Games The NEW (12th) Jedi Draft!!- Return Of The Revenge Of The Draft (now in progress!)

Revan and the Exile need no introduction. Arguments have been made for Shaak Ti, Gnost-Dural, Sarro Xaj and Raskta Lsu, Ven Zallow, and Rahm Kota already. Aryn Leneer and Darrus Jeht, alas, have not yet had the chance to prove themselves (despite both being truly incredible combatants), which means I have a great deal of writing to do right now.

Darrus Jeht:

Not many people have what it takes to hold back in a lightsaber duel against another Jedi master.

Darrus, like many members of my team, is quite accustomed to fighting multiple opponents simultaneously, which we will see again shortly, and a second blade is a standard part of his arsenal.

That's Asajj Ventress getting a swamp dumped on her head, by the way.

And getting flung around like a pinball having a really bad day.

Let's get this straight. Forget Gnost-Dural not being bothered in the slightest by his own burning flesh, Jeht has a hole straight up drilled through his lung and it just makes him angry.

Advanced Recon Commandos. The best the Grand Army of the Republic has to offer, in the middle of executing Order 66. And failing miserably. Jeht doesn't just survive 66, he slaughters his bodyguards when they turn on him.

Aryn Leneer:

Aryn Leneer, ladies and gentlemen. Jumping out of exploding spaceships from fifty kilometers up? No problem when you've got the Force on your side. For the record, passenger jets aren't normally going to above twelve. The highest skydive on record doesn't quite make forty, and that guy had a parachute.

Remember Malgus? TOR's resident Darth Vader? Goes one-on-one against Satele Shan? Not doing so well, here. Also, Aryn is apparently some sort of superhuman leapfrog, hopping fifty meters like it's nothing and flinging Malgus in his tanksuit twenty meters away with one hand.

So, let's sum it all up. Just about anyone one on my team is more than capable of hanging with almost anyone on the opposing team short of Sidious and Vitiate, one-on-one. Guys like Andeddu, Odion, Nadd? They're not even speedbumps. They're fishbait. Thanksgiving dinner. Pumpkins carved up for Halloween. Chopped liver. We ooze cohesion. Zallow/Aryn, master/apprentice, and Gnost-Dural's a fellow TORJedi. Xaj/Lsu, master/apprentice and tag-team champions of all time (not to mention reigning bodycount recordholders). Darrus, Shaak, and Kota are all veterans and survivors of the Clone Wars. They can all sit around for five minutes and bond over battle scars and old duels, and then get down to the business of plotting the enemy's demise, and we're all good.

Revan and the Exile are, well, Revan and the Exile. We've got us some handy mobile Battle Meditation to throw on top of a team of like-minded Jedi with zero personality clashes and extensive combat experience against other lightsaber-wielders. They all know exactly what they're getting into, and they've got the skills to divide and conquer effectively. Every single one of them has either gone head-to-head with top-notch dark side talent (Bane, Zannah, Malgus, Starkiller, all Sith of the absolute highest tier), or cut their way through multiple lightsaber-wielding opponents at the same time. In several cases, they've done both.

I'm not going to sell Sids and Vit short: they're incredible, both, and getting the two of them on the same team is nothing short of a miracle. Nothing I can say will reduce their value. But the rest of the team? They're inconsistent. They're hit-and-miss. They don't play well with others. You've got a zombie, an ex-Jedi, an omnicidal lunatic, a cyborg killing machine that doesn't really care who gets in the way, and probably the two single largest egos in the draft side-by-side (I mean, really, Vit basically thinks he's god). Three if you throw in Krayt, but he's probably smart enough to know when he's way out of his league.

Whether or not that's enough to take down a ten-Jedi trump including some of the best fighters in Jedi history, I'll leave up to the judges.

 

Freedon's Nadds Go To Sith Beach:
Darth Sidious
Darth Vitiate
Darth Traya
Exar Kun
Darth Krayt
Lord Nyax
Freedon Nadd
Sora Bulq
Odion
Darth Andeddu


-VS-

The Orange Box:
Revan
Exile
Shaak Ti
Gnost-Dural
Sarro Xaj
Raskta Lsu
Ven Zallow
Darrus Jeht
Aryn Leneer
Rahm Kota


Well, The Orange Box is nice, but they are severely lacking in the top end department. Especially when you consider that Revan and Exile were put down hard by Vitiate. Revan confronted the Sith Emperor mono a mono, and in the few minutes before Exile and Scourge had shown up Revan was already defeated, and the Emperor didn't even need to pull out any kind of weapon to do that.

