Games The Non-Force Users Draft 2: Attack of the Muggles

@KenKenobi get in here, break ties, and move us along

 

I'm here! I do not drink beer!


Wang vs. ChatRXT

Pre Vizla over Black Krrbananastand-- Yeah I know this didn't need tiebroke, but I remain way more impressed with how Pre took on Kenobi and Maul. What's happened to this man's draft stock is a TRAVESTY, and actually I just heard that in his voice and boy does it sound whiny so let's move on...


Alpha vs. SithO

YVH 1-1A over Tor Vizsla-- This is no offense to Tor, who I respect for his Jango battle. But I appreciated @Alpha-Red's arg and come on @SithOverlord101...YVH 1-1A has feats! He drops 5 Yuuzhan Vong in 5 shots at one point. When a Yuuzhan Vong squad leader is about to slam a baby against a wall (ah, the NJO), he shoots the dude's hand off at the wrist.

He's basically a NJO IG-11 crossed with a T2 Terminator, which is maximum badass. And Tor has nowhere to really go to hide or plan or leverage something against an enemy that outstrengths and outshoots him. And we stan photoshop args around here (I'm aware BF:APM is real, just go with it).


PROXY over General Grievous-- I'm giving this a respect vote for several reasons...

1. I admire the balls

2. I remain impressed by your arguments incorporating previous Draft lore SithO, which I think will continue to serve you well in big matches/as this rolls on

3. I find it hilarious to think PROXY can morph into a bunch of Jedi that Grievous knows about and really send him into a reckless rage, particularly Kenobi

4. **** Grievous for being in both Muggles and Jedi Drafts, that's what he gets!

5. I hope PROXY takes him out with a dodgeball


MAIN EVENT

Okay let's stop delaying...

JKF vs. Jordan1

Tech (prepared) vs. Durge

This is what this Draft is about. Right here. Awesome.

Durge is a monster. It requires something next level to incapacitate him, and he's very worthy of a 1st-round pick given his insane durability, his speed/strength combo, his aggressiveness, his experience against top-tier talent even in the Jedi Draft.

Notice I didn't mention intelligence though-- his invincibility at times (and certainly his own sense of it) can lead to recklessness, where he can lose his weapons or even appendages. He's just so good he can often overcome it, and he knows it.

Enter Tech though. Genius with access to Wookieepedia. He'll know that overconfidence is the Emperor's Durge's weakness, and he'll have time to use his elite data analysis skills to go over all of Durge's career (which may lead him clicking to here? Is Tech reading this right now? Is the space-time continuum at risk?) along with all of the Droids series.

@Jordan1Kenobi I hate that you may have poured your full arg energy into Valance (which was very thorough, well done) assuming Durge was going to clear here...but I do have to disagree (and agree with the special guest referee @heels1785 ) that the Arena/location isn't just a barren worthless wasteland (like say the Peridea matches). Tech can hack those speeders, hack pit droids or even a BD unit (if prep allows?), could conceivably hack pods to start up a race-- imagine Durge getting blasted by a remote-controlled cartoon version of Gasgano's ride at full speed.

Anyway, it's not really up to a judge to do the full-on creative visualization here when args have been laid out. In which case...

Who quotes Dark ****ing Rendezvous the Yoda novel? Who does that in 2024?! That's awesome. That's just awesome, and the idea that an auditory weapon could send Durge's nerve-body into chaos just makes sense-- it makes even more sense from a dude who collected sounds like Ashe Javi in Jedi: Survivor (which I'm getting through okay!) and could use them in the gun/in the Arena to further confuse his enemy and boost his probability to get a stop.

So...is Durge's stock suddenly dropping? No. Is he vulnerable to everyone with prep now? No. But in this match, against this opponent, against that argument...I'm buying it.

Congrats @Jedi Knight Fett and enjoy Europe!

