Games The NEW (12th) Jedi Draft!!- Return Of The Revenge Of The Draft (now in progress!)

oh yea, numbers in as of sometime this afternoon

 

Hmm...I'll have an argument up tonight or tomorrow morning. Those are interesting fights to be sure.

 

Darth Traya > Zekk.

That is all.

 

Initial leans ...

Traya
Trump
Saba
Kota
Bane
Trump

Skywalker
?????
Trump 1
Trump 2
Skywalker
Trump

 

on the kerra/trump fight, i'm pretty sure ben could probably win that on his own at this point so no arguments from me.

on the lumi/offee trump, i really don't even remotely see how roan fel can win that one. so looks like we're going to be 2-2.

 

Much as I like Legacy as a series, Krayt's Sith are about as threatening as Stormtroopers against the Big Three during the trilogy, useful only for dying in dozens, and the most notable thing about Tsui Choi is his getting gunned down by Vader's pet troopers. They're simply outclassed here against people from a much higher power tier than they're accustomed to facing.

 

I really don't understand preparing Skywalker, what a complete waste of that prep.

 

I think it's so he has time to go to pick up power convertors before the match

 

might be one of the non-submitted sets of numbers.

 

I can use prep how I want to!!! Lol

 

Clarification .. Is K'Krukh riding Thon into battle?

 

Okay, I guess I have my work cut out for me to prove Jaden>Saba don't I?

Well, to start I'll list off Jaden's various feats like I do with any argument I do.

1. Built a lightsaber before he had any Jedi training. Considering this is enough of a feat to get him a one-way ticket to Yavin, its supposedly quite impressive. Of course, with Crosscurrent/Riptide making it clear he's a clone, it just shows he still retains enough Jedi training despite not actually remembering 'his' 'former' life (I don't believe we are ever told who he's a clone of though).

2. The whole Disciples of Ragnos debacle. Divided as such:

2.1: Fighting through the enemies on Yavin (including at least one lightsaber user (IIRC)) with no training. Aside from the aforementioned clone bit. Even with the fact that it was just Stormtroopers and a (relatively) weak Cultist/Reborn, the fact it was with no training makes it more impressive.

2.2: Several other events happened (or can happen) after that, but the next one that actually bears mentioning is the mission to Corellia. Fighting through mercenaries and three Dark Jedi, all still rather early in Jaden's Jedi career.

2.3: Vjun. Weak as Rosh and his buddies were, the fact is that Jaden beat all three of them, and did so despite the fact he was conflicted about fighting Rosh in the first place.

2.4: The various missions after his promotion to Knight. Numerous, numerous Dark Jedi/Cultists/New Reborn. Unlike, say, Starkiller, this is a point in Jaden's favor that he can kill so many Force Users on his own. He doesn't do it in over the top ways (such as throwing a TIE at them), he just kills them in lightsaber combat or with mundane (aside from lightning) Force powers. Somewhat equivalent to a (named) Legacy Jedi killing a bunch of One Sith mooks.

2.5: The famous encounter with Boba Fett. Jaden is one of the few Jedi who can say they fought against Boba in his prime, and won.

2.6: Alora. Weak fighter she may be, but this is still a feat in Jaden's camp.

2.7: Battle of Korriban. Basically all the Dark Siders Jaden had fought up to this point, ganging up on him and a bunch of other Jedi. And several of these DS users are quite capable of killing these Jedi. The New Reborn Masters can take on multiple Jedi at once and come out on top. Jaden on the other hand, is more than a match for them. Jaden fights through all these enemies with help (somewhat minor help at that) from the other Jedi, until he reaches Tavion. And proceeds to curb-stomp her, both on her own, and supercharged by Ragnos. And this is after fighting his way through the aforementioned New Reborn, which meant that Jaden was likely tired out from all this fighting.

Thus ends that part of his career. Game it may be, but Academy is better than TFU in that regard, since Jaden doesn't do anything other Jedi aren't capable of (like crushing an AT-ST or the infamous Star Destroyer), he just is that much more powerful than them. And then you think about the fact Jaden goes from zero-training, to full on Knight in under a year. Even in the NJO that's very impressive.

