The OFFICIAL Count Dooku / Darth Tyranus Discussion thread

I heard that the character was going to be female, too. I think the look for "her" was eventually evolved into Assaj Ventress. As for the character differences or who to play her, I doubt this version of the character got that far.

 

"Your weapons please,you wouldn't want to make a mess of thingS in front of the chancellor"

Dooku sucks

you cant spell,JEDY,you forgot the s

 

Dooku isn't a bad character. I mean, I would have liked to see him as a Jedi first before he turned, but let's keep in mind that he trained QGJ, who trained Obi-Wan, who trained Anakin. Dooku was probably the most well respected Jedi in the entire Order just before the events of TPM.

 

Why did Dooku not wear any Sith robes or hooded dark clothing. He is Darth Tyranus and was it proven that he actually wear that clothing?


Ohhh but it would be beneath the elegant and aristocratic man to wear those type of clothes!

I soooo am enthralled by the character Dooku! (not only because of Mr. Lee...since I've been a fan of his for quite a long while before Ep II) The man has charisma and is very manipulative and conniving on his own.

The only thing I didn't like of the RotS novel was his begging for his life...can't see it...uh uh no way. Mr. Lee did it best with the eyes. Poor man...

And for him to state he didn't see it coming... not right. Cuz in Dark Rendezvous, him and Asajj have a talk about 'betrayal' due to her wanting to become his apprentice. She was offering to help him off Palps/Sid and Dooku wasn't interested. Too old and not ambitious. Poor guy... Man that book juz rocked!! Loved DR!! Anybody else here read that book? The guy gives Yoda so much credit! He's written like ESB Yoda!

 

I started a thread stating the possibilties of Dooku being able to go toe to toe with Sidious but it was closed and I was directed here.


So, here goes.


Dooku was a legendary Jedi Master. He trained Qui-Gon Jinn and many others. Like Mace Windu, he was one of Yoda's padawan learners and battled Yoda in lightsaber combat better than Sidious did, at least to me. Mace Windu sort of had his way with Palpatine (though debatable) and Yoda clearly countered everything Palpatine had to give.

Dooku said that he had a high knowledge of the Force. So, eventhough Dooku called Palpatine MASTER, is it possible that Count Dooku with all of his experience and knowledge of the Force could have held his own against Darth Sidious? To me, it's not all that farfetched to think that he could.

 

is it possible that Count Dooku with all of his experience and knowledge of the Force could have held his own against Darth Sidious?

i'll post the same that i posted in the thread that got locked

3 words: Not a Chance !!!!!

even though i like him a lot more than suited vader and maul.

of the 3 aprentices(suited vader,maul and dooku) i think count dooku has the better chances to hold his own vs palpatine but, beating him ?? .....

 

Count Dooku, for me, binds the Prequels to the Classic Trilogy. He is the glue.

Also, the fact that he and Peter Cushing were in these films reinforces the feeling of an homage to monster films. This makes me like the ending to ROTS even more for its almost Frankenstein like mood. Yes even the NOOO!!*

I only wish Dooku was in AOTC more. We just DON'T get enough of him. Curses.

* I think someone screams NO! in each of the six films, just like "I've got a bad feeling about this" or "There's too many of them!". It HAD to have a "Noooo!". ha ha. But that is for another thread.

 

Sideous did a lot of intelligent moves, but he blew it letting Dooku be killed. Dooku was a leader - Anakin was not, and never became one either (he killed those who made a slight mistake). And probably Dooku wasn't much less powerful than Anakin.

But it would be cool to see how and why he turned, perhaps out of good intentions like Anakin!? Interesting to note also, that Sideous probably got an apprentice older than himself. (or is that wrong?)

The similarities between Dooku and Sarumann are striking. When Gandalf says; I am the wizard Sarumann should have been (or something), OBW could easily have said the same.

Dooku is interesting and complex, because he leaves us with a small notion of him not being pure evil - he may actually have been speaking the truth to OBW at that particular time.