Spoiler: Winner

Tech (prepared)

@DarthIntegral

 

The final set of numbers is: 10, 8, 5, 3

The Classic Cartoon Conference

Matches taking place at:

The Stadium on Boonta (from Droids)

@Wang Chi (3) vs. @RX_Sith (3)

Fenn Shysa vs. Mezhan Kwaad
Guri vs. 0-0-0 (f0rfeit)
Boba Fett vs. IG-88
Cara Dune (forfeit) vs. Doctor Aphra (Prepared)

@Jedi Knight Fett (3) vs. @Jordan1Kenobi (3)

Fordo (fordo-feit) vs. The Spark Eternal (forfeit) -
Fives (Fives-feit) vs. Bossk
Hunter vs. Moff Gideon
Wrecker vs. Rayvis

The Live Action Disney+ Conference

Matches Taking Place at:

The Vast Open Lands of Peridea (from Ahsoka)

@Alpha-Red (2) vs. @SithOverlord101 (4)

Jar Jar Binks vs. Goran Beviin
Nem Yim vs. Din Djarin
Bolphur vs. Jagged Fel (Prepared)
Shada D'Ukai (Prepared) vs. Iden Versio (Forfeit)

@Darkslayer (3) vs. @s65horsey (3)

Gar Saxon vs. Han Solo
Commander Cody vs. Poe Dameron (forfeit)
Bo-Katan Kryze vs. Captain Rex
Embo vs. Jyn Erso

 

IMO Rex/Bo-Katan and Shysa/Kwaad are both awesome matchups. Binks/Bevin is a solid one too

 

Okay, I’m going to start with the match that I think is the easiest: Nem Yim vs. Din Djarin

The problem with Nem Yim is the fact that she really doesn’t have any feats excluding her death at the hands of Nom Anor. Add to that the fact that she’s a shaper means that she’ll need prep time to have a chance at beating a decent opponent — which she doesn’t have. Yin becomes basically useless without any time to prep the battlefield or procure new weapons for usage — and she doesn’t have any time to do either of those. With Mando having tons of feats and experience fighting tons of different opponents as well as knowing that Grogu will die should Din lose, this fight becomes no contest. Mando wins 10/10.

 

Moff Gideon vs Hunter

This one is pretty straight forward. Hunter is a great soldier, Gideon is a great warrior. S1 and S2 Gideon would likely win with the help of his darksaber. It wouldn’t be easy, but he’d get the job done.
However, S3 Gideon is a whole different level. Hunter’s blaster and knife would be ineffective against his armour. The combined duo of Din and Bo-Katan didn’t even manage to scratch his armour with their full skill set and arsenal. That dark trooper armour is OP.


Rayvis vs Wrecker

Wrecker fighting a Gen’Dai is something I’d pay to see. But at the end of the day, Rayvis is bigger, stronger, faster, more skilled, extremely durable with a lot of firepower.
His armour alone took Cal Kestis a lot of work to damage, let alone Rayvis himself. As covered in the Durge argument, basic weapons don’t hurt this species. Gen’Dai can withstand all sorts of firepower and punishment. And if something does manage to do damage, they just heal, recover and get straight back fighting.
Unlike Tech, Wrecker is not prepared and lacks the intelligence and skill to defeat a warrior of this caliber. This is a job for a Jedi, not a soldier.
Then on the other hand, Rayvis has all sorts of weaponry to take down Wrecker. He has back-mounted missile launchers and a big repeating blaster. And for melee he has a strong mace that can be used up close or launched at his opponent.

 

Okay, time to argue the second-closest match: Bolphur vs. Jagged Fel (prepped)

Bolphur's only feat is mutually killing a random Yuuzhan Vong Warrior. Jagged beat Jaina Solo in a training duel -- a Jaina Solo who killed the Vong Warmaster and has fought and killed multiple Vong at once during the Citadel run at the end of the Vong War. He also has other feats such as surviving the Tenupe wilderness for two years and killing the dark Jedi Alema Rar. Add on to that the facts that Jag has prep which allows him to scout the location, can arm himself with Mandalorian armor and crushgaunts to equalize strength, and knows the weapons that Bolphur is bringing with him to the table and the fight becomes no contest. Jag wins this fight every single time.

Also, @DarthIntegral can the peanut gallery chime in to argue for JKF in his matches against Jordan since JKF is out of contact on his European vacation? Because I honestly would be willing to argue one of the two matches.

 

I think that would be great!

 

Nen Yim only lost to Nom Anor because he had the element of surprise. As a master shaper she's got tons of tricks and unconventional weapons, like that invisibility cloak, and probably has the same hand-tentacles thing that Mezhan Kwaad used. She could very easily get the drop on Din Djarin and defeat him.

Bolphur...eh, okay I'll concede that one.

