The Official Obi-Wan Kenobi Fanclub v 3.0

HI, It's been awhile since I've been around this board...an interesting discussion has been going on I see.

I liked Taria in the Karen Miller books, but I agree with Veloz, it's Siri and Obi-Wan all the way.

I would love (while Ewan is still young enough to do it..right now he's about the age to pull off a clone wars version of Obi-Wan still) to see a movie about Siri and Obi-Wan. It has to be Ewan playing Obi though or it just won't work (for me). I know it will never happen, but I can dream...

 

I think I just fell in love with you.

Love Actually: "And he's a Christian!"

I think it's a realistic possibility he could have been celibate, he certainly was busy, and I wouldn't blame anyone for arguing that, but there's certainly no reason to get nasty. I don't think there's any evidence in cannon either way, and I think ideas like Siri (teenage romance, the one that got away) Satine (exotic fling) and Taria (friends with benefits) are all plausible happenings. And it's just more fun, the poor man deserves it.

Oh come now, I've read some really great fanfiction and some really horrible books... Getting something published is harder than pinning a Jedi down to have your way with him. I've seen my mom be both successful and unsuccessful and I don't really see myself ever bothering with that process. But I love writing, and I take it very seriously, and I hope to keep, both, creating and improving.

Isn't that the only purpose of a female?

Kidding... *ahem* The idea, or at least my idea, I think is to use that character or relationship to explore Obi-Wan's deeply layered character. It's something we don't get to see in the movies, but it can be a very telling emotional journey, and an important part of life in general.

I actually do get really annoyed every time I see a new girl has been written in another new EU thing. Another? And another? And what?! He said he would have left the order for her!?! Where will it end? That is not the Obi-Wan I know, and thus begins the fanfic where that line was really just some clever distraction they had used at some point before and not meant to be used or taken literally...

I guess with EU I feel like I have to accept it on some level, and sooner or later, it's just going to get out of control. How many lovers could one Jedi possibly have possibly had? Sigh, and that does really bother me.

But with fanfiction, I feel like I'm just reading one person's take on the possibilities and I really enjoy it, it doesn't matter if it's Siri or an OC or whatever, as long as it's written to fit his character.

 

Before you get the wrong idea I never stated that all fanfiction is bad. I've read my fair share of good fanfiction. However fanfiction can be published so easily and by anyone including people who can't write (in terms of grammar/spelling/whatever) for beans. Are there good fanfiction writers out there? Absolutely. Are there bad EU novel writers out there too? Once again absolutely. However because fanfiction can be so easily published online it sadly attracts people who really shouldn't be near a keyboard. And yes getting something published is hard. Yet I'm more-so referring to the overly obsessive Obi-Wan fangirls who will create OC Mary Sues and place them into horribly written fanfiction just so they can be paired up with the completely and utterly sexy Obi-Wan. Yes I know that concept applies to all fan communities but still.

Sorry if I offended anyone here with the whole "would be more sophisticated/professional" thing in terms of EU novel writing vs. fanfiction writing. Yes you have professionally published material that is horribly written and fanfiction that is well written but all in all I still feel as though as these female characters have been created solely to be paired with Obi-Wan in someway. I don't know but maybe I just prefer for Obi-Wan to be single or something in the EU. *shrugs*

Oh and I enjoy writing and I take it seriously too. I will admit that I have published a good fair share of "crack fics" on these boards (such as the little Obi-Wan/Satine parody I had posted in this thread) and I will continue to do so. However those are obviously not meant to be taken seriously and I write them mainly because I find writing serious Star Wars fanfiction to be a bit challenging because of continuity rules (and no I'm not into writing AU stuff. I enjoy reading AU just not writing it) and keeping everyone in character. My serious writing is usually restricted to my own original material.

Finally if anyone here thinks that Obi-Wan should be paired about with one of the EU female characters or a male character than that's fine in my book.

 

Certainly, no offense taken I think there are many, many shades of grey and I can always find some enjoyment in most the fanfic I read, and I try to read a lot (of the things I'm interested in) -- even the less well written ones, and the 'OC Mary Sues', can have value, too, the same as a parody has it's place and value.

I love that anyone can try their hand at it, and post, and while I immensely appreciate good technique and no typos, a lot of people don't have the time for a great number of edits, or maybe the knowledge of what to look for, or how to do it. And some of those fics I've read and still enjoyed, and I'm glad for it.