 

In my opinion Dooku could of easily held his own against Sids and may of beaten him. Dooku was the 2nd best duelist in the order and he had a great knowledge of the force. Dooku could beat Sids in a lightsaber duel but Sids would probably find some way to win.

Dooku was indeed older than Sids

 

This is exactly why I think it is plausible that he was telling the truth to OBW! At that time he was perhaps earnest in killing Palpatine - but later he got twisted and consumed by the darkside - enter the path to the darkside and forever it will consume you

 

i agree that off all the sith apprentices palpatine had dooku had the better odds to beat him.

but if he was in fact stronger than palpatine he would be the master then.

dooku would be more than a match for palpatine but i dont think he could win.

 

Physically, I think Dooku might have been able to pull it off.

Psychologically, no way. Dooku is cold and calculating, and he won't take a 1-in-10 (maybe even less) shot. He won't kill Palpatine at the expense of his own life. He won't do what Vader had to do to kill him, essentially.

Dooku's power level is at the least comparable to suit-Vader's. I might even edge him a bit.

That's alone. With, say, Qui-gon, or maybe even Obi-wan, he would have had a far better chance. His other apprentices - well, Asajj is powerful but lacks both control and common sense. Don't know much about Sev'rance Tann - but the way he cultivated Quinlan Vos, there might have been something going on there. Possibly including Sora Bulq, who knows.

 

I think the Count might be able to hold off Sidious but there's no way he could beat him. Sidious was more than a match for Yoda and the Count ran away like a little girl from Yoda.


He's roughly a little less powerful than Mace I'd say or at the same level I guess. Keep in mind that Anakin, a young Jedi pwned him considerably.


Also, I think Mace is right. It's not in his character.

 

Neither do I think that Dooku could have killed Sideous, but I think he would have been better suited as Sideous's right hand (ironically since Vader doesn't have one )

Dooku was a leader, something we see after his death - the collapse of the seperatists. He was powerful enough to do the job Vader did as well. What I'm arguing is not if he could kill Sideous, I'm thinking of his job as Sideous's captain. I think the Jedi would have a hell of a lot tougher if they had to fight Dooku and Sideous. First of all - OBW vs Dooku AGAIN!? hmmm

 

Dooku was my favorite character from the PT, but I think he could have been LOTS better. For some reason, while I was watching AOTC, I thought that he was going to turn out to be a good guy. And how awesome of a plot twist that would have been! Here is the way I would have liked Dooku to turn out.

-First, Dooku should never have been a Sith. Turning to the Dark Side is fine with me, but I think he should have resisted Palpatine. Palpatine should have just been working on getting Anakin to become his apprentice, starting in AOTC.

-Instead, Dooku's connection to Palpatine should have been this: Dooku sees the corruption in the Republic and decides it is time for a change. Things happen much the way they did, with Dooku leaving the Order and founding the CIS. Dooku meets up with Sidious whom he thinks can help him with the Separatist movement, but then realizes that Sidious=Palpatine. In this alternate fiction, Dooku is right when he is trying to convince Obi-wan that he is on the wrong side. In the end, Anakin would still kill Dooku, but AFTER he turns to the Dark Side, and for another reason. That reason being...The CIS becomes the Rebel Alliance, after the Empire is formed, and Dooku is trying to escape to join Bail Organa and Mon Mothma to lead it.

-I would have liked to have seen something in TPM between Qui-Gon and Dooku (Obi-wan should not be there). Perhaps a scene on Coruscant when Dooku tells Qui-gon that he has had it with the Republic and the Order. He has maybe just resigned and is leaving for the Outer Rim. Qui-Gon should look tempted to join him, justifying Dooku's entreaties to Obi-Wan in AotC.

At any rate, I still love Dooku. But he would have been better as a (semi) hero.

 

I liked Dooku but he was a little to cowardly for my taste. He has some great lines and he made a good sith, the movies really make you hate him. He embodies that twisted mean psychology professor personah ya know? "Mr. I know everything you are just a peon" type of attitude and it really makes people boil, it makes the audience hate him for his arrogance and his apparent lack of moral responsibility at the age of 80.

