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The Mandalorian The Mandalorian 3.08 - Chapter 24 (SEASON FINALE!!!!) - Discussion Thread (Spoilers Allowed)

Discussion in 'Star Wars TV- Current and Future Shows' started by Todd the Jedi , Apr 18, 2023.

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Grade the Episode

Poll closed May 3, 2023.
  1. 10

    18.9%
  2. 9

    18.0%
  3. 8

    29.5%
  4. 7

    13.1%
  5. 6

    11.5%
  6. 5

    4.9%
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    0.8%
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    1.6%
  1. Ender_and_Bean

    Ender_and_Bean Chosen One star 6

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    Earth has had a lot of dinosaurs and still has large lizards, enormous mammals like blue whales, creatures that can live 500 years, and killer cats larger than people but if somehow a dragon was discovered alive somehow in a cave you can bet it would be shocking. We don’t yet know what special abilities the Mythosaur has or the last time one was seen by any Mandalorians (prior to Bo Katan) so if nobody has seen one in a very long time it’s reasonable to believe they never will again and for some to even question whether the tales about them were true at all. We don’t know what tales these people were told about mythosaurs or what abilities they were thought to possess.
     
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  2. Pro Scoundrel

    Pro Scoundrel New Films Expert At Modding Casual star 6 Staff Member Manager

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    Yes, that can certainly explain why they're returning. I assumed as much, when watching the episodes. However...

    Which goes back to my original question. What makes the Mythosaur revered, in a world with other creatures of equal size? I'd love to know. Hopefully this will be explained, but I'm not optimistic.
     
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  3. godisawesome

    godisawesome Skywalker Saga Undersheriff star 6 Staff Member Manager

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    Yeah… that particular comparison really isn’t flattering to the story. Escapist stories have to be careful with how they use deconstruction, because usually they still rely entirely on some level of pure escapism elsewhere, and you don’t want the deconstruction in one place to accidentally clash with another - because then the story might end up saying something it doesn’t mean to, like seemingly arguing that democracy doesn’t work but warrior cults totally do.

    (Intentionally having them clash, of course is what makes escapism and deconstruction work well together, since you can control the messages then.)

    Yeah… I think this is my biggest downside to the series.

    TBOBF teased me with a flat out more interesting storyline - Din as the Mandalore candidate, learning to use the Darksaber likely fighting duels or sparring matches against other Mandos, likely having a character development story dealing with the ugly side of his faith that had just punished him more for a lapse in ceremony than it would for blood spilling and underworld work, with characters like the Armorer and Bo Katan is complicated places regarding him.

    All that would require, at minimum, Din encountering more Mandos and likely learning more about them, whether he wanted to end things as Mandalore or not.

    Instead, they wanted to do none of that, and instead sort of weirdly wanted to dumb down:

    -All the factions we’d ever learned about or been able to analyze into Helmet Mandos, Helmet Optional Mandos, and Helmet Optional Mandos By Way Of Fury Road

    -All our named Mandos into largely interchangeable Good Guys In Armor Who Can All Be Talked Down.

    -And Din’s story with the Darksaber to “Find the legal loophole to hand it off to Bo Katan like you wanted to in a handful of episodes.”

    Honestly, I think that stuff is what really killed the serialized story between The Mines of Mandalore and our 2-part finale: while the one-off adventure stories were thoroughly mediocre if fun, each section of the story gathering the Mandos together that surrounded them wound up being almost always deflating, quick, and largely insubstantial.

    In contrast, the finale two-parter, while still suffering from the fact that, to be, blunt, Bo’s a boring Lady Mandalore and Din would still make a more interesting and better candidate there, at least reintroduced conflict and gave us the jet-pack, flame-thrower action we’d been denied for most of the season.
     
  4. Darth_Accipiter

    Darth_Accipiter Force Ghost star 6

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    It looks like from the concept art that the original idea was to use the Imperial Supercommando design from Rebels for the beskar stormtroopers.

    [​IMG]
     
  5. Kato Sai

    Kato Sai Chosen One star 8

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    Luke holding to the Non-Attachment Jedi requirement when he tells Grogu he must choose between Mando dad or the Jedi Path. When Luke saved Vader via attachment as his Son, and he’d be training no one if Anakin had not formed attachment with him and saved his life from Palpatine.
     
