ST The New Definitely Not Improved Even More Horrible Than The Last Two Rumors Thread

Kylo needs a story, Rey needs a story, Finn needs a story. Anyone see a pattern here?

E8 really needed to world build since all JJ did was set things up for that. Subversion would have been fine if we already had enough worldbuilding. But those two back to back, mere set up and mere subversion, really have left us with a whole bunch of nada.

If Rey was going to be unrelated to the old heroes and with horrible parents, that's what we should have started with. If they want us to understand where Kylo is headed, we need to know where he's coming from. Similar thing with Finn: escaping his programming doesn't seem to have affected him much. He's not traumatized in any visible way. But what does he want to become? Does he want to be with Rey? Does he want to be a hero? If so, why?

I really want to like these characters but it's difficult when you don't know who they are and where their arc is headed and how to feel about it.

 

There's an interview with Richard E Grant in The Daily Telegraph (UK paper).

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/films/0...rview-told-play-star-wars-room-turned-upside/

Grant is quoted on the audition process for Episode IX: “I got 10 pages of script from a Forties British war film, three scenes in total, and had to video myself doing them on an iPad. Then you send it off, and feel like you’re never going to hear anything about it ever again. I got a call two months later to say a car was going to pick me up and take me to Pinewood Studios to meet the director, JJ Abrams. Which was odd, because I still had no idea what he was going to direct me as."

When Grant arrived he was ushered into a room with Abrams and Daisy Ridley "surrounded by all this Star Wars memorabilia going back to 1977" . Grant is quoted as saying that Abrams described the part and told Grant the character name, "at which point the room went upside down."

The article also claims the trailer and title will be revealed in April.

 

Just in case anyone thinks Grant was shocked to find out who he was playing, the actual quote is;

"Then he described the part, and I think he told me what my name was, at which point the room went upside down."

So, it's just the shock of being in Star Wars itself rather than him getting to play an iconic character.

 

This is the guy that has been on the money with Marvel trailer releases and other "scoop news". It looks like he's teasing a cache of casting lists on twitter to get people to join his patreon. However some of the leaks (Xforce and Green Latern) look very detailed. This guy is legit, so we can safely say this is an overall movie industry leak. He posted this image but nothing more. However, if he has the IX cast list, there's a chance he has the character names as well?

 

It's funny, how with this ST we so much want to know the villain's backstory. Is it because he is Han and Leia's son? Because he's got almost as much on screen time as the protagonist? Or is it because there's actually nothing else in this ST that makes it really captivating? I can speak only for myself of course, but I remember that when I watched the OT, I didn't give a real damn about Darth Vador's backstory; knowing that he used to be Luke's father was more than enough for me... I wasn't frustrated because we didn't have more backstory about him, but I also remember that Luke's story was enough interesting to keep me away from Vader's. As Han and Leia's was, for that matter. Han Solo, who was he, where did he come from? I didn't care about knowing that, yet you may laugh, but even today when I watch the OT, I still feel for Han when he's put in carbonite... With this ST, we need a backstory to actually empathy with its heroes... Isn't it a shame? I would personnally not blame only RJ for that. I think the characters were already superficially treated in TFA, for most of them. RJ actually tried to give Rey a bit of depth that she was lacking in TFA; but he failed with Finn and Poe, as he failed to convince me that Rey had anything to do in this story. So somehow, I agree with Kylo, she has no place here... at least as long as we don't have more informations about her and why she should give her life to a cause she knows nothing of, and to people she befriended with two days ago.

The thing is, maybe this last thing I just pointed out is all wanted: RJ may have wanted us to have this "WTF" feeling about Rey, just to keep us hanging on till Ep IX, because this revelation can only happen in the last episode. Let's imagine that all lies in the mysterious bond she has with Kylo/Ben for instance: if it had been revealed in EP VIII, what would be left for Ep IX? So I keep hope that the third episode will tie everything together...

 

The backstories will come, with tons of books, series, even Spin offs, AFTER the ST is done. Tons of Stories about young Ben and Luke, young Rey, the unknown regions, Snokes origins, even the Kor maybe. Its genius, with the Saga ending but SW and the money Machine living forever in eternity. Its glorious. I'm looking forward to.