Moving on though, we have the fact this happened in 14 ABY. Saba doesn't turn up till the Diversity Alliance, which is in 23 ABY. So Jaden has nearly a decade of experience over her, and that's nothing to sneeze at. Especially when we think he has been fighting lightsaber and Force wielders since the very beginning of his Jedi career. Sadly we don't have anything on Jaden during the Vong War (unlike Saba) but the very fact he survived a war where half of the Jedi Order was wiped out speaks in his favor.

As does the fact that after the war he was offered the chance to become a Master, much like Saba. Jaden only turned it down due to the doubts he was ready for it. That doesn't have any effect on his combat performance though, since he was (at least in that regard) well past the point where he could become a Master.

While we don't see much of him in the Second GCW, we know he was one of the Jedi chosen for the attack on Centerpoint, which shows the Council still has trust in him, despite his own doubts. And further on in the war we have Crosscurrent/Riptide. Jaden fights a clone of Kam Solusar, winning that fight. Then he fights a clone of Kyle Katarn and a clone of himself. He loses that fight, but its a trump of his former master and himself, so I give him a bit of leniency in that regard. It helps that later on in Riptide, he is floating in space, and blocks laser fire from a ship with nothing but his lightsaber.

That is all we have on Jaden so far. And personally, I think its just enough to put him over Saba in this fight. Sure, Saba is said to be extremely powerful (and I'm inclined to believe that) but her best feats are:

1. Fighting Welk to a draw (though granted that was when she couldn't sense him in the Force)

2. Her fight with Jacen/Caedus (again ending up rather badly injured).

3. Knocking the Snipers on the Solo senseless with a 'slight' exertion in the Force (something Jaden is well-capable of himself)

4. Killing Hamner. She wasn't trying to kill him, and Kenth isn't exactly an impressive fighter any more than Alora is (since we know so little about what he is capable of). Though admittedly I could be wrong about that, and the fact she could hold him dozens of feet above the ground, and do so with a wound to the gut is impressive.

Then we have what is said about her. Like Caedus considering her a threat to him. I would be inclined to believe this, but the one time they fight Jacen is able to knock her into the crew pit of the Solo with an exploding YVH droid, not exactly a ringing endorsement other than the fact she survived said fight. And she didn't even technically fight him. She was busy with the droids.

Saba's main advantages here seem to be her innate physical strength, and her uniquely high sensory abilities. The former is something Jaden can compensate for, the latter is something that does give Saba a large advantage. But with everything Jaden has been through, I don't believe it is enough of an edge. All in all, I think Jaden is capable of taking Saba in this fight.



Since long arguments seem to have become my calling card ( ) I'm just linking to my last Kol/Wolf argument ( HERE ), with a couple small changes since its Bilaba and Keto not Bulq.

Bilaba is powerful yes, but she isn't as strong as Bulq is. We see a lot less out of her, and mastering Vaapad doesn't make them an insta-trump buster. If Sora can't bust Kol/Wolf, Bilaba certainly can't. And Keto is a bit of a non-factor compared to even Wolf, let alone Kol. She was trained by Cin Dralig, but much like her master, we don't see the results of this.

Personally, I don't think they have enough to bust a trump of this cohesion and power, anymore than Bulq did.


(finally done. I really need to get faster at this)

 

Except I haven't read it yet

 

Same, I'll just have to do some research on it.

I'll have arguments up for Pong Krell/Maris Brood and Darth Plagueis tomorrow.

 

Rex Sundale.

 

jaden is not better than saba.


also, whitey, love the team name. edit: and also, the whole team! holy crap, dude!

 

saba went hunting the lost tribe sith, and we've seen enough of even their pooka's to know they aren't precisely week. you kinda forgot to mention that. oh. and she killed an abeloth on her own in apocalypse. with two broken arms. jaden is not beating saba. just not happening, not with lightsaber and force only. if he had access to all of his kyle katarn type toys, then i'd think maybe.

 

I said I might have missed something (I think, maybe I missed that ).

I haven't read the most recent FOTJ books, so I had to work with what I have read.

 

ah, if you haven't read them then that's understandable.

oh, you can also include fighting through the jedi temple with tahiri and six (maybe it was seven? don't remember exactly) void jumpers when outnumbered by the sith by a stupid amount. i THINK the original number of sith in the temple were 5k, with a fair number of them scattering over the planet. but there were still several thousand in the temple when they did that. and that taking days. and this after she'd been hunting other sith that were undercover and such for what amounts to weeks before that.

 

dunno heels. do you copy/paste it? if so then it's probably a mistake that way, or someone elses.