Lit The Morality of Empire in Legends

That's his reason given to Pellaeon for retreating and not throwing away Imperial forces after a loss.

Not quite the same thing as "excusing his own mistakes".

 

I think another thing that comes into mind when analyzing why Legends Empire developed the way it did compared to NuCano Empire is that well NuCanon Empire also had all the story of the Prequels now to go of off

Legends Empire really was operating under just the OT trilogy and didn't have much in terms of backstory since well...there wasn't any

 

At this point we're talking about different things entirely because in no case did Pieterson start demanding wasting troops etc. to go after Luke who he lost.

@Iron_lord To put it bluntly, Pieterson was honest in that "he wasn't trained to foresee" Luke's trick. Just because Thrawn is too proud to say the same thing that he couldn't foresee Lando's mole miner trick doesn't make him "not an excuse maker". It just makes him more dishonest.

 

Keep in mind that when Zahn was writing, the Imperial Ruling Council hadn't yet been invented. I'm not sure if the upcoming Dark Empire had been gone into detail with Zahn when Heir to the Empire was being written, either.

 

Wasn't the Imperial Ruling Council a Crimson Empire thing?

 

One thing that doesn't seem to quite fit is how Pellaeon in Legends contemplates that credits were wasted on superweapons like the Death Star, and the implication is that Thrawn agrees with him. We're supposed to assume Thrawn's plan to stop the Vong was to clone massive armies and then use the Katana fleet and other fleets to stop the Vong.

Yet when Luke is actually fighting the Vong wars, his biggest regret isn't not cloning people or having more ships etc. His regret is in having destroyed the Galaxy Gun, which he claims would have blown the Vong to bits (it's in one of the Essential guides).

It just seems very strange that Thrawn would shy away from the very superweapons we're later shown would have been more effective against the Vong than whatever Thrawn was up to in his trilogy.

 

Yup - but there being one before that, that Thrawn at least in theory reported to, was an idea not introduced till long after The Thrawn Trilogy came out - I think in The Essential Atlas.

That was probably very late in the war. There's a strong theme of "superweapons even against the Vong would have been a Bad Thing" early on with Dark Tide.

 

You know makes you wonder in theory what Thrawn would have done if he hypothetically won the Campaign. He was already making plans for Joruuus and cloning the clone. But I can't see Thrawn giving up power to anyone because he probably doesn't trust anyone either than himself to rule.

@GrandAdmiralJello

Diversity in terms of Humans or political leanings...Or both?

 

There's an in-universe theory that Palpatine did tell Thrawn, and that Thrawn's return from the Unknown Regions was at Palpatine's behest - but that was voiced by revisionists. It may be outright contradicted by the Dark Empire Sourcebook.

 

Wookiees still get the "treated as beasts of burden or as wild beasts" treatment in the Aftermath books and Solo.

 

On diversity, I don't think Canon has explained why ANH and ESB's Rebel bases were all human given the diverse Rebel origins seen in Rebels? At least in Legends, the founding members, Corellia, Alderaan, and Chandrila, were all humans which sort of provides an explanation.

 

The alien members are in the backroom

 

Rogue One shows us alien personnel on Yavin IV. Most of them died in the Battle of Scarif though.

 

I mean whether or not Thrawn leads the First Order directly I'm 50/50 on I do hope that his actions in NuCanon Post Endor world have some consequence over Palpatine NuCanon Dark Empire scheme playing out in some form

Especially if certain rumors come to light

 

Coruscant Nights, a post-PT Legends work, still used it.

 

Which is the point I was making - that the PT didn't make Invisec impossible - just difficult.

 

I wouldn't be surprised if the lower levels of Coruscant, already portrayed as being rough in the PT, were labeled Invisec and then all new alien migrants were tossed there.

 

Didn't Cole already say these were mercs and Pirates? But again it is possible this was JUST a Daala push and when she went so did they

We never seen a single Alien in any posistion of Power in NJO or Post-NJO.

HoT, is a love letter to space-nazis and a middle finger to Democracy. The entire plot is that the NR is so racist against Bothans that all it takes is one document to set them off on a war.

I think in HoT the Empire is like the post civil-war America, no slaves but the oppressed are FAR from equal. Since again even 100 years after NJO there all of TWO high ranking Alien officers (one Chiss Moff and One Kel Dor admiral).

@Sinrebirth

Except Rommell wasn't a party to any atrocities. Thrawn actively continued the treatment of the Nogri just because he could. Thrawn was never 'good' or a nicer Imperial, he was as bad as they came

@sidv88

Also in Dark Lord: Rise of Darth Vader, the Empire makes the excuse of the Wookies harbouring Jedi to invade. I also think some of the elary slavery was called 'prison labour'