Still, I know even more people have even less time to read, especially fanfic, and I understand them not wanting to waste any of that hard to find free time

 

Hi. Very interesting conversation. To put in my two cents worth, I also am a Christian who does not have a problem with Obi relationships as long as they are tasteful and not gratuitous.

I write Siriwan, and when I have them in a serious relationship, I have them married. But I have seen others, like Valairy Scot, who has written wonderful SiriWan stories (What the Heart Hides and the sequel, etc.) where she had them together without the formal ceremony, but the way I saw it, Obi-Wan and Siri had a committed relationship as solid as a formal marriage..it was not a fling. She wrote them so wonderfully I loved the relationship between them in those stories.

I have stumbled across stories (not here) where Obi was hormonal and Siri was little more than a sl--. I didn't like those because it cheapens their very romantic love so much (in my opinion).

To me, getting to know the young Obi-Wan they way he was written in the (I know, not popular) JW books, and especially the face and heart of Obi that Ewan gave us just made it so much more tragic that he had to be alone in Canon. So when I read Secrets of the Jedi, I fell in love with Siri and the idea that Obi-Wan did have a love...tragic though it was. It just made me love him more and want to see him with his love. Guess I'm a sentimental romantic that way.

I'm not fond of all the "girls / women" he's been paired with in the books, show, etc., but I guess others wanted to explore this part of Obi also, as well as in FF. Some non-Siri shipping with Obi have been really well written and I was able to enjoy them, but the bottom line for me is that Siri is Obi-Wan's "first" and "only" love. To me, he is not a playboy, he's not loose with the ladies, he's not a one night stand kind of guy. When he gives himself to someone (Siri for instance) it is because he has already given his heart and it is deep and heartbreakingly forever. Just like he loved Qui-Gon as a father and Anakin as a brother and son, so he would love his love, totally committed. Thats just the way I see him.

I hope that doesn't make him sound like I think he's perfect. Technically, by loving Qui, Ani and Siri so competely shows how imperfect he is, at least in Jedi eyes..re: the code. He alway did his duty though.

Hope I didn't come off rattling too much, just wanted to put in my thoughts.

 

I sort of like to think of the EU stuff as exaggerated stories - sort of like the tabloids of the Star Wars galaxy. Can't you see something like that happening, especially with a good-looking Jedi war hero? He's seen talking to a woman outside the temple and then all the sudden they're having a torrid love affair The truth is something really a bit more Obi-Wan, like he was only helping her with directions.

I agree it's not in his character at all to be a playboy, or have a meaningless fling. The drama wouldn't be worth it and I think he would want it to mean something, even if there was nothing he could offer her.

 

I sort of like to think of the EU stuff as exaggerated stories - sort of like the tabloids of the Star Wars galaxy. Can't you see something like that happening, especially with a good-looking Jedi war hero? He's seen talking to a woman outside the temple and then all the sudden they're having a torrid love affair The truth is something really a bit more Obi-Wan, like he was only helping her with directions.


Now thats a plot bunny waiting to happen.

During the clone wars, Obi-Wan, the Negotiator, is seen helping a young woman. The Holonet tabloids see him and take holopics that show him close to her or something, and run with it.

Headline: The Negotiator negotiates his way into a young womans heart, and who knows what else?

Siri is furious, Obi is embarrased, he's getting ribbed by Anakin, scowls from the Council members. Yeah, this could be good.

And the truth was he was only helping her with something totally innocent (like with directions, as you said.)

 

Oh my god that is an AWESOME idea. That's how I'm going to think of it as well. I don't see Obi-Wan having either a "serious girlfriend"(to me he's a Jedi through and through and while he may occasionally feel a bit more attached than Yoda would think proper, I think he probably keeps more in line with it than even most other Jedi do) or being a playboy, so yeah, it's all the gossip mongers.

I was actually thinking about that recently, sort of having comic thoughts about it, like you just KNOW there were "Tell us who you think the hottest Jedi General is, place your votes now!" type of things. I mean you just know there were.

Or obviously sometimes the Jedi had to give little news conferences(it's mentioned when Obi-Wan sends Anakin off after rescuing the chancellor so Obi-Wan can return to the temple) and you just know there was some "life and style" reporter in there suddenly interjecting "So tell us how a Jedi knight spends his days off?" and stuff like that.

