The Kotor romances, the good, the bad and the terrible.

Compared to other Star Wars romances, KOTOR romances are the best.

 

I understand that romances can be good, and I felt that the fact that there were not too many outward displays of physical affection is what made people say that the KoTOR romances were not good. In other words, I wasn't saying that including sex makes a better romance, I was suggesting quite the opposite actually. I played both the games only as LS and DS males, and I have to say that Bastilla, Brianna, and Visas romances were done pretty well. I felt a certain attachment to them even without any intense makeout scenes. I too thought Atris had killed Brianna and was REALLY pissed off. The Visas/Brianna catfight is interesting. Brianna will not talk to you at all if you learn towards Visas, but Visas remains on speaking terms with you if you are obviously favoring the handmaiden.

Carnage

 

I think some physical affection might be good as well. Unfortunately with the level of graphics they wouldn't be able to make it look good. Remember the kiss in Outcast between Kyle and Jan? *cringes* That was terrible. We'll see how much better the graphics are for KotorIII and see if they can do it then. Why not keep the combat system, but have Final Fantasy grade graphics? I've seen the graphics, and the women look georgous and the men are actually good looking. Unlike the male choices of heads for the male Revan. They all look like dorks. I think the Brianna romance was quite terrible, and clearly Visas loves you more than she does.

 

Unlike the male choices of heads for the male Revan. They all look like dorks.

Actualy, the one with Jedi-mullet is quite handsome for a computer character.


I think the Brianna romance was quite terrible, and clearly Visas loves you more than she does.

Both suck.

 

I must comment.

That you brought up Sion (kidding or no) is interesting. I didn't notice any such thing from Darth Sion until I finally played as Male Exile and certain things were absent ...

On Korriban: when I was Male Exile and ran into Sion inside the dead Sith Academy, Kreia told me to haul ass and I did, and Sion says something to the Sith Assassins along the lines of, "never stop hunting him down." The impression is that despite Sion's best efforts, you successfully run away from him. This was in blatant contrast with what I remember as a Female Exile.

When the F!Exile runs away, Sion instead stops his Assassins from chasing her. He says, "she has earned this [at least this once]." At the time I thought that, after we finally met and fought for the first time, he has gained a respect for my Exile's abilities enough to let me go to fight another day. But there's really no difference between male and female Exile abilities, so there would be another reason why Sion simply tried and failed to kill the Male Exile but deliberately let the female Exile escape. He would hate one but had mixed feelings for the other.

There's also the Trayus academy meeting. I'm pretty sure he didn't say this to my male Exile, "I hate you because you're beautiful to me. In such weakness lies death." For Sith, love is a weakness and the best way to deal with feelings for someone is to kill her. Sion probably regretted letting his feelings get the better of him when he let the Exile run away from the Korriban Academy, though either way he still seemed willing to give the Exile a chance to run away from what Kreia might do to him/her at the Trayus Academy.

I don't think this is a two-way street and so not a romance, but in a Light Side female Exile's case I think Sion's feelings will have made her at least recognize the spark of humanity, generate some compassion for him, and give another motive to convince him to "let go."

And that's why I think that's one of the more interesting relationships in KotOR 2. Excuse my broken grammar.

I also agree with you regarding Canderous and Bao-Dur ... I just don't think we got to understand Bao-Dur well enough to say for sure, though. And Canderous really didn't seem the type to get close to someone. Awesome as he was. I think a one-sided thing with him and Revan (with Canderous being the uninterested one) might have been realistic.

 

How do you get these romances to start in KOTOR2?

 

How come Canderous is off the loveboat turf in KOTOR? Sure, he's a miserly ol' gizer in KOTOR II, but he was a helluva lot better pickings than whiny-brat Carth.

 

Because according to Wikipedia, Canderous is 63 years old.

Creepy.

The most satisfying love story is Bastila. You just really get the most closure. I want a marriage scene at the end of KOTOR III.

_Max

 

Influence. Gain a lot of influence with the character of your choice and lose it with the one you don't want. If you have high influence with both, they start to have problems with each other.

The most serious is when you have high influence with Visas and less with Handmaiden ... eventually Handmaiden refuses to speak to you.

Atton will pick an argument with Disciple, but they make up later. Disciple isn't very possessive of you. I got bored with him.

Also Mira, if she joins your party, will tease not only you, but later another character, about possible feelings. E.g., when Disciple and you are meditating and Atton gets uncomfortable, she asks him, "meditation envy?"

Yes, in KotOR 2 the romance is rarely shown between you and your object of affection. It's shown during conversations among other people, or you and someone else. Makes it less satisfying, but there was supposed to be more if they'd finished the game.

It's one reason why a lot of people are happiest with Visas and Male Exile: they actually do have a scene together in which Visas voices her feelings and asks him to stay, and then they have a very lovely meditation scene.

 

So that's what they call it nowadays...

But seriously, if I want to romance the Handmaiden, does that mean I shouldn't care about influencing Visas at all? 'Cause I like her too...

 

Hahaha! If you haven't seen it, they do meditate (and that's it) but it's pretty sensual.

And yes, you'll have to hold off on Visas influence, or Handmaiden will stop speaking to you. But:

What you can do is simply not influence Visas for a while. Hold off on it, concentrate on influencing Handmaiden and sparring with her three times, and then turn her into a Jedi. After that point, she'll no longer care if you influence Visas. And that's good, because I like Visas too and I like what she has to say -- and Force Sight.

