Full Series The *Official* Ahsoka in The Clone Wars thread (general discussion)

Yahbut... she's like eleven years old! Anakin likes "older" women.

Could be kind of interesting if he develops a sort of parental relationship with her, and then loses her, causing him to feel really freaked out by parenthood, then goes back to Coruscant and boom, Padme has some news for him. "That's... great!" would sound even more pained.

 

Yeah, but she's also a Togruta. Maybe all the important pieces have the right proportions by eleven.

 

oh, great.

Wrong mental image!

It would also be every kid's dream to be an apprentice to the exciting, daring, heroic and handsome / male idol Jedi who is all over the galaxy. I mean, let's face it; adventure is what anybody would want at that age. Anakin is the Jedi of the Clone Wars. Imagine the stories around the Jedi Temple . . . She'd be feeling extremely lucky to be his padawan regardless of other people's intentions.

 

I don't see her getting killed by Dooku or Grievous. It would make Anakin's scenes with those characters a lot more awkward in ROTS, as he fails to mention her to either of them, or get angry.

I figure the Council will eventually decide that Anakin is not ready to have an apprentice and decide to reassign her to another master. That would setback Anakin's goal of becoming a master (which again occurs when he is assigned to the Jedi Council but not made a master), and I think the emotional consequences of losing an apprentice to reassignment would be more consistent with Anakin's behavior in ROTS, rather than the emotional consequences of a murdered apprentice.

 

Yeah, I agree that he might very well gaff it and she gets reassigned.

 

Hmm...that is a good idea, and it sounds reasonable. And, it'd be kind of cool to bring her into the equation in the LA series if they decide to have some Jedi in it. She'd be a great addition to it, IMO.

 

I don't really see the Council reassigning her since it appears to be Yoda himself who assigned Ahsoka to Anakin in the first place. That would just seem weird if Yoda, as part of the council, then took her away from him. no?

 

Not if he screwed the pooch. It would add to why he seems so irritated with the council in III.

 

I don't know. Not to sound sadistic or anything, but I think it'd be better to have her die out by some Separatist attack or something. It would further his hatred for them and want him to end the war sooner, as well as wanting to destroy the leaders of the Separatists.

These were already posted in the Picture thread, but I figured I'd repost them here; some new images:

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If Lucas was developing the Star Wars story in chronological order, then I'd agree that having her die would be a powerful influence on having Anakin hate the Separatists. But the story wasn't produced in chronological order; if she were to die in the Clone Wars, then she'd be dead by the time frame of ROTS, and in that film Anakin doesn't show any particular fury toward the Separatists. Granted, he hates Dooku and he wants the war to be over with, but his behavior in ROTS would be out of place if he had lost his one and only apprentice.

If the Jedi Council decides that Anakin is a bad influence on Ashoka and separates the too, then Anakin might be frustrated with the council for "holding him back." While, if Ashoka dies, one would think it would be an eye opener that he wasn't ready to have an apprentice or that he failed her, which obviously isn't how he's feeling during ROTS; at that time he thinks he deserves the rank of master and thinks he deserves more authority within the Jedi Order.

Lucas has to work (if he wants to tell a coherent story) within the bounds of the pieces of the Star Wars saga that are already in place. To have Ashoka die during the Clone Wars would leave me scratching my head while watching ROTS, because Anakin doesn't seem all that upset by it.

 

Truly valid points. Touché.

Here is a point of discussion I think. According to the Wookieepedia article, it states that GL said she was 11 at the start of the series, yet the databank says she was 14 when she became Anakin's Padawan. First of all, I didn't know she was so young, but that makes sense I guess. But, which one is the official story? If they are both correct, then Ahsoka is 11 at the beginning of the series but didn't become his padawan until the end of the war. That doesn't make any sense...

 

I would be inclined to take GL's word over the databanks'. Unless one number serves as a correction for the other; i.e. if originally she was meant to be 11 and her age was changed to 14, or vice versa.

 

I don't think people are looking at the bigger picture, here.

With the new CGI tv show, Lucas has a chance to do something he didn't have much of a chance to do in AOTC and RotS, which is: to show Anakin as a hero, before he becomes darth vader. Fans have whined about Lucas not showing Anakin more in a heroic light. So, this is Lucas' chance. GL did say that he wanted to show Anakin more as a hero in this series, which is one of the reasons why he has a Padawan Learner, now.

With this show, we are seeing what Obi Wan meant in RotJ, when he said that Anakin was a good man, because he was. Him having Ahsoka as Anakin's Apprentice is apart of that.

This isn't the whiny kid we saw in AoTC, or the confused young man we saw in RoTs. This is Anakin as a good guy, folks. It makes his fall to the darkside in Rots that much more painful. It makes us feel Obi Wan's pain even more, when he watches his good friend throw away his life and fall to the darkside.

 

You know, I never realized it like that. I remember reading in the RotS novel by Matthew Stover that Anakin and Obi-Wan were the duo, the heroes of the Republic basically. It said how kids would pretend to be Obi-Wan and Anakin. I always thought that was amazing, kind of like a real world situation with real world celebrities almost. Now, we get to see it.

Thanks for pointing that out.

 

Bravo, very well said.

 

While I don't have fault with anything that you said, I'm not quite sure what was said in this thread that implied people weren't seeing "the big picture."

While the decision on Lucas' part to give Anakin a padawan may have stemmed from a desire to make Anakin seem more heroic, I think one of three things will happen to her:

-she dies, indicating that Anakin perhaps failed her as her master.

-she gets reassigned, indicating that the council sees Anakin as being too much of a bad influence on her.

