The Mandalorian The Mandalorian 2.08 - Chapter 16 (Season Finale!!) - Discussion Thread (Spoilers Allowed)

I hope Mando gets one of those cool Mandalorian Gauntlet fighters. The imperial shuttle just seems kinda bland for him.

 

Can someone please explain why bo katan cant take the sword in episode 16 when she did in rebels from sabine??

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She learned the hard way that it was a mistake.

 

Agree. When tons of the biggest cynics of the ST absolutely love Luke's appearance and how it was executed (minus the CGI), you can't call it ballsy. It's what everyone has wanted to see.

 

Luke deserved to be shown as a fully trained Jedi Master who makes us lose our minds. And he got it yesterday. And I am happy for Mark Hamill, because I know he must be having some of the best days in his life right now. Not sure what you mean by power play. Favreau and Filoni are DEDICATED to the story, and we are embracing it because it comes from the heart and from a genuine will and ability to give a good story. The Clone Wars, Rebels and now The Mandalorian are flawless examples of how you pass on the torch to other characters and stories.

Is it a coincidence that somehow in 2020 everyone loves Ahsoka Tano, Din Djarin, Grogu and so many more characters? You can still give extraordinary moments to classic characters, like they did yesterday with Luke, and promote the new characters. We got our Luke fix. Now we will focus on Liberating Mandalore. And Ahsoka finding Ezra. And Thrawn.

Or, and call me crazy, we love good stories and we think it was ballsy to execute a good story perfectly.
What does the ST have to do with this? The ST is anything but ballsy.

 

This was a reply of mine in this thread: I can reason the "retcon." I don't think it was a retcon per se. Sabine gave Bo Katan the darksaber. So, Clans Wren, Kryze, and the other couple when this occurred were OK with it. Obviously, Bo Katan and the other few clans failed to retake Mandalore, and it probably has to do with her not being the rightful heir to the darksaber. All the other Mandalorians probably looked at her like a failure. I think Gideon's expository monologue was both for noobs who don't know anything about the saber and its traditions and to point out Bo Katan's failure to reunite Mandalore by wrongfully taking the darksaber from Sabine. She didn't want to repeat the same mistake.

Honestly, isn't the rightful heir to Mandalore Luke? He defeated Vader, who defeated Obi Wan, who defeated Maul. Maul never lost the darksaber. The last battle we saw for "it" was Saxon vs Sabine. Who knows, but I would be satisfied with the explanation I gave. I doubt Filoni would not catch such an oversight without intention.

 

It’ll be explained away at some point. Others here have suggested that it’s possible that when she tried to unite the clans they didn’t recognize her as she hadn’t obtained the darksaber “honorably” through combat. Hence why she’s so keen on obeying this particular practice over say always wearing her helmet like those “crazy zealots” from the Watch.

 

Your first statement happened on 12/14/2017 when he force projected himself across the Galaxy to save the entire resistance and made sure he wasn’t the Last Jedi. It was the epitome of of Jedi Master. He gave Kylo a lesson without having to harm him or anybody. Peak Jedi Master is not fighting with a laser sword mowing down droids lol. He stopped the First Order without having to fight, now that’s a Jedi Master.

 

That's your opinion and you are entitled to it. You are breaking the rules of this thread for the 10th time or so by going back to the ST and I have tried to ignore it.

But since you mention that scene, for me it's one of the worst cinematic moments I have ever lived, and completely disgraceful both to the character and the actor, not to mention the creator.

 

Ah makes sense, she failed once and doesn't want to do so again.

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It’s not just my opinion, it’s both of our opinions. I do know from George Lucas mouth though that a Jedi isn’t measured by how many people he can go mow down and how strong he is with his laser sword.

Also the ST isn’t off limits if we are talking about character arcs. That would be like TCW being off limits when talking about Ahsoka.

 

Agree Filoni wouldn't have made such an error. Hopefully we get to see what happened to bo katan and explore mandelore that was ""turned to glass"" in season 3

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The Mandalorians will have a lot to sort out with darksaber traditions. I think I incorrectly said earlier that Maul never lost it. Didn't he lose against Sidious after he acquired it? Vader killed Sidious, but just before that Luke defeated Vader (who defeated Obi-wan, who defeated Maul). Maybe then it's up for grabs, but Maul still always had it. Anyway, those Mandos have a lot to discuss regarding right to rule and the ruler's relationship with the blade.

 

I had been waiting 37 years for that finale.

 

This only works if you selectively ignore all of his mistakes that actually created the situation in which he needed to come in and save the dwindling Resistance. If he hadn't made the mistakes he made, and they were mistakes (canon according to Luke himself in ROS), the Resistance would have been in a better position than it was after he saved them. So in a vacuum, Luke's actions on Crait were Jedi-like. But in context, he was just cleaning up his own mess, having turned his back on the Jedi and their teachings, which in part cost the galaxy the New Republic.

The Luke we got in the Mandalorian was not there to mow down droids. He was there to rescue Grogu and take him as a student.

 

This is not the ST forum. Take it over there. This is a nice part of the forum where people are generally united in loving the series, don’t drag it down.

 

Seconded.

 

And? Who said Grogu has to share the same fate as Luke’s Jedi Order?

 

I like the intentional problems between characters on what constitutes a Mandalorian or ruler of Mandalore. Helmet on or off? Darksaber rights from a duel or not? Being a founding is more important than being (literal) blood? I am excited at what the next season will be and how we will presumably delver deeper into Mandalore traditions and how all of it might change considering the hypocrisy of "real" Mandalorians.

 

Was anybody else bummed that Axe Woves never showed up?? I was hoping to see a badass squad of mandalorians assist in taking the ship. I wonder where he was....

 

No kidding. There's 25 years for all kinds of things to change but some folk act like it's a foregone conclusion that Grogu gets slaughtered at Luke's temple. My theory is that Ezra has found the Jedi Exxogol in the unknown regions. Once Ahsoka finds him it ends up being decided to send Grogu to him so Grogu can be truly safe and wait until he's old enough to be a an active jedi.

 

I was watching one group on YouTube discussing the episode and they made a point that Bo Katan should’ve brought more Mando’s with her like Axe and a few generic ones given that this was such a vital mission to reclaim the darksaber.

Thinking about it now it could’ve been used really well in showing that Bo has more than just two other Mando’s helping her quest but also have some redshirts to die to up the stakes a but.

 

In general seeing luke and grogu together is bitter sweet, knowing how the new jedi order ends up. I hope we see grogu in the future sometime after the events of the sequel trilogy in any media (show/movie/game) That would be amazing.

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Yeah. If I never saw anymore “but the casuals won’t understand!” hang-wringing, I could die happy. My wife isn’t into Star Wars (except for Rogue One and Mando) and she cried her eyes out during this finale and loved the season. What, exactly, are casuals not getting? The story is well-structured and simply presented. There is no confusion. Only intriguing hints at a deeper history. Which makes casuals want to seek out...more Star Wars. Relax. This is the beginning of an explosion of Star Wars fandom on a massive scale. The SWCU is here and it’s going to be more successful than anything that’s come before it.

 

Exactly. I am pretty disappointed that Axe Woves was not in the episode. There is no reason that Bo katan couldn't have spared more mandalorians for the fight. She alluded to having an entire regiment/platoon of mandalorian warriors in an earlier episode!!!!!!