Full Series The *Official* Anakin Skywalker in the Clone Wars Discussion Thread

Not saying what he did was right, and I think Padme was shocked that he did it, but she felt sorry for him too. He just wanted to find his mom, and he finds her injured, dying and tied up thanks to the Tuskens. He found her just in time to watch her die. And keep in mind Anakin didn't seem proud of killing them, he was on the floor looking pretty upset and conflicted about what he'd done.
As for the children-killing, Padme's disbelief was probably because Anakin killing Jedi differs from killing Tuskens because Jedi are Anakin's own 'people' so to speak. Padme isn't a perfect romodel who always follows the rules above everything, she has her own problems. Remember this is a woman who secretly weds a Padawan, and I suspect that dismissing and ridiculing Anakin for his dark deed with the Tuskens didn't seem right to her.
Still, it might've been a good idea to be cautious around the guy, Padme..

 

And I seem to be forgetting the part where the Tusken women and children joined the men on raiding parties...

 

Tusken Raiders aren't people. They're bloodthirsty beasts.

 

I guess thats the attitude we had to Native Americans, eh? Its not like settlers are taking Sandpeople land and tearing it up...oh wait, they are.

 

Thats an ignorant point of view. Sorry but its true.
Bear in mind that they are the natives of Tatooine and thus they see the settlers like the Lars as invaders of their lands. Just because they are different doesn't make them evil, and it doesn't excuse the horrific and barbaric act that Anakin committed.

 

Oh boy, are you being serious?
Comparing Tusken Raiders to native americans? Way to take the movie too seriously.

But I agree that in-universe, what Anakin did is not acceptable.
But most people, watching the movie, accept it. Again, 'cause he's not slaughtering people, but a bunch of grunting, alien creatures who killed his mother.

 

In ROTS and TCW, Obi Wan is no longer Anakin's master, as Anakin is a full fledged Jedi Knight. The only reason why Anakin refers to him as 'master' is the same reason why Obi Wan refers to Yoda and Mace as 'master' in AOTC. Its a sign of respect and a proper way a Jedi Knight refers to a Jedi Master and/or a Jedi Council Member. That's it. They are no longer Master-Padawan, as Anakin has his own apprentice in this series and has his own missions.

As for the cartoon, I think the Anakin-Obi Wan dynamic is fine. They don't bicker in this series at all. They more address each other in a professional level and as comrades. They are no longer Master-Padawan, so they are more or less, brothers, now.

 

I am serious. The Tuskens are the natives of Tatooine. The Settlers are raping their lands and have been for millennia. If you played KOTOR, you'd find out WHY the Sand People do what they do, why they hate technology and everything.

 

I am sure he is meant to be likeable, caring and a hero....but only at times. I think he is supposed to be a bit of a spoiled brat, actually. Maybe just not on the surface. But, clearly in the prequals, GL chose to show instances which were private, between himself and Padme or himself and Obi-Wan, where he was clearly whiny, out of control, and those 2 would bring sense back to him. But to the public, or overall, what would be seen is just a good, selfless hero.

Not really, even in TPM, he is picked on a bit, off in his own world building a pod racer. In the book, he even beats up Wald, or someone, after being accused of cheating during a pod race.

But, showing Anakin's skills and showing his leadership and such in TCW is more showing what the rest of the Republic saw in Anakin and the reason why noone would ever believe or realize that Anakin even became Darth Vader. <I haven't read many EU books...but if Luke didn't know Vader was Anakin Skywalker in A New Hope, then I'd assume barely anyone, except the few folks at the end of RotS who knew>

 

People here seem to go only one way or the other when it comes to the anakin/tusken story arc in AOTC but its not about if or if not you can blame him for what he does or if it was justified, what he does is SUPPOSED to be wrong that's the whole reason why it was written but NOT to the point where you are supposed to dislike anakin from now on because of it, that's where people are not getting the point. The audience is supposed to feel bad for anakin (like padme does) and get sucked into the epic situation that he is in and what he is going through. It is made for the audience to realize how hard it is to be perfect witch is what the jedi demand of anakin and to ask themselves if they would make some of the same choices as him. The problem is that a lot of you miss the point of this because you just choose to get mad at him over it and think of him as a bad unlikable person from now on just because he took revenge on a tribe of "vicious mindless monsters" but its not as simple as that! He is a young and impatient, ambitious person who strives to be perfect but then the story arc of his mother and the tuskens happens and in his terrible pain and anger he makes a bad mistake that he is deeply regretful for and after being comforted by padme he matures from then on by making the promise to his mothers grave that he will become a better jedi while at the same time setting up for the next movie by making him want to become more powerful BUT THAT'S NOT BAD because he uses his power for good and to become the great hero we see during the clone wars and at the beginning of ROTS- until palpatine turns him.

