ST The New Definitely Not Improved Even More Horrible Than The Last Two Rumors Thread

But isn't that what Darth Talon looks like anyway? Actually, McCaig drew her wearing MORE clothes than other artists usually do! For the record I agree that the character's design is arguably below Star Wars, no offense to fans of that sort of thing.

 

Bloody hell, there's a new He-Man animated series coming out that's a continuation of the original toon. Oh sorry, wrong place.

 

That's also good. The First Order splinters due to Palpatine appearing or the way Kylo Ren is running things. TLJ leaves things with General Hux so elements of a coupe are already set up.

Finn being an ex-Stormtrooper makes a lot of sense for leading an revolution. We already see in TLJ that Finn is famous within the Resistance. There is deleted scene from TLJ that set up Finn as a possible hero for the Stormtroopers too.

Do you think Kylo Ren and Palpatine will be on the same side or do they see each other a threat?

 

What is that from?

 

HaHA! Point well made! In my defense, I don't think I've ever really seen her in anything other than an outer-space-swimsuit.

 

I don’t see how it would be the Resistance & the FO vs Sidious and his new group. We already have leaks that the Sith Troopers don’t fight Stormtroopers.

However, I can see either the Resistance agreeing to form an uneasy alliance versus a kicked out Knights of Ren, or if the Knights of Ren end up being part of the Trojan horse gambit alongside the Sith Troopers, with one of the Knights the possessed Sidious, it may only be Kylo Ren himself excommunicated and looking to be an uneasy ally who won’t fight them so long as they don’t fight him at the end.

On the one hand, the usage of language on the Sith Trooper shirts being exclusive to Kylo Ren AND the Knights of Ren leads me to believe that Sidious taking one of the Knights bodies over and leading the Sith Troopers as the twist feels likely. It would allow for a fight between people he used to lead to turn against him which would be dramatic and allow some in the audience to feel some satisfaction as he got it handed to him and narrowly escapes. The other advantage of it is that it gives them a cool looking visual villain to function as the new big bad behind a mask and possibly transition the voice mode over to Sidious after body take over. Since you don’t have to see the face it wouldn’t seem cheesy in theory and it could help the transition better from Matt Smith to Ian as characters. Maybe this is also why Matt Smith is saying he’s no longer in the movie? Maybe in post they thought Sidious voice seemed to deliver more of the antagonism they wanted? It would also make sense that the possession occur during the McGuffin Hunt he wanted to bring the Knights toward.

On the other hand, the vanity fair article seems to show them there on the Jordanian planet where we also see Kylo Ren taking to Poe, Finn and Rey. I suppose it’s possible they are not there as his guard at that point. He does have the mask off there. Whereas they still have theirs on. They could be enemies there. Hard to know at this point.

The sooner into act 3 Kylo Ren is kicked out as leader and an uneasy ally of the Resistance the better chance his story has of meaningful redemption.

 

My current theory on Matt Smith is that after getting pocessed he'll put up his hood and then Ian will voice him.

 

Will Matt Smith use Sheev’s old lightsaber?

 

Its one of the old republic trailers.

To be fair this isnt Darth Talon, shes a old republic sith called Darth Atroxa.

 

But JJ and Kathleen Kennedy said at Celebration that they were surprised Ian’s being part of the film had not leaked because he was seen visiting the set. Only a voice would have been recorded after the film was shot. Nor would they have had him walk out on stage after the trailer.

 

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I've never bought this idea that the "Sith Fleet" was ever gonna be a third faction so much just Kylo accidentally "Unleashes Pandora's Box" as it were and the FO's true masters are coming home to take what is his and my guess is everyone will be like....Great!

Granted at this point I don't know what the actual structure of this plot is...Although the secret fleet stuff reminds me of Star Trek Into Darkness strangely enough.

 

JJ could have had Ian there to deliver the lines so the actors on camera are reacting to the real voice they hear (and we hear as the audience). More realism in their reactions that way than if Matt Smith was standing and talking in his normal voice.