 

So, what are we going to see in Ep IX? the Resistance winning over the FO with the help of the new awesome Jedi who doesn't even know why she's here, but is here anyways because SW needs a hero?

Seriously, if we shouldn't expect any backstory, any explanation for what we've seen so far, what are we supposed to expect ? some light saber fights and a boring remake of ROTJ?

 

The resolving of the gray through refined Jedi sight I guess.
I think the Saga needs a proper ending with FO and Resistance working together somehow (with the help of Finn on soldier side), with Peace and not Rey rebuilding an order but coexistence of ALL forceusers and beings in the galaxy.
Her way will and should be very different.

 

That's...yeah....pretty much. Don't know what else to say except that Finn, of all, got his early development established. We can go straight into his recruiting stormtroopers and it would be a complete circle.

What would fill out the story is an episode 9 where we have more development showing some flashbacks, Kylo as a now ruthless and unbeatable dark sider, and Rey in despair searching for who she is and where she came from and WHY her parents were so awful. Then an episode 10 to have the final showdown. IX can do all of that if done right (hear us JJ?) but it has to do some MAJOR HEAVY lifting.

@jujukane They can't assign homework to find out about backstories of THE major characters. That's just not how things work. 99% of people go to the movies to see the stories on the big screen and not to go home and "read more about it". It's like telling people "if you want to find out more about these characters after the movie's over, google it".

 

The ST will end very hollow if you don't throw in some more backstories to justify at least Rey and Kylo.

JJ opened several mystery box in TFA and seemed to think it would be explored down the line. Now we are on the 3rd film, to say ah well that idea was a flop, I feel would be a bad idea.

 

Someone has to go to Tatooine in EP9. Rey is the only obvious candidate. The question is why would she go there? The Hutts? Scrounging around Obi's old hut? Personal interest in her past? or something to do with the Rebellion? Or something to do with the Jedi?

Agreed

Rey nobody is the most convoluted. I am at the bargaining point either Rey Sky or Rey Kenobes will suffice to redeem her story.

Exactly!

Rey random story needs detailed exposition as Harry Potter got in Philosophers Stone.


Richard E. Grant. Does resemble Alec Guinness just a tad. Throws bomb... waiting for incoming

 

I fully agree with those saying that Rey Random would have worked best if that were the story to begin with. THEN they could fill in some more details later by telling us that she's not completely random and that there is some jedi/Force in her ancestry.

I don't REALLY think that those saying they don't want Rey and Kylo's backstory honestly feel that way. I can't imagine people not wanting a story and just going wtih, as I said, a Michael Bay type non-stop battle movie.

@Mila Lazarus yes the main reason we want to see Kylo's backstory is that he is Han and Leia's son. That and the fact that we know he has a mysterious connection with Rey, our hero. Likewise, we need to know more about Rey's backstory because she's been "chosen" as someone special, had those visions when she touched THE Skywalker lightsaber, and clearly has significance in the Skywalker family (especially Kylo).

 

There is not enough time. They have to tell a story in 9, there is not much place for backstories. There will be one or two new informations/revelations and thats it. TLJ style. You cant spend half of the movie in flashbacks for everyone. It will be a nice story and GA will be fine with it. For the fans, well they will gladly do their homework. Especially if its a new series or new spin offs. Ca ching

 

You DO realize that die-hard fans aren't the only ones watching the movies, right? "Ca Ching" doesn't really work so well with spin off novels. LFL isn't going to avoid storytelling in the movies just to make money on books. Doesn't work like that, sorry.

And for flashbacks, case in point-Harry Potter and Deathly Hallows Part 2. One of the greatest flashback scenes ever in fantasy film. That Snape sequence pretty much made the movie. There's plenty of time. Rey and Kylo probably won't be doing a whole lot more than just fighting and pondering who they really are.

 

Wasn't talking about books but Spin off movies. If 9 is the end of the saga, you need to go to the past to make new movies. Why not about young Ben Solo?
In 9 there is much to resolve, I want one flashback or piece of new information but not en detail. I want the story moving forward and actually leading somewhere.

