor through to the signing of the peace treaty in 19 ABY?

    Even a blow-by-blow textual description would be awesome, come to think of it. ;)

    =)
     
  15. modi

    modi Jedi Youngling star 1

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    It depends on which program you use... And here is the more: ;)
    [image=http://img171.imageshack.us/img171/7/javinhisbq6.gif]
    History of the Greater Javin.
    The strange yellow thing is the Twin Nebulae...

    There were plans for it... Sinrebirth wrote a good description about this.
     
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  16. modi

    modi Jedi Youngling star 1

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    Here is the final update:

    Now there are two main galaxy maps: a "political map" and a "physical map".
    The first one shows sectors, and trade routes, while the second one shows astronomical objects (star clusters, nebulas...). Also there is a separate page for the index, and it contains region/sector/nebula lists now. I added a map about the Koornacht Cluster, based on the map from the Coruscant and the Core Worlds.

    [image=http://img355.imageshack.us/img355/4190/gmapnatye2.jpg]

    So...
    Map of the Star Wars Galaxy
    Map of the Star Wars Galaxy #2 (Astronomical objects)
    Population Map of the Star Wars Galaxy
    Detail Maps
    Index

    About the coordinate system
    Statistics about the Galaxy
    Spiral Arms of the Galaxy

    History of the Hutt Space
    History of the Greater Javin region

    Map of the Star Wars Galaxy with layers
    Map of the Star Wars Galaxy with links to Wookieepedia


    Update
    - added Zaadja
    - added Trilon Sector
    - fixed the locations of Dargulli, Korda and Thustra
    - Chommel became Chommell, and now the sector is bordering the ORT
    - added Trition Trade Route



    [u][b]About the Dark Horse galaxy map:[/b][/u]

    Unlike on previous maps, Mid Rim/Expansion Region/Inner Rim are marked on the western quadrant and it isn't like on the Insider map. And the Unknown Regions label is outside the galactic disk. [face_thinking]

    [b]Some usual errors:[/b]
    - The map placed Wayland, Sullust and Yinchorr in the Mid Rim. Wayland and Sullust are in the ORT, Yinchorr is in the Expansion Region...
    - Aquaris is in the Inner Rim now (instead of the Expansion Region).
    - Aargonar is replaced (or misplaced?)
    - Derra IV is in the Expansion Region (it was in the Inner Rim on the NEC map)
    - Thyferra is not on the Rimma now.
    - Clak'Dor is far from the Rimma (like on the NEC map)
    - Roche is not one the Perlemian.
    - Selonia is not in the Corellian system. [face_shock] Maybe they used the Centerpoint Station and the planetary repulsors to move it. [face_laugh]
    - Corellian Run and the Hydian way goes trough the Deep Core. [face_doh!]
    - Corellian Run is an offshoot of the Hydian Way (like on the NEC map)
    - I thought that Colomus on the NEC map was actually Columus, but it appears again here as Colomus. Is it a new planet or the same mistake twice?

    [hr]
    And where is this map from? Is it canon?
    [image=http://img67.imageshack.us/img67/2308/swunitd1.jpg]
     
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  17. Sinrebirth

    Sinrebirth Mod-Emperor of the EUC, Lit, RPF and SWC star 10 Staff Member Manager

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    Melda, its very possible. If Modi is interested, I have updated versions of all the era wars and strategic going ons in relation to the new systems we've been added. Most of the older ones are pretty much the same, but the New Sith Wars, Clone Wars and GCW are changing somewhat.

    I even suggest we move it to the uber ap you've done, Modi.

    PM me if you're interested, Modi, and I'll get re-organising my notes.

    *thinks*

    Text description could just be a cleaned-up version of my notes, after all.
     
  18. dizfactor

    dizfactor Jedi Knight star 5

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    Modi, your work is brilliant. Unbelievable.

    That said, I was looking for a specific map I saw a while ago, I think originally in Insider. It's a political map of the Clone Wars era with individual systems color-coded by political loyalty (Separatist vs Loyalist). Anyone know where I can find a copy of that?
     
  19. Senator_Cilghal

    Senator_Cilghal Jedi Master star 5

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    where IS the Gree Enclave? This always bothered me.

    Also, the last Insider indicated Smuggler's Run was in Wild Space rimward of Wrea and Ryloth, albeit that's still rather vague; still, I like it, that places it near Zygerria!
     
  20. cartographer

    cartographer Jedi Master star 1

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    That was one tidbit that I was excited to read.

    I've never been able to figure out the Gree thing. Every now and then I pull out all of my notes on that one but I couldn't place it definitivly.

     
  21. CeiranHarmony

    CeiranHarmony Force Ghost star 5

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    my best guess is gree enclave rimward of datomir... the gree gates and the kwa/kwi technology seems to be related using wormholes and transdimensional vortexes
     
  22. Kol_Skywalker

    Kol_Skywalker Jedi Padawan star 4

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    Thanks for the animated map, looking forward to more!

    Is it possible to do this, however, with the entire GFFA map?
     
  23. The2ndQuest

    The2ndQuest Tri-Mod With a Mouth star 10 Staff Member Manager

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    It's a canon source- I think it's from one of the DK books (Visual Dictionary, Inside the Locations or Ultimate Visual Guide would be my first guesses), but I'm not sure which one offhand.
     
  24. Sauron_18

    Sauron_18 Force Ghost star 5

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    I can tell you it's neither of those [face_mischief]
     
  25. The2ndQuest

    The2ndQuest Tri-Mod With a Mouth star 10 Staff Member Manager

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    Hmm- I've definitely seen it before, and I'm sure I have it somewhere- I'll dig around if no one else can ID it.