 

I KNEW IT!!!

 

anakinfansince1983

You mentioned "Both her books". Which books did you read? I also thought there were two books, but then discovered a "first book", called Wild Space. Did you read it? It was an awesome book, I loved it. And she dedicated it to Ewan McGregor, too.

I knew I was missing something when in the book, Stealth, Obi-Wan referred to what happened to him on Zigoola. So I looked and sure enough, there was Wild Space.

Val had introduced me to all the books, but all the reviews kept talking about the two books, Stealth and the sequel, Siege. I wondered where Wild Space fit in, then finally found it.

 

Yeah, I loved it too. I got all three books from the library, read Wild Space twice before returning it (with a few more dog eared pages than it had when I got it). I think KM is the first print author to understand our love of Obi Angst and Obi Torture H/C. Loved the friendship that grew between he and Bail Organa by the end of the book.

I'm now rereading "Steath". Hopefully I can keep it from getting so dog eared by the time I return it.

 

I loved Wild Space that is why I got Stealth and Gambit. I got Wild Space because I was like FINALLY a book that seems to be pretty much all about Obi-Wan. I wasn't disappointed. It is too bad she's done with Star Wars but I loved those books because Obi-Wan got to be a real 3 dimensional character in his own right and a Jedi of immense talent and power.

One thing I loved is that Obi-Wan could actually do thinks Anakin couldn't(it's usually vice versa). Like with the healing in the Stealth/Gambit books(and it's mentioned briefly in WS when Obi-Wan says he can't do something because of his own distress, I think to Bail). And it actually kind of fits canon - in A New Hope, after Luke is attacked by the Sand People, Obi-Wan does something, he touches his hand to Luke's forehead and it's supposed to be some sort of healing thing because Luke was unconscious.

I also really enjoyed the brief insights into Obi-Wan's relationship with the Force - it gives him peace and comfort, he doesn't look upon it just as a tool he can use although obviously it helps him to DO many things, it's very spiritual which how I'd imagined he would feel about it. Most of the time these authors spend so much time telling us about how OTHER people feel, we get very little insight into how Obi-Wan feels about his life outside of Anakin or Qui-Gon.

I also liked that her books actually sort of expand on the idea behind what Dooku said to Obi-Wan in AOTC, remember when he said he was disappointed because Yoda thinks so highly of Obi-Wan. The books kind of give us some insight to the fact that Yoda really DOES think highly of Obi-Wan, not in a "oh he's perfect" kind of way(this is Yoda after all LOL) but he clearly believes Obi-Wan has something truly worthwhile and special about him and if he's going to somehow be as important to the future of the Jedi as Anakin - it's because of WHO Obi-Wan is, not just because he lucked(or bad lucked) into being Anakin's master and so just happened to be the one who was there.

 

Hey is Jude Watson supposed to a bad writer or something? Cause judging from some of your reactions on the possibility of her writing the back-story for Obi/Satine she seems as though she is. Is she?

 

Personally I don't think much of her, she tended to be repetitious but she also seems have no interest in Obi-Wan as a character unto himself, just for how she can use him to allow her to write stories about other characters. The other characters are awesome and Obi-Wan is simply there to witness their awesomeness. I mean the Jedi Apprentice series was named Jedi Apprentice yet it was like some sort of extended love letter to Qui-Gon Jinn, we very rarely got "outside views" on Obi-Wan, at least with any depth. There are a couple of times I remember where Qui-Gon actually seems to give some real thought to his padawan, who he is, what he's going to be, what it is that makes Obi-Wan, Obi-Wan, but mostly it was all about what everything thought about Qui-Gon. I absolutely HATED that she even gave DEX to Qui-Gon, as if Obi-Wan couldn't make a friend of his own.