 

Rey PALPATINE > ReySky or Kenobi

 

Ha! Rey Palpatine would be the ultimate one-upmanship over Kylo's your nothing... I will take it.

 

Given all the "ifs" and "this means that" and "I could see this happening because", it's clear that Ep.IX has many potentials and climaxes that the trilogy could end up with. I'm feeling optimistic that any one of the possibilities mentioned on this forum could be delivered, some of which are pretty exciting. And if it's something we haven't hit upon, then that'll be a surprise!

Either way it looks like the finale could be good. Certainly there's a lot to be done - I'm happy to sit through a longer film!

This did get me thinking how simple the storytelling in the OT was and how little explanation and backstory there was, and the worldbuilding was just taken for granted/accepted. There was of course inconsistency and nowhere near as much out-of-film material.

E.g. The Empire just existed. The Force, its powers and Vader being the last one (which changed in Ep.V) was just accepted as it was. Luke developing Force powers was just accepted as heritage. Luke and Leia... enough said. Vader's backstory was just spoken, not shown. Weird new Force things happened in Ep.V - telepathy, visions, pain-sensing of loved ones light years away, etc - all just accepted as part of the fantasy. Big reveal of Luke's actual heritage, and also Vader suddenly having good in him (which was vaguely hinted at, but in-film evidence would have said no way). We just accepted these things.

There's more going on in the ST than in the OT I think, so there's much for us to discuss and the screenplay to resolve. As others have said, TFA and TLJ may only make complete sense when Ep.IX concludes, even though there still may be inconsistencies (let's not forget Luke and Leia in ANH and early ESB. *Shudder*).

With 11 months to go, have we ever been in a position of knowing so little? Something to chew on would be great - a title, a screenshot, anything!!!

Here is a Bold Prediction: There'll be much tying together (by fans) of the different character arcs after Ep.IX is released - not everything will necessarily be explained or spokem of on the film and our imaginations will have to fill gaps. And I remain confident it'll work out.

And as regards plot, I don't think there'll be another SKB. Instead the FO just rule and the problem is how to take them down galaxy-wide. The KOR are regional governors maybe. The plot about the Resistance superweapon could be re-introduced to reinforce the fact you can only take down one bit at a time. Kylo's FO just keeps recruiting and coming back - totalitarian style. Finn and the Stormie revolution might be paŕt of the solution, and Rey needs to take out Kylo (and imprison/exile him).

 

I hope watching IX will be as much uplifting as reading through these boards have become depressing....anyway...looking forwards to learning the title (and of course some footage later)...but pages and pages of why you guys hate/are disppointed with the new movies, what's the point? Once in a while i get it, but there are other things in life don't you think? I used to enjoy posting here but these days not so much. And it seems like a LOT of people whose opinions i enjoyed reading and commenting have deserted as well -not everyone of them but sure quite a lot-...

anyway....the leaks sound good but i'm not sure it's gonna be 100% spot on. I do believe he's an extra or something but he might be speculating a little (or a lot?)??. Guess we'll find out soot. If we have a Veranada and Arvyl, the guy will gain lots of credit.

 

especially if she's a female clone of sheev sharing almost all her dna with him

 

This is mean to be sarcasm right?

 

Nah, Cloned Palpy Rey is a real theory... I am not going for it though.

1. Palpatine was doing something experimental on Jakku
2. Rey's cave vision hints at multiples like the clones in AOTC

I just don't think that will be where Rey's story goes.

 

Yes. Plus, the thirty-year time jump between the ST and ROTJ kind of makes a flashback or two inevitable. The OT had three feature lengh flashbacks called the PT.

He was obviously told he's playing Plagueis.

 

I wanted flashbacks in TFA to see some post-RotJ OT3 set up, but the standard narrative was always that it’s not their story anymore. If IX does include that, imo it’s playing catch up. That should have been in the first movie of the trilogy, not the third, to set up the backstory for our new heroes but also to provide payoff and closure for the old heroes.