That's also why Padme or even Anakin himself didn't even need to tell the jedi what he did because he learned from his mistake and grew into the hero that we see at the beginning of ROTS because of it. Padme realized this and saw that Anakin had taken complete responsibility so it was unnecessary and that's why she didn't tell the jedi or presser him to get help that he didn't need. What could the jedi really even do for him that he didn't learn for himself? beside expel him from the order. If you cant accept/understand that than you will naturally not like the tusken story arc and then not like AOTC as a movie because it is such a key part of it.

Also just for the record i have to say, there is a lot of symbolism in star wars BUT trying to say that the sand people were based off of native Americans is INCORRECT. If you think this than you are reading too much into them, they are and have ALWAYS been since 1977, bad guys. villains. Monsters no different than wampas on hoth. and they are not even the type of monsters to sympathize with because humans did not "take there land" humans were ALWAYS living on tatooine together with what ever else species. Humans try to share the planet and that planet has such a small population of life that there is probably thousands of miles of land to go around and i don't care what a video game of MUCH lessor canon says about the sand people, im talking about movies not video games.

 

And according to KOTOR, the Wookiees were placed on Kashyyyk as a gardener race, their trees a result of an experiment messed up. (laughs) Those crazy writers.

KOTOR has its place in continuity, though I choose to focus on the present as what transpired thousands of years ago would have been phased out with the evolution of the universe. It still remains an awesome game with an awesome plot, to be sure. But do we REALLY need to know that kolto was once the greatest medical cure-all in the galaxy when it was replaced by bacta? Nevermind the fact that it was a factor in determining a planet's fate. XD

I think that Tuskens are hard to define, though at their best, I'd say they're a nomadic race that has struggled to survive in a harsh environment. Some have proven themselves capable of showing compassion to humans, or at least coexisting. Tahiri (from NJO) had a foster father who was taken in by humans and took her in. Sharad and A'Sharad Hett (from the prequel era comics) were taken into the Tusken clans and raised alongside them.

However, that doesn't change the fact that their culture is, for the most part, extremely violent. Vengeance has been said to be a normal part of their lives, and a trial actually involves capturing and torturing something while keeping it alive as long as possible. Although most if not all of the species in Star Wars are capable of both good and evil, the culture of the Tuskens leads them to perform acts of violence, even if it's territorial. As a result, they are more likely to do something terrible. Of course, I agree that it doesn't justify Anakin's slaughtering of the tribe, but they certainly weren't saints to any degree. Their resemblance to Native Americans, who perhaps started the 'noble savage' archetype, only extends to a certain point. Of course, I wouldn't know HOW closely they resembled them, as I know little about either Tuskens or Native Americans. Did the Tusken torture trial come from their 'counterparts', or was it created by the writers?

 

But here's the part that you're missing: People don't always respond to a film the way they're "supposed" to. And they certainly have no obligation to force themselves to respond to a film in a different way so that they're more in line with how the director wants them to respond. That's the director's JOB: making a film such that people respond to it in the desired fashion. If you're not getting the right response out of certain people, then you didn't make the film in such a way that it works for them.

No film is going to work completely for every single person, so you have to find a balance. Some smaller films will choose to connect really strongly with an admittedly small audience, while on the other end of the spectrum there are films that spread themselves thin trying to form tenuous connections with an incredibly broad audience. Generally, the "best" films are those that resonate fully with as large an audience as possible, but there's always a certain level of that give and take.

The fact that Anakin's character is unsympathetic towards so many people means Lucas did a poor job of making his film(s) and/or Lucas simply doesn't care about connecting with our particular segment of the audience.

 

Well i think the fact that so many fans are unsympathetic towards a 19 year old kid who has to hold his brutalized, beaten mother in his arms (her being his ONLY family and good thing he has ever known for the first 10 years of his life as a slave) while she dies a terrible death but then some how are sympathetic towards the monsters in this pic means that some fans did a poor job getting the point of the film.

Pic related, its the sand people, you want to talk women and children? take a good look--

[image=http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/starwars/images/6/6d/Tusken_Attack.jpg]

 

The Sand People *are not* monsters. They've been fighting a war to reclaim their land for millennia.

And Anakin in AOTC is not sympathetic. As other people have said, obi-rob, he came off as a pretensious, creepy, arrogant, impatient person who didn't know how to take advice. What he DID was monstorous. He didn't just kill the warriors, he killed the non combatants. The women and children who do not go out to battle or on raids. Thats whats bad about it. He basically did a Native American slaughter.