Jar Jar charges into battle against Goran with his bare fists. Just as they are about to collide, the camera cuts away to Grogu playing somewhere with some porgs. When the camera returns to Jar Jar vs Goran, Goran is lying in a crumpled heap and Jar Jar stands victorious.

 

Okay, so I'll start my peanut gallery argument: Moff Gideon vs. Hunter

I really don't think that this fight is anywhere near as straight forward as Jordan says it is (although IMO the Rayvis fight is quite straightforward) for a single reason: Gideon isn't prepped. Now you're probably wondering "SithO, why does Gideon not being prepped make this fight anywhere close? Didn't Gideon beat the crap out of Mando/Bo-Katan in Mando S3?" To me, that S3 fight is completely irrelevant here since Gideon isn't prepped -- and an unprepped Gideon isn't getting that armor (Bolded for emphasis). We've already seen him fight without that armor in the previous Mando season and he does well enough and it wouldn't be fair to automatically give him armor that he doesn't use in all his fights -- I mean, Jag (just to provide an example from my squad) doesn't get his Mandalorian Crushgaunts/armor given to him unprepared in spite of him using them in both his recorded fights [sparing match against Jaina and the fight against Alema], which would make more sense than giving Gideon the Dark Trooper armor without prep even though we see Gideon go without it in one of his fights. He's kind of like Canon Rom Mohc in terms of the Dark Trooper armor (uses it in his final fight) and I don't believe that an argument for an unprepped Mohc getting his armor would stand muster. So we're basically going on his combat appearance in Mando S2 -- in which he lost to Din within a minute despite having the advantage of ambushing Din.

From what I understand (haven't really watched the Bad Batch) Hunter's got some decent feats -- holding his own in a short fight with Fennec, killing some battle droids and stormtroopers, and beating Crosshair in a scuffle and a quickdraw. I'd put a prime Fennec on S2 Mando's level, so I think Hunter is just barely going to pull this off (maybe 5.5 times out of 10?).

BTW, it would be greatly appreciated if someone who's watched more of the Bad Batch can supplement my arguments here in terms of Hunter's feats.

I'll throw up my Beviin argument tomorrow.

 

I thought Gideon gets the armour?? Cause in the draft I selected Dark Trooper Gideon.
Is it preparation if that armour became his go-to? He’d been working on it a while.

It wasn’t supposed to be a one and done suit for a special occasion.

 

This is my official stance on weapons (and armor).

I personally view Gideon's armor as something he's been progressing towards since we met him, and not a one-off upgrade that came out of nowhere and wouldn't be sustainable. So I would view Gideon as having his Dark Trooper armor.

 

Time to argue the marquee matchup of the set: Goran Beviin vs. Jar Jar Binks

First off, Jar Jar should be considered ineligible for this draft due to being a Sith Lord (and yes, I believe that theory has merit). However, if we're stating for some reason that he's not force-sensitive, then I shall make a case against him.

I'm going to start off my argument by noting the battlefield -- our two combatants are fighting on open plains with absolutely nothing around them in terms of structure. Many (if not most) of Jar Jar's wins come through tripping over some object and then it knocking over his opponent on the ground. Unfortunately for the Binks, there is nothing around to trip over besides his own two feet. Without prep, Binks comes into this battle unarmed while Beviin's got his blade and armor

I already detailed Beviin's feats in his previous matchup against prepped Paz Vizsla, so I won't go over those again. He's got Mandalorian armor to protect him from an unarmed Binks and I don't see any way for Jar Jar to incapacitate him in this location. Put this fight at somewhere like say Cloud City and I can see Binks blundering his way to a win due to the location complementing his abilities of clumsy luck, but in a flat location like Peridea, he's not winning anywhere near a majority -- maybe he can steal a win if he gets luck, but Beviin wins 9/10 times here.

 

Ah-ha, but Goran's equipment and fighting skills simply are no match for Jar Jar's plot armor. As Jar Jar runs panicking away from Goran, a dead purrgil bone falls out of the sky and conveniently lands on Goran. Jar Jar is victorious!

 

Regarding Yim, the problem I have with her is that the only thing of note we have on her that is even somewhat impressive is the fact that she's part of the Yuuzhan Vong shaper caste (I'm not even sure she got the rank of master shaper since I only own three of the NJO novels). Otherwise, she's completely featless besides Nom Anor killing her -- if we're going to argue her (especially unprepped without any knowledge) beating Din (who has tons of feats) then pretty much any featless Vong shaper deserves to be picked in this draft.

