The Official SHATTERPOINT discussion thread (spoilers allowed)

I just finished Shatterpoint and thought that it was excellent. I can not wait for some more great Clone War action and I really can't wait till Episode III to see how the war ends.

ps: Could Luke take Vastor . . . . ?????

 

Could Luke take Vastor . . . . ?????

With about two weeks of training under his belt Luke was able to do better than virtually any other Jedi had ever done against Darth Vader. Could Luke take Vastor? Look at his track record. Luke has faced Darth Vader, the Emperor, the Reborn Emperor, and all manner of other nasties over the last two and half decades of his life. Any way you want to cut things, at the end of the day, Luke is still standing while most of his enemies have either come over to his side or are dead.

 

Who's Vastor?

 

Could Luke take Vastor?

He could. Maybe not in a hand to hand combat fight, like Mace did first in Shatterpoint, Vastor's size would probably be a little much for Luke. But in lightsaber or force duel, Luke wouldnt have too much of a problem with Vastor. I mean he beat Darth Vader, fought and held his own against a reborn emporer, besides everything else he has done. Vastor is just overmatched by the son of the Chosen One.

 

Did anyone notice how Mace said that Vastor had as much force power as Yoda or possibly Anakin himself?

 

Vastor is a sort of Jungle Jedi, dark.

jedishellyskywalker- Anakin is mentioned on the last page

 

I think that was in a sense of how he used his powers. Lacking inhibitations, drawing strength from the jungle, he was a lot more powerful than his Midiclorian count would suggest. Once he was beaten and taken out of the jungle, Mace was able to handle him by himself on the way back to Coruscant.

 

Right....*sigh*....I'm gonna eat humble pie here.

I'd just like to say that my previous post should be totally ignored.
Having just this minute finished reading this book, I have to say that its actually one of the best SW books I've read.

So Kudos to you there, Matt

Anyway I'll post my review in the other thread.

 

I'll agree with you there.

Anyone get the sense that that first clone commander was the one who told Mace about his five special units?

 

Why would Vastor have a much Forceness as Yoda?

 

I don't know about that.

 

Not as much skill or wisdom. Just raw power. Like Kyp, he's just randomly got a huge midichlorian count.

 

Think of Kar this way.

Say Anakin was not discovered by Qui Gon in TPM. But 20 years later a Jedi runs across him on Tatooine. Now from Anakin they would feel a whole lot of raw force talent, because Anakin has such a high midichlorian count. While he wouldnt be able to use the Force like a Jedi, his natural abilities would probably make him able to manipulate it, none-the-less. Just like Kar does in the jungle.

 

So, Luke could take Vastor. . . I only asked because of Vastor's fight with Mace and its surprising (to me) outcome, and because of Mace's internal dialouge about Vastor (Vastor's Force Strength). I think maybe I should not have been so surprised considering Mace is much older, as Mace points out several times in the story. It is kinda like Qui - Gonn v. Darth Maul: In Qui - Gonn's heyday he probably could have taken Maul one on one. But when it came to just them in Episode I, he falls.


But Luke could definitley take Vastor . . .

 

A fantasy version of 'All Quiet...' and 'Heart of Darkness'? Because the originals weren't good enough...?

 

It is *not* a rewrite of those books. It is its own story, in the same vein: a war novel. Like hundreds of others, and also like them: unique. Yes, there are similarities. Particularly with HoD/Apocalypse Now. But it is not just a retelling set in the GFFA.

 

This isn't a re-write, although this novel is definently easier to read. No, they just borrowed the same themes, and it works quite well.

 

Wow!!!! Until I finished this book I did not realize I was holding my breath. Mr. Stover you are the MASTER! Step-aside Zahn, there's a New Kid in Town!!

First Traitor and Vergere makes one revisit EVERYTHING we THOUGHT we knew about the Force. Now Shatterpoint raises even more questions we may not want answered. Vastor is one POWERFUL Korun. The vibroshields sound COOL as **** It was interesting to observe the contrasts in "Journal-dictating" Light-side Mace and "Vaapad butt-kicking" and "in the penumbra of the dark-side" Mace.

After reading Shatterpoint, it is easier to see why the Jedi were nearly annihilated. In war and in life one must learn to adapt to survive. The Jedi seem to fear POWER. If someone uses the Force and have not been trained at the "Temple" they must either be dark or dangerous. If they are not ripped from the Mother's breast after their birth they are "too old" to train. This short-sightedness is the Jedi's undoing. Mace sees firsthand what an "untrained" Force-user can accomplish. A New Jedi Order was inevitable.

The jungle warfare is definitely reminiscent of the Vietnam Conflict. There ARE no civilians.

Yes Depa you are right--The Jedi have it wrong.

 

That's what I was thinking when I read it, about Vietnam, but also the conflicts in Palestine and Isreal have some relevance, with the constent sniping and shooting.

 

CoK liked Shatterpoint a lot. Nice to get some background on Mace. One thing that came out for CoK was the summertime War and its comparison to the conflict between israel and the rest of the middle east. An old burn is so deep that most of the combatents can not see anyway at all to ever solve the problem (if they even remember the problem).

 

yeah, a lot of lit has influences from real events. It's a pity that they never really end the same way.

 

Has anyone seen Shatterpoint at COSTCO?

regards
thebadge

 

It also reminded me alot of colonial Africa. There seem to be several real-world parallels.

 

Heart of Darkness by Conrad. It's a direct basis for the book.

 

Post #100. I really wish that that E-Book came out.