-Anakin completes her training, but is still denied the rank of master do to Anakin's own impatience; this would be a slap in the face to Anakin. Ahsoka will have achieved the rank of Jedi Knight at an even younger age than the "Chosen One" which might make Anakin a little jealous, or alternatively very prideful, which the Council might see.

 

I don't think the third option is very plausible. She's like 12, and there only together for a short time. She's not becomming a Jedi knight anytime soon.

What I want to know was who was her original Master? She has to have had one already right?

 

I don't know. It seemed like a good idea, until I remembered how young she is. Like Sublime said, I don't see that happening to someone so young.

The more I think about it, the second option does seem the plausible. Maybe it's the darker person in me, but I would like to see her get killed, angering Anakin.

 

I get the feeling she'll die, in a situation where Anakin feels he could have saved her. Maybe not a direct blade-to-blade death vs. a Dooku or a Ventress or a Grievous, but perhaps during battle they get separated, and something tragic and fatal happens to her and her troops, or perhaps she's shot down during a dog fight, or something else along those lines.

Nothing that would scar Anakin too greatly and tug at his inner anger too much, but enough that he's pushed further to not let Padme become yet another that he wasn't strong enough to save.

 

Anakin becomes a Jedi knight at the age of 19 or 20. depending on what age Ahsoka is supposed to be (GL says 11 and the databank says 14), she could be 17 by the end of the series. Also, I believe the databank says she was discovered by Plo Koon, so perhaps he started her training?

It also says that she graduated to padawan at an early age out of necessity for the Clone Wars, so she might be a little ahead.

 

So...if anything that should be an argument against Ahsoka becoming a Jedi Knight. Anakin was early because he's Anakin Skywalker. His potential is far greater than what Ahsoka's will be. Besides, most padawans, including Anakin and Obi-Wan, spend more than a decade with their master. Three year (or just over that) for Ahsoka? I don't see that being plausible.

And it says on Wookieepedia: "She became a Padawan earlier than normal by Master Yoda in hopes that it would teach Anakin Skywalker a greater sense of responsibility." So, if she had a master before Anakin, is that saying that Yoda was her master at first?

 

You're right that Anakin become a Knight quicker than usual, because "he was the Chosen One," but Ahsoka could also advance through quicker than normal because she was the student of the Chosen One.

I don't know who her prior master was. At the end of TPM it appeared as though Anakin (being 9 years old) was going to be taken as a padawan directly by Obi-Wan, bypassing the training that the younglings do under Yoda. Perhaps Ahsoka stayed a youngling longer than usual do to a lack of Knights available for proper training. At which point I'd admit that this theory wouldn't really work. Or perhaps Plo Koon or Yoda instructed her for four or five years prior to her being handed to Anakin.

If she is fourteen at the beginning of the series and hypothetically completes her training by the end, she'd be seventeen years old, ascending to knighthood faster than Anakin due to the pressures of the clones wars and because the Chosen One was her master.

If she is only eleven years old, it would make her fourteen by the end, at which point I'd agree that she's too young to be given the rank of Knight.


I don't advocate this theory anymore than the possibility that she gets reassigned; I actually like the idea of getting reassigned more, as perhaps Anakin is too irresponsible with her in giving her a lot of freedom and having her accompany him on dangerous missions. If they built up a strong relationship over the course of the series, only to be separated by the Council at the very end, I think the emotional impact would be strong; like a parent losing custody of a child.

Though I think it's still a possibility.

 

If she was graduated to padawan early for the Clone Wars it only means because they needed more and more Jedi on the field and representing the Republic. Just like in the CW episode where Anakin is knighted, their discussing whether he's ready or not and they pretty much say the need for actual Jedi Knights is dire.

Also keep in mind, judging by Anakins and Obi Wans hair this is a little further into the Clone Wars. Not at the very start. So is Lucas claims she's 11 during the show, she could make it to about 12 or 13. Thats still way too young to be a Jedi Knight. Anakin would be po'd seeing as he's the chosen one and he still had to train for about 12 years before becomming a knight.

I'm pretty sure Ahsoka is going to die, theres really no other way around it. Like DarthIntegral said, not necessarily a lightsaber duel death, but maybe Anakin believes she's a good enough pilot to have her in her own starfighter. While He's off picking off droids she gets shot down. It makes him feel as if he failed as a Jedi and a pilot.

 

The Jedi Council giving Anakin a Padawan to teach him about letting go, as the Hyperspace interview states, is probably the most intelligent thing we've seem them do in regards to Anakin yet. This animated council is displaying more wisdom than the one in the actual prequel trilogy. Of course it will backfire when she dies and Anakin goes absolutely ape-**** once again. Can't wait to see it happen.

 

Which isn't really consistent with what we see in ROTS, IMO. In ROTS he wants to be a master, he feels he deserves it, and he's frustrated with the council as he sees them as holding him back. If he feels like a failure why would he demand more authority within the Jedi Order?

-If she gets reassigned, then Anakin could take that as the Jedi Council not giving him a chance to prove himself.
-If she completes her training at the age of 17 (ASSUMING the age the databank gives is the one that's going to be mentioned in the series) and Anakin still isn't recognized as a master, then it would be a slap in a face and a further source of "frustration with the council."

On the other hand

-If she dies, and Anakin feels like a failure... well that's just not the type of Anakin we see in ROTS.


Or it could be a combination: the council splits the two up, Ahsoka is sent on her own mission against Anakin's wishes and doesn't come back, and the Council advises Anakin to "train himself to let go of everything he's afraid to lose." At which point Anakin would feel as though he had greater wisdom than the council. IF Ahsoka dies, the only plausible way in which it could happen, and still be consistent with Anakin's attitude in ROTS, is if Anakin isn't responsible for it and was not there when it happened.