Also, Ian could have just visited the set as well, to meet the new cast and for some photo ops with JJ, etc...

If Smith really is possessed by Palpatine, JJ probably thought it was important that he and Ian meet in person and talk about the character and such.

 

I am stating the obvious here - we do not even know Matt Smith is in the movie. Yet so many theories are built on him playing one of the most iconic characters in the whole series. Yet we know the original actor who played that character is involved.

Sorry none of these Matt Smith as Palpatine theories make sense. Why would they cast a name actor to be dubbed over by Ian. For all the complaints that Snoke was an underdeveloped character, and pore copy of Palpatine - Matt Smith just being a stand in/ vessel for Ian/Palpatine would be an even more disposable role.

My guess is if in the movie at all Matt Smith plays one of the other Knights of Ren. It’s been a secret because they have revealed nothing about them so far. It’s likely they will be unmasked at some point like Kylo.

 

That's honestly something I think about too and I have a few theories for the theories ;p

1. He's in the movie but his role is so insignificant (Being Palpatine's vessel) why bother promoting him.

2. They just haven't gotten around promoting him and making him all Mystery Box yet (Though maybe JJ learned his lesson with Into Darkness to never do that again)

3. Maybe Matt Smith was in the movie but he got cut and the Palpatine stuff is different then when it started.

 

I agree. I don't see the point in having Palpatine in the movie, but then not having Palpatine in the movie.

 

My theory on why Matt Smith is Sheev is because it is going to be a bad*** fight sequence, and Ian would be too old for the action. His lightsaber fighting in then PT was already not great, so they have Matt Smith playing possessed Palps. This will allow for Palpatine to have a body that can do crazy acrobatics lol

 

I think alot of it depends on how it will be executed.

We might see Matt Smith be the phyiscal vessel but with make up and CGI we could see like a ghost floating over him and echos of Ian's Palpatine voice...Etc etc...Movie magic and what not.

 

My theory, he is definitely in the movie. MSW seems to be pretty sure he is in the movie, and JW has been pretty dead on through the ST. So, they are reallly secretive about his part....so I think itsi a pretty important one. I dont think they brought out IM on stage to have him voice over MS...i think IM/Palps will be in the flesh and somehow brought back to life. I think expectations were set too high at SWC for anything less than in person appearance for a decent amount of screen time.

Therefore, i think MS is the second in command of the Knights of Ren and will lead them when Kylo gets redeemed and perhaps take over as main villain in subsequent Star Wars projects. I think they put him on the cover of the Art Of book for TROS as "The Rogue".

 

Ian did not do most of his fights in RotS either! He did closeups and they used a stuntman and digital double for the rest. Which could still be done now. Every scenario of a possessed Matt Smith sounds more like the role for a Stunt man or stand in.

 

I’m not sure than. MSW has said repeatedly though that Matt Smith is NOT a Knight of Ren. I think Matt Smith comes into play to show that Sheev has found a way to cheat death by possessing others bodies. Ian might appear in some form of ghost, but his spirt will live on in other host. He will capture Matt Smith, then Ben Solo.

 

What if after being killed in Return of the Jedi, Palpatine had to start over from zero. Like he starts over from a single cell. So his midichlorians literally hijack conception and he is born again as a baby. All of Darth Sidious's knowledge and potential power is there but he has to grow up again and become strong. He'd even have unsuspecting parents. Matt Smith is just the right age for that.

What if when Darth Sidious fully taps into and unleashes his power his physical form distorts into how the Emperor looks? Basically what happens in his office when it appears Mace Windu is reflecting back his lightening. If that's the case, that's how Sidious could have become Palpatine too. Palpatine really doesn't look or talk like the Emperor.

In a totally unrelated theory, there are a number of movies about a villian named Dr. Mabuse from the same director of the movie Metropolis. Palpatine appears in part based on this character. In one of the movies Dr. Mabuse dies early on and hangs around as ghost continuing his work.