So we know this for a fact because it actually happened before, Vitiate > than Revan/Exile. My 4th round pick takes out Orange Box's two strongest picks single handed, and without a lot of trouble really.

Then we have Sidious, who nobody on that team is close to in terms of power and skill.

Shaak Ti could maybe stalemate either Krayt or Kun for a bit, but I honestly don't see her beating either one in a one on one fight.

Raskta and Xaj are impressive, no doubt about that, but in order to achieve that level of greatness they needed an extremely good bm artist at their back....which they don't have. On the flip side of that I do have the best around, and a lot of highly durable and skilled meat shields as well.

Really the biggest knock against The Orange Box is that the top talent is proven to be beatable by Vitiate, and they really have no other counters for Sidious, Kun or Krayt.

 

i have to say, i really wonder how far that loss to vitiate knocks revan and exile down the totem pole. is revan even still a number one pick at this point? or does that mean vitiate deserves to be a number one level pick as well? kinda creates some problems in regards to how good each of them actually is.

 

Since we take everyone at their peak performance, I'd say it elevates Vitiate to first rounder, easily.

 

but this raises a very good question of what is revan and exile's actual peak? it would suggest that maybe it's not as high as anyone thought it was, non?

 

Have you actually read Revan? Because pretty much everybody puts in a great showing in that fight.

 

yes, i have. what i'm suggesting is that maybe the peak during that time period wasn't actually as high as what we're thinking it was. because if revan is still a first rounder, that puts vitiate at about the level of luke and sids pretty much. and somehow, that doesn't strike me as the most accurate in the world. so to me, it suggests that the peak of the time period was potentially lower.

 

No, that strikes me as perfectly accurate. Malgus is Vader, and Vitiate is the Sidious of TOR. The final boss. The first round is exactly where he belongs.

 

*shrugs* it's pretty much just personal opinion, and i'm not a judge, so...

just figured i'd put it out there and see what other people thought.

 

The most interesting thing I find about that duel is that, despite Vitiate's overwhelming power, it makes it clear that he can be surprised, he can be pushed back, he can be caught off-guard, and he can be killed.

Considering his treatment as a godlike entity, that says a lot about their skills, especially since Revan did quite well in his one-on-one, even if it didn't end in his favor.

As terrible a followup to KotoR as it may be, I don't think the novel has reduced their value any.

 

must admit, i'm interested in what someone who's not in this particular match has to say about it.

don't really have that much else to say, like i said just curious what other people thought about it tli. just happened to be during this particular team fight, wasn't really trying to influence things to either side at all. if i'd thought about it earlier i'd have said something earlier.

 

If losing to Sithperor hurts Revan/Exile's stock any, really depends on your point of view. Sure, they aren't top-dog in that era anymore, but to face someone who is arguably one of the most powerful Sith and do as well as they did....still means they are perfectly okay in the first round.

Maybe not as high-level as before, but still top-tier.

 

Losing to Vitiate doesn't diminish anything that Revan or Exile did prior to that, so I don't see why they would be knocked out of a 1st round raking (at least Revan, Exile never was IMHO). Revan is still an extremely good pick, it is unfortunate that he was used as the sacrificial lamb to introduce us to Vitiate, but still doesn't really make him weaker at all.

Vitiate has consistently been described as the most powerful Sith around, both in the way other in-universe characters talk about him and based on his feats. Though there aren't many feats of his, the ones we have are all top notch.

 

TLI ... Good arguments. But, the top of Sith Beach is just too, too stacked. A perfectly constructed team could take them down. Orange Box is close, but not quite perfect. I give it to Sith Beach.

 

My numbers are in.

 

Mine will be in once I'm out of class for the day.

 

numbers in as of yesterday.

time to lose one.

 

Yeah, mine are in too.


Looking forward to when we start the matches.

 

Looking forward to them.

Maybe I'll actually get a chance to argue Ferus again if he avoids Plagueis!

 

Hope we see some increased momentum in here soon.

 

Err...heels1785 that should be Celeste paired with Zayne, not Kol

EDIT: And arguments will be up tonight.