The first book was written by Dave Wolverton, I think, and I thought that was good and seemed to fit the whole idea that the series was focused on the maturing and growth of Obi-Wan, the Jedi Apprentice in question, but as Jude Watson wrote more and more of the books they seemed to get further away from that. She actually admitted in one interview that her favorite character was Qui-Gon so she enjoyed writing all about him in the books.

anakinfansince1983, I also agree that Zigoola was very creepy, the way it seemed like the whole planet was attacking him. I actually think she probably should have varied it a little in terms of how it happened, not just made it those same visions, but I can understand why she wanted to focus on what it did to Obi-Wan than on the ways in which it accomplished such a thing. It was quite creepy too the way he was able to use that one holocron to contact Yoda and how "freaked out" about it Yoda was(obviously "freaked out" for Yoda is a very relative term). Not to mention how pissed off Palpatine was that Obi-Wan and Bail managed to survive. LOL

I loved the Bail and Obi-Wan friendship and even how it got a little "screen time" in the Stealth/Gambit books. It was funny how Anakin was like "Wait, they are pals now? What the hell?". ;D

Now if only someone would write the novel on how Obi-Wan helps save Alderaan in some way, I'd be a happy camper.

I also agree Miller was fair to both characters which meant for once I didn't end wanting to strangle Anakin just for being such a bloody attention hog.

 

I think were Obi-Wan to be plastered all over holonet tabloids (with that charming smile) with some innocent, unassuming young woman, Siri, or whoever height happen to have or not have a relationship with, would be secure enough to think it was hilarious, and never let him live it down. Be careful who you give directions to! I can absolutely see him, unfamiliar with his new fame, getting himself into a situation like that

I hated the beginning of Wild Space, the post-Geonosis stuff, I felt it just read like an over blown soap opera. I guess I just never saw Yoda or the Jedi in that way and it seemed to completely contradict the Rots novelization, which I loved, when Obi-Wan goes to talk to Padme about Anakin and says he doesn't care what they're relationship is, just that they should think carefully about it. I will keep reading tho, because I love Bail, too, and I look forward to Stealth and Gambit eventually... I have so little time to read

 

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serendipityaey I agree adn take back what I said about Siri being furious. She wouldn't be, she would find it hilarious and definitely never let Obi live it down.

Yes, keep reading Wild Space. I wasn't crazy about the very start either...Yoda and obi-Wan seemed so cold, but then it got into the meat of the book when Obi was being so attacked, and I loved it.

I do also like how she wrote Obi and Ani's relationship. Anakin was so cool in these stories..I found it hard to believe that this same guy would turn and do everything he did. I loved his protectiveness of Obi (and Bail became the same way). I also loved Obi's healing also, and how he gave of himself almost to the brink to help those people.

As for JA I actually liked those books. It introduced me to Obi-Wan as a young teen although I wished she had showed more emotion in the books, esp. between him and Qui-Gon, (I thought Qui-Gon was so cold to him so much of the time, but then he's have warm thoughts about him. He just didn't tell Obi much). I also liked the JQ books, but again it lacked much emotion.

There was so much more I wanted to say in response to everyone, but I can't remember it all now.

 

Yeah, I forgot about that, that Obi-Wan reluctantlyobeyed Yoda by going to Padme's apartment, then disobeyed Yoda by being a friend to Anakin (what he needed) rather than a stern taskmaster. I did like that part also...I think thats when I began to warm up to the way she was writing them.

I did think Yoda got better later also as it was revealed how much he really did care about Obi-Wan, etc.

 

Oh, I don't think Obi-Wan's characterization was off at all -- if I had, I would've stopped reading right there. I think she has him spot on, hence me having hope for the rest of the book and the next two. I just don't think that situation would have ever happened like that. In ROTS, Anakin is angry, unpredictable, distraught and he goes to Yoda and Yoda advises him, tries to help him in his way and nothing else. The Yoda she wrote in that scene and the one I've seen in cannon are not the same Yoda. I know it would be different for a padawan, but I really feel with the Jedi there was a lot more advice and guidance and a lot less of orders. And I didn't see any reason why Yoda would suddenly act like a 'heartless jerk', which is what I felt I was reading. And I stand by the soap opera thing -- the dramatics, the orders, the tears, the ultimatums... oy. I can't see them that way.

And what horrible judgment, going to someone not even in the order, right after everything she'd been through, to tell her who she can and can't be friends with? Any mom can tell you, any independent young woman is going to do just the opposite of what you tell her, if you tell her like that. The Order and Yoda made mistakes; I don't think this would've been one of them.

But yes, I am really enjoying both Anakin and Obi-Wan in the rest of it so far, although as far as I am Obi-Wan's pretty much only been blown up