However, I'm pretty sure that to avoid the meditation scene and focus on Handmaiden, you'd need to keep Handmaiden's influence higher than Visas's. I haven't accomplished this yet so I'm not yet sure just how much of the romance subplot I can get out of her.

 

Does it matter if I have a female character?

 

Hey is there a romance sceen withe the exile and handmaiden and if so how do you get to see it


Todan

 

I never got the Handmaiden to a point where she wouldn't talk to me. Just be nice to Handmaiden before Visas arrives and you shouldn't have a problem, no matter what you tell Visas later on.

The closest thing to a romance scene would be right after you beat Atris. It's not combined with a cutscene, only dialog. If I remember it right, it's basically the Exile telling Briana how afraid he was of losing her with Handmaiden giving a similar answer. All that happens only if you choose the right dialog options, of course.

 

Well yes, the point is to have your Handmaiden influence high enough. Holding off on influencing Visas is to be on the safe side, in case you don't really know whom you've influenced more.

And okay, the reason why I wondered if there should have been more to the post-Atris scene is because I got that scene even though I had meditated with Visas earlier. I guess my influence was high with both of them ...

Also I wasn't sure if some of the members I spoke to just now had gotten to that Atris part, so I didn't use Handmaiden's real name. Not considered a spoiler anymore?

 

Totally forgot that her name might be a spoiler to some. I've changed it.

I think the meditation scene happens regardless of your influence with those two.
I always got it, even though I usually had higher influence with Handmaiden. In that case, part of what Visas tells you is that she wants to feel what the Handmaiden feels. I guess that's the only real change in that conversation.

 

The only way Brianna/Handmaiden doesn't talk to you is if you don't gain influence with her quick enough, and you gain influence with Visas when she arrives, so then the Handmaiden says that she doesn't want to talk to you because you befriended "The Sith". (Yet, she stays on your ship and refuses to communicate with you... )

Yes, the meditation with Visas happens no matter what, but to have Visas teach you force sight you have to have a high enough influence because you only have one shot at getting it. If you get 'Influence: Failure', you don't get a chance to learn it again (Thats for Xbox, don't know about PC)

To train Handmaiden as a Jedi, you have to have enough influence and hold off on getting influence with Visas until you have enough with Handmaiden, so Handmaiden can become a Jedi and so you can learn Force Sight as well.

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But anyway, the closest I think to a "romance" scene is the Visas scene where she tells you she loved you since she saw you and then you meditate, and after you defeat Atris and tell Brianna you were afraid of losing her and such. (males only)

For females, I'm not sure because I've never done a lightside ending yet with a female so all I do is push Disciple away and Atton just becomes evil. So not sure about female romances...

 

I befriended Handmaiden very quickly, so I didn't get much chance to talk to Visas. Didn't hear anything useful from her. The possibility of training Handmaiden, Atton and Mira is very cool and it comes in handy, so I think that romance with Brianna is more important that the romance with Visas.

 

Ive romanced both rather easily.

Romancing the Hand maiden is easy as pie. You Just have to beat the snot out of her! Dont look at me like that! There are 3 duels. Duel 1 and 2 take place pretty close together. You can try to cheat before your spars with Brianna by buffing yorself first (Like cheating with the madalorian unarmed sparring) but I dont know if the buffs lass through the dialog, or if the game just wipes them as you start...But it works with the madalorians. Beat her twice and keep her as a constant partner on the 1st world you visit...The Bam! Convert her to the force. Than you cand romance Vivias till the cows come home.

Thats how I played it o the PC version.

 

I, too, think that the male exile and female NPC romances are more...fun...as some say

 

I always liked having a romance with Carth because I like his hair, it's all nice and floppy.

Plus I managed to be better at talking with men in KOTOR than I am in real life.


But if you want to witness the most amusing computer game sex EVER, play Fable. In it you have the option of "going to bed" with your wife or gay husband. When that happens the screen goes black and you hear a lot of giggling. And sometimes your wife calls you "naughty".

 

I never had a problem with Visas vs Handmaiden in regards to influence. I was able to have "Force sex" with Visas and still get Brianna to tell me her name and all that stuff.

I actually prefer the male Exile's romances with Visas/Handmaiden over the one I just uncovered...


I'm playing a dark side female Exile and I just finished the Rebuilt Enclave scene. Disciple comes to me and we have a conversation about what the Force and personal choices, etc...but there's no romance at all. My character doesn't even really get to speak. There are no lines like when Visas asks you to stay with her. Nothing.

Am I missing influence and that's why there's no romance there? Or is this the way it's supposed to go for the female Exile?

 

I'd really like to see a love interest in the next one that just blossoms and big time. They actually made Bastila to be pretty good looking for a game. Bring someone of that calibur back to the game. Get secretly wed like anakin and padme on some deserted island on Naboo. I dunno make it more believable. Give her a hug everytime you see her if she didn't go with you on a mission or if you like save her life in a battle she needs to give you a kiss lol.

 

I'm glad I didn't have liquid in my mouth when I read that. Awesome.


I, for one, have never been given a romantic option with Carth. And, I really can't stand the disciple. He annoys me.

 

the bastila romance was the best. she actually shows her feelings for you. Visas seemed alright but you can't see her eyes. I'm not into the blind wife. Handmaiden just freaks you out and the Mira romance didn't blossom really she just tells you she wants your awesome force filled body and that if the other girls want you she'd kick their butt.