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  6. B3

    B3 Chosen One star 6

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    Look at it this way. What if the lion, a very common symbol of power and royalty, had gone extinct in the distant past. There would still be elephants and hippos and even tigers. All sorts of impressive beasts. But the lion has become myth. And then suddenly the leader of a culture for whom the lion is a potent symbol discovers a living one.

    Earlier in the season I had wondered if the CotW had settled where they did precisely because it was a kaiju infested lake, as a sort of proxy for the Living Waters and their mythosaur where they could perform baptisms for their growing numbers. Now I wonder if kaiju in general are just a fact of life for Mandalorians.
     
  7. godisawesome

    godisawesome Skywalker Saga Undersheriff star 6 Staff Member Manager

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    I hope someone decides to “soft retcon” the “Imperial armored commandos” (the lower case spelling is apparently LFL’s own decision on the matter) into just Imperial Super Commandos with a new generation of armor and extremely low self-esteem, and they get those costumes back in Season 4 for either some antagonists or complicated “Exiled Mandos”/ Dar’Manda Din can encounter and maybe lead back into their own redemption.
     
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  8. DarkGingerJedi

    DarkGingerJedi Chosen One star 7

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    Not quite the same thing.

    This would be more like dragons existing, and flying around Earth, and then at the same time we considered one dragon to be totally unreal and part of some myth about an ancient savior once riding.

    If Mandalore has these insanely large beasts roaming around freely, no one should really be surprised that one of these really huge beasts isn't just a myth after all. Dinosaurs are all extinct and if one of them suddenly showed up in NYC, it would be a truly surprising event. But if Dinos existed today, and roamed freely in central park, a T-rex showing up one day isn't going to surprise anyone. You'd be like "Yeah, of course".

    Remember, everyone thinks this beast is a myth. It's almost absurd to even think it's real. That's where Bo was at the beginning of the season. It's totally unfathomable. But ... for all intents and purposes the exact same type of beast is roaming around Mandalore like no big deal. They're not surprised by its existence at all.

    When it first rose up, I thought it was the Mythosaur. I was like 'here we go". It was the perfect part of the story where it should have happened given everything about the season thus far. The Mythosaur was awake. It was underground. It was near one of the Mandalorian city tunnels. And we had a set up where it needed to be tamed by the hero. And what rose up instead, was basically the exact same thing. "Nope sorry. Doesn't have the horns in the right spot. Looks like the Mythosaur is still just a silly myth for kids. Clearly there's just no way a Mythosaur could possibly exists on this planet of giant beasts which constantly attack us everyday".

    This is all a minor point of inconsistency. At the beginning of the season I assumed that giant mythic beasts were rare and unseen, leading their society to think this stuff is just a myth. But clearly they have large beasts/dinosaurs/unicorns all over, so no big deal after all.

    We will probably never see the Mythosaur ever again in this show. lol
     
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  9. The Chalk Jedi

    The Chalk Jedi Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    Absolutely. I'm always amazed at all the people asking why the covert would live on a dangerous kaiju planet. As though the covert thinks the way middle-class Americans do. What a hoot!
     
  10. IG_2000

    IG_2000 Force Ghost star 4

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    That was season 4. Season 4 was peak clone wars.

    the first half of season 3 consisted of bizarre political episodes and oddities.
     
  11. Ahsoka's Tano

    Ahsoka's Tano Force Ghost star 7

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    I thought one of the more important episodes of Season 3 was when Padme visited her friend, who was a separatist; which was among those first half episodes following the Kamino ones.
     