Great character, I hated him so much it was one of the things I was totally looking forward to in ROTS. They couldn't have done a better job with his death scene



I didn't like his lightsaber though, its crooked and just funny looking.

 

Best Character that wasn't in the OT. His lightsaber technique was to me the best of anybody, so smooth and he was always using 1 hand. I liked his arrogance and he has the best lightsaber in all of Star Wars.

 

i see a great point here rossa83.

obi wan would have probably been owned again by dooku if it was a dooku/obi wan fight in mustafar.and also he had a lot of more brains than anakin and he was more suitable as a leader.

 

I once saw an interesting analysis of Sidious's apprentices - Maul got owned by Obi-wan so Sidious chose Dooku, who could handle Obi-wan. But Sidious thought Anakin was more powerful, so he traded out an apprentice who could handle Obi-wan for yet another one who couldn't.

It still worked out for him, sort of. But if Anakin had succeeded in killing Obi-wan, he'd have killed Sidious, at least according to alternate endings to video games and such. So yeah, betraying Dooku was not such a bright move in the long run.

Of course, Dooku was also older than Sidious, 'past his prime' in some ways, and still aging. Which Sidious mentions. Vader is more 'enduring' that way. But as far as effectiveness goes Dooku would certainly be better than the early suited Vader, though late Vader would eclipse a declining Dooku.

 

Well, I'm not convinced about the past his prime argument. I mean, look at Yoda! Besides Vader wasn't that powerful in the OT - he was nearly destroyed by OBW, so naturally he lost much of his powers. I think Dooku would have fared far better in most respects, albeit not for the Jedi. Sideous's worst mistake - that and thinking he was invincible. He overestimated himself and Anakin

 

Sidious mentions that Dooku was getting old (Anakin is 'far younger') - so presumably it's something he's percieving. As far as Yoda goes, we don't know the natural course of life for his species, while Dooku is apparently human. I'm not sure if ESB Yoda could really hold his own in a lightsaber fight, and ROTJ Yoda can't even get out of bed. It may be that Dooku is hitting the inevitable decline. EU sources have him 'in better shape than most men half his age' - but that's still past 40. Chris Lee says Dooku is past his prime.

 

Well, people in their 40s can be quite up to the task! If you train regularly you won't decline after well past your 40s, perhaps even 50. I'm not talking about top athletes, but normal people with good stamina and so forth. Dooku showed himself quite capable, I think it was wrong of Sideous to get him killed. Look at Sideous, he was quite powerful in ROTJ. And I think that even though Yoda himself was getting weak, the force would have led him in a fight - and therefore he would be a hard case.

If Vader was obsessed with finding Yoda and OBW and killing them, he would have. Perhaps he realized after the Mustafar incident that he simply wasn't up to the task!

 

Someone asked earlier if Dooku trained anyone other than Qui-Gon Jinn, well remember this line..

"you fool, I have been trained in your Jedi arts...... by Count Dooku!"

 

Yeop and he did a fine job though not as well as the count! obviously...



Man, Obi is no match for the Count.

 

Watching ATOC on TV last night and I noticed something odd.

During the end Lightsabre fight with Dooku vs Obi/Anakin... Dooku disarms Obi Wan with some slices and as Obi is lying there, we see Dooku setting himself up to kill Obi and Anakin jumps to the rescue. That's all fine. Very Sith-like.
But when he fights Anakin, 2 things change. He dosent antagonise Anakin and just as he cuts off Anakins arm.. he force pushes him to the ground next to Obi Wan, why did he Force push him? He could have easily have killed him.

A similar thing happens in ROTS, Obi Wan runs up the steps as Dooku and Anakin fight, as he comes up behind him, Dooku force grabs him in the air.. kicks Anakin to the side and instead of just driving his sabre through a helpless Obi Wan, he throws him to the side. Dooku tried to execute Obi in ATOC, but not here.