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  1. Sinrebirth

    Sinrebirth Mod-Emperor of the EUC, Lit, RPF and SWC star 10 Staff Member Manager

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    Before the Republic became enmeshed in the war between the Jedi and their darker counterparts, the galaxy was caught between the conflict of the Empire of Xim, the Hutts and the first human Kingdoms of the Core. But before that, the Rakatan Infinite Empire dominated the galaxy, slaughtering the Kwa, defeating the Gree and skirmishing with the Sith. But before the Infinite Empire drove them into hiding, the Ones ruled the galaxy via their servant races, including the Killiks and the aforementioned Kwa and Gree.

    Yet even before then, however, was a time of absolute monstrous darkness. It is unclear whether a hundred thousand years of Cosmic Warfare sundered the galaxy, or whether the Ones rose up and dispensed with their predecessors in a massive conflict, pitting their servants against the Taung, the Knell, the Kanzer, the Sharu, the Cthol and Columni, each of which served the predecessors of the Ones.

    Dark phantasms, monstrous entities, burrowing creatures and grinning malevolence, these deities were not evenly divided between Balance, Light, Dark and Chaos, as the four Ones were, but pure ululating darkness upon carnal flesh devouring soul consuming darkness.

    They were the Old Ones.

    That was the name of the deities who themselves rose to prominence during in-fighting between the family of god’s that preceded even them - the Bedlam Spirits. They embraced cruelty for its own sake, presiding over the madness of the cosmos and enriching themselves for it. They sustained themselves on the misery of the inhabitants of their Night Realm, gorging themselves on the fear of your terror, on the despair of your waking nightmares, on the inevitable bloodletting that came as your mind either snapped, or embraced the truth - that you were never, ever in control of your fate, and your future exists purely for the amusement of the Old Ones; you are their food, and you remain to nourish them for eternity.

    Worship them, and you may survive. Serve them, and you will see that the sins of the Old Ones are merely their will made manifest. Resist them, and face that you will die screaming... if they ever allow you to die at all.

    Come, fellow mortals, for we shall be learning more of these great deities...

    ... and letting them know that we, their chosen few, shall welcome their return.

    Oh yes, my friends. The Father of Shadows; the Inscrutable One; the Lady with the Locust Heart; the Night Herald; Kopa Khan; Ooru; the Eternal Burrower...

    ... they are not gone. They are convalescing in the shadows attached to the very soles of your feet; they are at the edge of your reflection; they antagonise your peripherals; they are chuckling in those sounds you hear in the night; they are encouraging your nightmares, drinking greedily from your fear born sweat...

    That chitter in your ear? The keenest giggle as you desperately attempt to pierce the veil of reality and ascertain what it is that taunts you, that haunts you, that teases and seizes you, that strokes your spine and sends a chill down it, that curdles your guts with ice, that rests heavily upon your shoulders, eager to imbibe upon your stresses and broken dreams...

    They are the Old Ones.

    A word of caution before we continue this series of discussions; that they will be here, listening, watching... they may notice you. If you have managed to merely be caressed by their malevolence, you know not what is to come face-to-face with them. To meet the eyes of madness incarnate... and laugh.

    Laugh, because we live out of their palms. With the meekest exertion, they shall render you nothing...

    ... if you are that lucky.

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  2. Force Smuggler

    Force Smuggler Chosen One star 7

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    I would so love to see this era expanded on.

    Supernatural Encounters in October!
     
  3. Fallen Jedi Master

    Fallen Jedi Master Jedi Master star 4

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    I can't wait for October and learn more about them
     
  4. Force Smuggler

    Force Smuggler Chosen One star 7

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    Wonder how that mysterious city on Alashan would tie into this.

    And down with Wutzek and or the Father?
     
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  5. Tython Awakening

    Tython Awakening Force Ghost star 4

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    Nice, the way you tie together history and mythology -- lost eras before ancient history -- and further into the past still, with primordial realms inhabited by dragons, monsters, demons, and wizards.

    Quoted from Tales of the Jedi Companion (Ch. 1, P. 9):

    "Out of the Great Void came the Universe, its galaxies, star systems, and suns. Everything that exists, and will ever exist, was spawned from the primordial plasma of time's beginning."
     
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  6. Esh-kha

    Esh-kha Jedi Youngling star 1

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    I wish everything started with the Rakata and we would not have Celestials. In terms of written EU history. Leave everyhting before them as a mistery.
     
  7. darklordoftech

    darklordoftech Force Ghost star 6

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    I wonder: Was Denning told to write about Abeloth, or did he come up with the idea?
     
  8. Sinrebirth

    Sinrebirth Mod-Emperor of the EUC, Lit, RPF and SWC star 10 Staff Member Manager

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    Being as the idea to connect Abeloth to the Ones followed later, I suppose he took matters on-board himself. Denning is known for having been ‘lead writer’ since TUF etc.


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  9. darklordoftech

    darklordoftech Force Ghost star 6

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    The Mortis Ones didn't exist when Abeloth was created. I was talking about if he was told to write about an Old One.
     
