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Discussion The Mandalorian and Grogu - Releasing May 22, 2026

Discussion in 'Star Wars: Future Films - Spoilers Allowed' started by Darth Chiznuk, Dec 8, 2023.

  1. PymParticles

    PymParticles Manager Emeritus star 6 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    I think the only real explanation is that Dark Side users hold onto every scrap of life they can through sheer anger and hatred, whereas the Jedi are capable and willing of letting go to become one with the Force. It's hand-wavey, but it does thematic gel with the Sith seeing death as the ultimate destruction, versus Jedi seeing it as the beginning of a new form of existence in the Force.
     
  2. Pro Scoundrel

    Pro Scoundrel New Films Expert At Modding Casual star 6 Staff Member Manager

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    Qui-Gon was allergic to getting stabbed by a lightsaber. Most people can shake it off.
    Well, she wasn't a dark sider/Sith when she was first stabbed, and only Plagueis was supposed to have learned the immortality trick, but it doesn't matter. This debate will go on forever.

    Some fans are simply ok with it, and others aren't.
     
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  3. PymParticles

    PymParticles Manager Emeritus star 6 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    You're forgetting that most children are innately evil by nature :p

    But yeah no, that's a good point regarding her as a youngling. The Plagueis side of things is weird, but I don't know if it's directly related to people like Maul or Reva keeping themselves alive. The immortality promise was kind of a scam to begin with, since Palpatine kind of lied about knowing the secret, and we're not entirely sure what the secret of immortality Plagueis discovered is. It clearly wasn't comprehensive, since he was murdered in his sleep, and we don't really have any details on him keeping other people alive. The TRoS novelization indicates that the "secret" was the method Palpatine used to transfer his consciousness/soul from his original body to the cloned one, but... that's just getting into the weeds of canonic nerdery, and like you said, that debate is just going to continue.
     
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  4. Pro Scoundrel

    Pro Scoundrel New Films Expert At Modding Casual star 6 Staff Member Manager

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    This is the best argument I've seen so far. :)
     
  5. Sarge

    Sarge 7x Wacky Wednesday winner star 10 VIP - Game Winner

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    No he didn't. [face_talk_hand][face_not_talking]
    LALALALALALALALALALALALALA
     
  6. Happy Sando

    Happy Sando Jedi Master star 4

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    According to the reference book Dawn of the Rebellion written by Pablo Hidalgo and Emily Shkoukani, Reva's midriff had "cybernetic replacements" which were installed "some time after [she was] impaled during the Purge".

    I'm a huge proponent of anger and hatred sustaining Force users beyond death, but the fact remains, Reva had cyber-guts, just like Fennec.
     
  7. Pro Scoundrel

    Pro Scoundrel New Films Expert At Modding Casual star 6 Staff Member Manager

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    The only thing more powerful than a Sith is...

    MECHA-SITH!!!

    MechaSith.jpg

    Considered to be...unnatural.
     
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  8. godisawesome

    godisawesome Skywalker Saga Undersheriff star 6 Staff Member Manager

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    I’m a bit off from that - I’m hoping it’s not just going to double down on “simple adventure of the week” formula, even if I have complete faith that the spectacle will likely be good regardless.

    In fact, that’s probably the thing - The Mandalorian does spectacle so often and so well that it’s not really notable by itself anymore. A gladiator Hutt appearing an Adeventure of the week is a fun idea… but it doesn’t make a movie plot in Din’s Saga by itself. Heck, I’d argue that level of idea, even if it has Sigourney Weaver show up as a guest star, doesn’t make much of a remarkable episode premise - see Jack Black and Lizzo on a planet of reprogrammed droids.

    Andor makes me miss The Believer and the headier days of Season 2 realizing it could have the weekly adventures but still be a more thoroughly serialized story with at least some slim ghost of a story for Din and Grogu beyond “Man With No Name” nostalgia and Grogu being cute.

    …And I still sort of resent how Din being an uneducated and unaware rube about his own people is apparently supposed to be a feature, not a bug, after Andor just emphasized the sheer drama of just showing the line between awareness and willful denial of reality.
     
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  9. Intergalactic Lawman

    Intergalactic Lawman Jedi Master star 3

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    I think this film is going to suffer as a result of Andor being amazing.

    Fans now REALLY know what talented people are capable of creating! Ihink it's going to be silly in comparison...

    I watched the clip of Mando destroying all those Snowtroopers with ease. It's a scene we have seen a thousand times that has zero tension or stakes.
     
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  10. ezekiel22x

    ezekiel22x Chosen One star 5

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    Grogu needs to skulk around while wearing a cool jacket.
     
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  11. godisawesome

    godisawesome Skywalker Saga Undersheriff star 6 Staff Member Manager

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    I still think the bigger shadow for the characters is actually themselves in Season 1 and 2 - Andor will cats a shadow over all the Disney-era properties, but at least some of the properties can kind of “plead ignorance” as to what they could do to raise their game, while Favreau showed he can do some barebones character work and more-than-an-adventure-of-the-week types of epic in Seasons 1& 2… but seemed to want to reduce the story to strictly episodic adventures in Season 3.