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  12. Riv_Shiel

    Riv_Shiel Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    I think a lot of the most interesting parts of the relationship between Bo and Djarin are through Grogu. He brings Bo to Djarin in the first place. He makes her connect in her mind Djarin to her father. She takes on a pseudo-maternal relationship to him, which strengthens her connection to Djarin. The protectiveness Djarin has of Grogu (and in fact Grogu of Djarin, as well) expands to their relationship to Bo. Furthermore, such little emphasis is given to Grogu over the course of the season, that he would be hard pressed to be seen as distracting from anything.
    But he is a crime boss that doesn't launder money, because that would be wrong.
    The impression I got was that "the client" was a freelance warlord being used by Gideon as an intermediary, with Pershing as de facto liason. I don't think he was officially part of Gideon's chain of command. "The client" was working at somewhat cross purposes to Gideon. He tells Djarin the bounty is dead or alive, but Pershing objects. He tells IG-11 the bounty is dead only - presumably Pershing was not in the room when he handed out that fob. I was thinking back on this the other day, as I think the Shadow Council scene perhaps sheds new light on "the client"'s motivations. Perhaps he intended to foul Gideon's plans to prevent him from trying to ascend to Emperor. It would certainly explain why Gideon wants to eliminate him.
     
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  13. devilinthedetails

    devilinthedetails Fiendish Fanfic & SWTV Manager, Tech Admin star 6 Staff Member Administrator

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    Well said. Unfortunately, with Mandalorian Season 3, the show creators did--however unintentionally--especially invite that comparison between the critique of the democratic New Republic and the uncritical glorification of the violently militaristic Mandalorians. The episode where the New Republic refuses to provide any official aid to Navarro while the Mandalorians can spring into immediate action to save Navarro and earn the gratitude of that planet and its governor really juxtaposes that how that deconstruction of the representative government that is the New Republic occurs alongside the uncritical praise of everything Mandalorian. I think I even made the somewhat tongue in cheek observation that the New Republic needs to take notes from the Mandalorians on being effective in my review of that episode, and my tongue in cheek comment sort of perfectly illustrates the problem there.

    And that is not a one off situation either. We have basically the whole Dr. Pershing episode (which is almost an hour long) that is largely dedicated to critiquing the New Republic while there is no comparable episode devoted to critically analyzing any aspect of Mandalorian culture. It is all just, "Aren't the Mandalorians cool with their jet packs and helmets and encouraging toddlers who can't talk to fight?"

    We also have Moff Gideon and the other Imperials obviously not really being afraid of the New Republic at all or seeing it as a worthy adversary but treating the Mandalorians as this big threat that must be wiped out before the Mandalorians can unite on Mandalore.

    So the season just feels like one big puff piece on the Mandalorians.

    Honestly, I didn't mind the critique of the New Republic. It was probably one of the stronger parts of Season 3 for me.

    But I would have liked a comparable or even greater analysis of the flaws in the violently militaristic Mandalorian culture and a more in-depth look at Din dealing with the fact that he was basically lied to and brainwashed by an extremist, splinter cult of Mandalorians since he was a kid/foundling.

    So, it was disappointing for me to get nothing but a placing of Mandalorians on a pedestal for the most superficial of qualities (wearing jet packs and armor) and for being violently militaristic.

    In general, I think disappointing sums up this season for me.

    In the same way that Seasons 1 and 2 delivered unexpected enjoyment, Season 3 delivered unexpected disappointment.
     
  14. godisawesome

    godisawesome Skywalker Saga Undersheriff star 6 Staff Member Manager

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    I’m still bearing a grudge against the Armorer just because Din clearly desperately needs the Mandalorian equivalent of at least 4th Grade Social Studies lesson on “cultural geography” to not be painfully ignorant compared to his fellows, and we’re still kind of just rolling with “Bo Katan was technically a co-belligerent during the end of the Clone Wars, so that counts as a redemption arc, and please don’t ask about her politically and morally superior sister, or about how that sister had the better warriors and more honorable warrior Mandos on her side.”

    And again, one of the great ironies of the show seemingly wanting to avoid conflict between Mandos and just quickly unite them is maybe the one really good dramatic element of the hard core warrior cults of the Mandos - they provide great antagonists.

    I think if even one Mando show up in Season 4 who’s selling point is “Hey, he’s a great, glorious warrior by the standards Din was raised on, but he’s still a horrible person to the rest of the Galaxy, and Din has to put him down,” we’ll have done a better job covering Mandalroian culture and their fictional utility to Star Wars than this season did.
     