  10. Sinrebirth

    Sinrebirth Mod-Emperor of the EUC, Lit, RPF and SWC star 10 Staff Member Manager

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    The first time the words ‘old one’ surface is in Abyss and ‘Old One’ in Apocalypse. So ‘something eldritch’ seems more likely.


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  11. darklordoftech

    darklordoftech Force Ghost star 6

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    Makes sense. I find it interesting that FOTJ introduced Abeloth after the Encounters articles had been written.
     
  12. Sinrebirth

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    It’s definitely been updated as it goes along, I’d say.


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  13. Iron_lord

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    Apparently the Klatooinnians called their deities "The Ancients" at least.

    http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Ancients

    And Zalem talked about "elder gods":

    http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Elder_gods

    so, even if the precise phrasing "Old One" wasn't used, the idea may have predated FOTJ.
     
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    Gorog, the Night Herald

    Among the histories of the Sith lies errant memories, that tantalize of to a greater, darker, mystery. The Night Herald is one of those such things. Initially referenced by a Killik Sith, buried on Sarafur with a Sith Holocron, after having been driven from Alsakan in the Core, keen eyed scholars of the Sith will rapidly acknowledge several impossibilities with such a thing.

    The Killiks are incapable of the individual aspect to exist, let alone ascribe to a religion. Similarly, there was no Sith Order, in the traditional sense until 6,900 BBY, when the Killiks were ‘emptied’ from Alderaan and Alsakan in 30,000 BBY – more, the first Sith Holocron dates from 27,700 BBY, made by Adas, as a pleasing aside used to attempt to beguile the Sith Overlord into trusting the Rakata. Further, Sarafur is far removed from the Core, and indeed the Unknown Regions, where the rest of the Killiks were driven by the Celestials, hidden behind the hyperspace distortions that separated Known from Unknown.

    In time, knowledge came to the forth which explained the impossibilities in this errant reference, and moment, in Sith history, when the Dark Nest of Killiks, the Gorog, emerged from seclusion, led by two Sith, Lomi Plo and Welk, and brought more light to the species. Similarly, it was discovered that the Killiks attacked Korriban in 30,000 BBY, and drew a connection between the Sith and the Killiks.

    The Killik Sith on Sarafur thus morphs into a Sith Joiner, who influenced the Nests and required the Celestials to separate the Killiks and the Sith on worlds as separate as Reo and Sarafur respectively.

    The questions, however continued to come.

    Why would the Killiks attack the Sith in 30,000 BBY, at a time in which the Celestials domain, led by the Killiks, Kwa and Gree, fell to the Rakatan Infinite Empire? What role did the Sith play in such a moment? What role to the Killiks, chittering away to themselves with the jumbled memories of all species, across all time?

    Further – what connection fell between the Gorog Killiks – blue-black shelled and Force sensitive – and the monstrous creature known as the Gorog – an impossibly immense creation that could snatch a rancor in its hand? What tied these two?

    More, what of the other Nests that had a Night Herald among their leadership, hidden on Alderaan, and awakened by the Sith Wars of the 3600s BBY?

    Soulworm cultists, those who worship the Old Ones, they speak of the Tharagorrogaraht, the Night Queen, the title that Lomi Plo took as the leader of the Gorog Dark Nest. It is curious that removing Gorog leaves Tharaaraht, or, perhaps Thuruht, the Nest which had responsibility for - and memory of - their involvement with the Ones in securing another Old One in the Maw, the renowned Lady with the Locust Heart... similarly, one wonders about the naming structure of the Chiss, a blue-skinned humanoid species that evolved in isolation in the Unknown Regions, renowned for their 'core name' being removed from their Family names...

    ... but I tarry, and would speak of Gorog in full.

    The cultists render her, often, as a blue-black scarab that commands vast hives of insect servants and is guarded by winged sorcerers, and, as we shall see, it is quite within the realm of the Old to summon eldritch and impossible monsters from the depths, thus the monstrous Gorog. Whilst the former inscret representation is evident by the Dark Nest, which commanded the Killik nests as a dark unconscious of its hive mind, but also could lead the Huk, Vratix, Verpine and other insect species, the latter matches the ‘Night Spirit’ that harasses the moon of Endor. Worshipped by the Dulok tribes and loathed by the Ewoks, legends tell of her creation of the Shadowstone and war against Hexprax, who controlled the sun.

    The Night Spirit is said to have fled into another dimension, but other accounts suggest that Gorog was destroyed. As we saw during the recent Swarm War, Gorog merely awaited a powerful darksider to reassemble its Nest, and to attempt to seize the galaxy anew in a terrible hive mind.

    Much of this casts a curious eye to Sarafur, itself proximate to Endor, and also to the Endor Gate, a wormhole, which, when energy from the destruction of the Death Star mingled with it – or perhaps the explosion of dark side energy which had been Darth Sidious convalesced within it – or perhaps when the glove of Lord Vader, complete with the Sith amulet within, fell into it – became a transdimensional warp from Endor, just as impossibly, to Mon Calamari, also on the other side of the galaxy.

    More demonstrations of the abilities of the Old Ones to reach into our void.