 

We have seen her master, Mezhan Kwaad in action. She had that hand-tentacle thing that took even all the other Yuuzhan Vong warriors by surprise. It stands to reason that Nen Yim probably has the same thing. And then in The Final Prophecy, we see Nen Yim using all sorts of other unconventional tools that don't seem to be in the standard Yuuzhan Vong arsenal. So she'd definitely be a much deadlier combatant than the typical warrior or shaper.

 

Any more args coming? If not, I think I can judge tomorrow

 

The Stadium on Boonta (from Droids)

@Wang Chi (3) vs. @RX_Sith (3)

Fenn Shysa vs. Mezhan Kwaad

Could have used an argument in this one, but I just think it's more likely with neither of them prepared, Fenn will take this one. If they were both prepared, I might go with Kwaad. Just not sure on the fly, Kwaad is going to have enough to take down Fenn.

Guri vs. 0-0-0 (f0rfeit)
Boba Fett vs. IG-88

Fun, but not close.

Cara Dune (forfeit) vs. Doctor Aphra (Prepared)

@Jedi Knight Fett (3) vs. @Jordan1Kenobi (3)

Fordo (fordo-feit) vs. The Spark Eternal (forfeit) -
Fives (Fives-feit) vs. Bossk
Hunter vs. Moff Gideon

With prep or a tag team partner? I might give it to Hunter. Lacking that ... peak Moff Gideon is just too much.

Wrecker vs. Rayvis

Too many ways Wrecker gets himself in trouble.

The Vast Open Lands of Peridea (from Ahsoka)

@Alpha-Red (2) vs. @SithOverlord101 (4)

Jar Jar Binks vs. Goran Beviin

The sheer number of feats Binks has is kind of remarkable, starting with the Battle of Naboo and continuing through the Clone Wars. Fun arguments help, too, I do think the setting here hinders Binks a little bit, as there's less random things to come across that might help him turn the tide, but at the same time, his agility, jumping ability, and natural athleticism are at an advantage in the wide open world, putting pressure on his opponent.

Nem Yim vs. Din Djarin

Yeah.

Bolphur vs. Jagged Fel (Prepared)

Also yea. And am I the only one who pronounces it "Ball Four" - like, dude - stop issuing walks.

Shada D'Ukai (Prepared) vs. Iden Versio (Forfeit)

@Darkslayer (3) vs. @s65horsey (3)

Gar Saxon vs. Han Solo

Not close.

Commander Cody vs. Poe Dameron (forfeit)
Bo-Katan Kryze vs. Captain Rex

Could have used an argument. Rex probably has the overall experience edge, but I like Bo-Katan's history in 1x1 encounters, opposed to Rex having the bulk of his experience in group battle.

Embo vs. Jyn Erso

Another one that could have used arguments and I likely would have been swayed. Early career Embo in Clone Wars shows enough to overcome the fact that outside of that, his best feat is "second best hat in a Star Wars draft"

 

If you look just at feats ... and you thought about a character who

Jumped 20+ feet in the air
Shows the agility to climb onto a steed going downhill while it's being ridden and not disrupt the steed or the existing rider
Shows no harm from taken direct cannon fire from a tank
Literally dodges blaster fire from an entire army of battle droids while unarmed
Has been shown using hand-to-hand, short-range, long-range, and explosive weapons
used an enemy weapon to take out a half dozen enemy combatants
Took down a Gundark single handedly

You would not dismiss them so readily if their name was anything other than Jar Jar Binks.

Those are legit feats and only scratch the surface of what he's actually been shown to do, across movies, TV shows, and comics.

Anyways ... @KenKenobi / @JimFoxJedi / @SecondBest get in here and break the ties we have this round.

 

Goran Beviin over Jar Jar-- Purrgil made me lol, Jar Jar being ineligible as a Sith Lord made me rofl. Ultimately I buy the Peridea and Mando armor argument even as I agree with Inty that Jar Jar Binks is a far tougher out in this draft than many may think.


Re: Rayvis vs. Wrecker, I don't mean to further delay this draft but I cannot in good faith judge this-- I haven't completed Jedi: Survivor (thanks in large part to EA College Football 25) and I respect these games a lot in terms of always trying to provide a well-informed judgment.

If @heels1785 could maybe guest judge again? If not, I can do my best while acknowledging I can't read Rayvis's wook.