  15. Leoluca Randisi

    Leoluca Randisi Jedi Grand Master star 6

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    I'm gonna rewatch see if this is true I doubt it for me I bet after a binge of all.three Mandalorian season the quality is the same for all three seasons. I agree that people got spoiled by Andor and IMHO that's not fair all Star Wars feels different yet the same Tonaly!

    A theory I have is the reason for the ending with Mando being contracted out by the New Republic was to bring the Show back to its roots Mando and Grogu!

    A question for people who didn't like Mandalorian season 3 and The Book Of Boba Fett did you rewatch both and what was your feeling after re watching?
     
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  16. Lord-Skywalker

    Lord-Skywalker Hangman Host star 10 VIP - Game Host

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    After a second rewatch, I appreciate the aerial battle between the Mandalorians and Imperial Commandos even more. Reminiscent of Game of Thrones battles, charging each other with reckless abandon.
    Bo-Katan and the Armorer dominated the airways.
     
  17. Def Trooper

    Def Trooper Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    This is what frustrates me about most of the SW content we've gotten since at least BOBF. Lucasfilm is creating a situation where all the people who think Star Wars is goofy, nerdy schlock with no meaning other than "pew pew lasers" are actually 100% correct to assume that.

    I've loved SW my whole life but I'd sooner die than recommend this crap to my non-SW friends. This **** is downright embarrassing at times because I'm not expecting a hyper-gritty, sex-filled, gorefest like most "mature/adult" shows out there, but often times new Star Wars barely clears the bar for a toddler-level children's cartoon.

    Just like the ST reduced the main saga down to "X-Wing, Desert Planet, Death Star, Bad Guy Redemption", Mandalorians are just "Cool Helmet Man Shoot Lots of Stuff with Other Helmet People".

    I'm being buried by the dread that they will NEVER answer hard questions, NEVER deal with lasting consequences, NEVER even attempt complex character dynamics, or if they do any of that, they'll just immediately swerve to something totally different that nobody thought of or asked for. Just "cute baby weird alien laser sword shooty pew pew" is all they can do unless it's Andor, and I'm sure they'll find a way to ruin that by tying it into their big grand Star Wars MCU plan.
     
  18. Grizzlor

    Grizzlor Jedi Master star 1

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    it was a fun finale. however, to eliminate Gideon like that was absurd. such a disappointing and almost pointless season.
     
  19. The Regular Mustache

    The Regular Mustache Force Ghost star 6

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    Seriously was the point of the Grogu Order 66 flashback just to give the Jar Jar actor a hero moment because that flashback didn't give us any substantive information. It showed us that Grogu was rescued but we obviously already knew that. What was the narrative point of that?
     
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  20. Leoluca Randisi

    Leoluca Randisi Jedi Grand Master star 6

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    May be we find out in future seasons or Ashoka?
    The minute I saw the Mandos fly out of that crevice I could see the beautiful cinematography!
     
  21. Lulu Mars

    Lulu Mars Chosen One star 5

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    The mythosaurs are a significant part of ancient Mandalorian history and believed to be extinct. They have good reason to be mythological regardless of other lifeforms roaming that planet.

    Imagine if giant dinosaurs had lived today and whales had been extinct for 65 million years. Don't you think whales would've had a mythical air about them and filled people with awe when they saw their fossils?

    Besides, it's not like the Mandalorians aren't aware that there are loads of giant animals all over the galaxy. Mythosaurs are special because of their historical connection to them. That's all there is to it.
    Unless they have exceptional abilities that other giants don't have, in which case there is more to it.
     
  22. Riv_Shiel

    Riv_Shiel Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    I'm assuming that they are over the course of the show going to give us a little more information each time until they build up to how he got from the temple to where he was in the first episode. If the next flashback needs to start on Naboo or wherever they are going, this flashback was to give context to how he got there.
     
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  23. The Chalk Jedi

    The Chalk Jedi Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    People are angry at mythosaurs now too?
     
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  24. Pro Scoundrel

    Pro Scoundrel New Films Expert At Modding Casual star 6 Staff Member Manager

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    No one is angry at Mythosaurs.
     
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  25. The Chalk Jedi

    The Chalk Jedi Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    They are bad for Star Wars because the show hates us.