    Seriously, that almost feels like Season 3’s “almost thesis” statement - that stiffer serialization and character exploration was too hard and would get in the way of the formula in Favreau’s opinion, and that the purpose of the two-parter finale was getting Din and Grogu away from the potential complexity and scale of a true exploration of Mandalorian culture and politics.

    And I still have some minor anxiety that the movie will be only equal to, say, the Season 2 opener - big on spectacle, but almost only big on spectacle - and therefore sort of redundant when so much of the series available on D+ has equal spectacle but more story.
     
  12. SyndicThrass

    SyndicThrass Force Ghost star 5

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    They’re different approaches to Star Wars. Andor plays like a James Luceno novel done in live action, whilst Favreau’s stuff leans more on the pulp-actiony Buck Rogers heritage of the original films.

    But in saying that, these Mandoverse shows aren’t entirely absent from some of the nuance and depth of the Andor style. When the series touched on the post-war trauma of Imperial atrocities and fanaticism it gets into some meaty areas. We saw this in the Believer, which I think was on par with the kind of material Gilroy and co were doing.

    Though whether Favreau can translate that into a film structure is a whole other thing.
     
  13. godisawesome

    godisawesome Skywalker Saga Undersheriff star 6 Staff Member Manager

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    Given the very film-like nature of some of the multi-part arcs in Season One and Two, I think Favreau *can* translate some dramatic meat into a film if he wants to - and of course, he’s a prolific director outside of Star Wars as well.

    It’s more a question of if he *wants* to - especially since there’s still a bit of whiplash from what certainly felt like some strong “seed planting” in Season 2 and TBOBF for a deeper exploration of Din’s perspective of the Galaxy and the traumas therein suddenly being dropped by Season 3… and stuff like Morrison noting he was originally scheduled for Season 3 might hint at Favreau simply getting cold feet in production.

    Of course, it could just be that he got annoyed with trying to write Mandalorians seriously as a culture, rather than Din as a character - especially if he had a soft spot for Bo Katan and the Armorer, two characters with some very dubious elements to their known and implied backstory that don’t paint them quite as virtuous as he may have delighted in them being.
     
  14. Bor Mullet

    Bor Mullet Force Ghost star 8

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    Where’s this clip?
     
  15. The Chalk Jedi

    The Chalk Jedi Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    Well, we don't really know if it has stakes until we see the movie, to be fair.

    But I understand your point, and it will be interesting to see how people react to a presumably big tone and style shift with the Mandalorian movie.

    I think a fun spectacle may be a good change of pace for many after the serious tone of Andor, and since this is a theatre release, it will likely benefit from people just looking for a good time.

    I'm not certain it's fair to compare a story about a cute puppet to a show like Andor. People's expectations will be different.
     
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  16. Intergalactic Lawman

    Intergalactic Lawman Jedi Master star 3

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    It's the celebration one. You should be able to find it easy enough :cool:
     
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  17. The Regular Mustache

    The Regular Mustache Force Ghost star 6

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    I've heard that some people are saying snippets of it may or may not be on Youtube.
     
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  18. Bor Mullet

    Bor Mullet Force Ghost star 8

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    Thanks. Saw it. Looks just…OK.
     
  19. The Regular Mustache

    The Regular Mustache Force Ghost star 6

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    Yep. It is what it is.
     
  20. SyndicThrass

    SyndicThrass Force Ghost star 5

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    I’ll admit the rumours and snippets we’ve seen and heard from the film give the impression that it’s a TCW style adventure series of the week and that has me very cautious about the film.

    But I’m holding out a slither of hope for them to delve into the Imperial Remnant to a greater extent in the ramp up to what Filoni’s doing. In the confines of a singular film I’m not sure if there’s the narrative room to try and backpedal or redo any of the Mandalore story, whereas the Imperials are easier thematic vein to tap.
     
  21. The Regular Mustache

    The Regular Mustache Force Ghost star 6

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    I have a feeling this movie is going to come across as two episodes of the show that they happen to play in theaters. Does it have a narrative reason to exist as a film or is it just a cash grab? It feels desperate. After the mixed results of the ST it feels like they are playing it safe by releasing this a movie. What's the hook?
     
  22. Happy Sando

    Happy Sando Jedi Master star 4

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  23. Cos Palpatine

    Cos Palpatine Jedi Master star 4

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    The latter is most definitely true otherwise we'd be getting TM S4 and not TM&G. However the former could also be true as well, it just depends on how Favreau writes and executes it. I hope he pulls it off, after all who doesn't want a great SW film?
     
  24. ezekiel22x

    ezekiel22x Chosen One star 5

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    Not fair to Andor. Grogu is in the big leagues. :p
     
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  25. darthfettus2015

    darthfettus2015 Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    Star wars needs the big screen no matter what happens.
     
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