Obi-rob-kenobi4, AOTC Anakin was an unsympathetic character. Its not what he was supposed to be, its what he was, due to Lucas's ineptitude as a director/writer and/or doing a half ass job as a writer.

 

Obi-rob, I really think you need to let this go. You're not going to be able to convince others of what you see, becasue evryone is going to take different things from it. Anakin is alwasy going to be hard for peopel to sympathize with because he is a spoiled arrogant kid, who is supposed to save the Force. It's hard for people to connect with someone like. Luke was a just a typical, young kid. It was easier for people to understand him. Just be happy knowing you can enjoy the character of Anakin.

SuperSaiyaMan- The Tuskens *are* monsters. You want to talk about characters that are hard to sympathize with, look no further thna the Sand People. They may have been pushed out of their land, but they still have a crapload of it, and they don't seem to be doing to bad as a tribe. The Tuskens are extremely violent, and the always have been. They don't just want their land back, they want to punish everyone for being on Tatooine. They go after innocents just as much as Anakin did. And really, there isn't exactly a shortage of land on Tatooine. Now, I'm not saying what Anakin did wasn't wrong, and the Tuskens certainly didn't deserve it, but they are not the noble creatures you are making them out to be, and they are certainly not like the Native Americans. You can't base everything off KOTOR.

 

Just curious. Did Native Americans have a tradition where they would capture a living being and torture it for as long as they could? Or did they have a rigid policy that said 'kill all outsiders'? I seem to recall that they welcomed peaceful outsiders and were open to ideas that weren't forced on them...

The Tuskens may have some justification in defending their homes from overexpanding humans, and Anakin's slaughter is indeed a very negative action, but it's a stretch to call the Tuskens misunderstood sentient beings. They harm both the innocent and guilty alike. What reason did they have for taking Anakin's mother? If it was a matter of territory, the Lars homestead would be a smoking crater by now, I believe.

Kel Dorians, now they're interesting. They'll chop your hands off because you stole then give you bacta to treat the wound, while throwing in a mechanical prosthetic. Not an official statement, but it should be. XD

...again, attempting levity.

 

One fact for you guys:

TCW is closer to AOTC in the timeline, not Rots. Anakin was confirmed to be 20 in TCW, and we all know he's 20 in AOTC, based on the novelization. So at most, TCW takes place a few months after AOTC.

So, TCW is about 2-3 years before Rots, not a few months before Rots.

Just wanted to remind everyone of that fact, thats all.

So, Anakin was a Jedi Knight for at least a couple years before his fall to the darkside.

 

You DO realize the irony of dismissing KOTOR's characterization of the Tuskens as being on a lower canon level, then presenting this painting as 'evidence' of your point of view, right?

 

What is this KOTOR characterization of the sand people that everyone keeps talking about? All I remember is being randomly attacked by them in the desert, then later infiltrating their camp and killing a whole lot of them.

 

You clearly did the Dark Side outcome. The Light Side is speaking with the Chief, freeing their slaves and Griff, and earn the Sand People's respect by helping the Twi'lek hunter slay a Krayt Dragon and deliver the Pearl to them. Afterwards, you'll learn from the Sand People of their history from their Storyteller. He tells you how Tatooine came to be, on why the Ore is bad (how the ancient Sand People poisoned it) and why they shun technology and are trying so hard to regain their land. They do not want to be slaves anymore, like the were to the Rakata. They also shun technology, since 'it rases them away from the land, instead of being one with it'.

You learn they are rather noble in their own way. 'Noble Savage', and the Native American anaology fits them now.

 

Saiya is right, and I think that's the last word on the Tuskens for now.

 

Aww...blew my response right there...so to avoid the subject that shan't be mentioned but IS about the thread title:

I like TCW Anakin because it's a more balanced portrayal of a young man who wants to be and do good and often succeeds. I see the "good man" and I see the same "flaws" for lack of a better word that were exploited by Palpatine.

I see what I was perhaps supposed to see, but did not, to MY satisfaction, in AoTC. This Anakin I do feel sympathetic towards, whereas before I had to search hard to even like him.

This Anakin fulfills the promise of the character I think GL wanted us to see.

 

This is what I was trying to say a while back but eveyone poo-pooed the idea. The two versions are rather different and I think it was intentional.

TCW's version doesn't look like Hayden, doesn't act like Hayden's Anakin, and is in fact an attempt to recover the character to bring him more in line with how he was envisioned.



In closing, what's up now?

 

I would not say that is how he was orignal envisioned, it is more like character development. The Clone Wars were suppose to change Anakin from a boy to man, and so it is a given that Anakin is going to be more mature then he was in AOTC. TCW Anakin is the same as the one we see in the beginning of ROTS. I don't believe GL is trying to correct anything.