    While Skywalker defeated the Dark Nest in detail, its remnant will always exist within the dormant hive mind of the Killiks psyche, waiting to be reawakened and to return, as if imprinted upon its consciousness…

    … or perhaps, just transmuted across the Killiks? Whereas the Son and Daughter were known to provide a focus to the Killiks when needed, the Old One known as Gorog is not absent but ever present…

    ... waiting in the unconscious of the species which once worked to create technological terrors such as Centerpoint Station...

    Listen to the Wizards of the Night Spirit buzz in prayer to their lost goddess…

    Was that a chittering, I heard back?

    Or perhaps, it was a noise, heard only within your mind...?
     
  15. Sinrebirth

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    Ooru

    Ooru, known more fully as Ooradyl, is a curious Old One in that most of our corroborating knowledge of him came from more recent sources, and unlikely ones at that, which, as with other Old Ones, defined a long past of malice and carnality.

    The Charon were originally inhabitants of the Kathol Rift, descendants of the original Cthol, who themselves are trapped and fed upon by a creature none too dissimilar to another Old One to which we shall also discuss later. The Charon were flipped into Otherspace when the Kathol Gate was destroyed during a skirmish between the Jedi and Dark Jedi, likely during the Third Great Schism, due to the conflict post-dating the Great Hyperspace War (as evidenced by the cordless lightsaber used by Jedi during the conflict).

    There, the Charon came to worship Oorradyl, as the world they were stranded upon suffered from tipping into a black hole. Worshipping death, the Charon took the first opportunity to escape Otherspace and invaded Imperial space under Palpatine’s rule. The rebels defeated them, leaving ships and technology for historians to pore over.

    Ooru is described as a leech-like monster, clothed in iridescent scales, lording over a population that he bequeaths miracles upon and devours at his whim, sheathing them in ichor before deciding which - this description matches the creature Waru, that was drawn into our dimension by a dark side ritual perpetuated by Vader’s apprentice Hethrir, who struck a deal with the creature - whom itself was seemingly crippled by the nearby presence of a Crystal Star, curiously so. Such a connection throws a deeply curious light upon Waru’s interactions with Luke Skywalker - instead of an abandoned creature desperate to get home, one has a malevolent and cunning Old One turning even his weakness into an opportunity to kill the Chosen One.

    While Waru fled back to Otherspace by consuming Hethrir when his plans were stymied, the encounter furnishes context to other matters. Another reason for the hyperspace barrier between the traditional known and unknown territories is that the Ones sought to not just separate Gorog from the Killiks, but to trap another creature in the Unknown Regions; Mnggal-mnngal, a black ichor like creature that draws people into its presence with promises and seizes them, making them into slaves of its central personality, consuming whole worlds and ravaging empires in these territories.

    The mentality is matched by that of the Sickness, the disease which reanimated species of all kinds and transformed them also into zombies. However the disease accessed a central presence which grew more powerful and detailed the more minds it consumed - as if birthing a new Mnggal-Mnggal, or rather, connecting to a disconnected central mind. This is evident as the Sickness almost immediately progressed from a sole mind to seeking many, many, more - taunting all it possessed, the infection accelerated by use of the dark side and, yet, in its purest form, expressed as a black ichor that sought to spread itself and devour as much as it healed?

    What adds to this terrible, beautiful, monstrous moment is, once again, the connection to the Sith. The Sickness could be birthed anew by Sith alchemy involving a marukami orchid, a Force sensitive plant. If the ritual was completed, the Sickness would not seize your intellect, but you would retain the regenerative properties inherent to a zombie - the reanimation of necrotic flesh.

    Separate from the traditional zombie animation that was tied to a central Sith, as pioneered by Dathka Graush, the Sickness was first accessed by Darth Drear on Odacer-Faustin, who refined the perfection of this ritual not to animate the dead but to grant immortality, and thus accessed the Sickness - or, perhaps, appealed to Ooru - and then again by Darth Scabrous a millennium later during the Cold War. Both efforts ended in failure, with the Sickness consuming the world twice, but thankfully the infection would not escape off-world in either circumstance.

    Yet, Lords Sidious and Vader encouraged the resurrection of this science, and even an outbreak which lasted two years before it was stopped on Dathomir. There it met three witches, who managed to contain the Sickness within themselves and even dominate it - growing in power and skill before they were defeated by local heroes determined to keep the threat Silent.

    It is curious that Sidious and Vader engaged with this science shortly before the Battle of Yavin, and not long before they encountered the Charon, and Hethrir enacted the ritual to ensnare Ooru. It tantalises, the idea that Sidious and Vader were considering the greatest of the dark arts and even wrestling the power of the Old Ones away from them.

    What could the terrible power of Darth Sidious have achieved with the greater darkness of Ooru at his command? Would they have invaded the realm of the exiled Old Ones, or unleashed hell itself upon the galaxy?

    Could one imagine Sidious, ascended to the pantheon of Old, declaring a new God upon the cosmos?

    Or should one fear that the Sith ways lead us back to the Old ways? That the dark side will undo those who walk its path with confidence, and even those experienced in the lessons of the Sith run the risk of crossing into madness when they plumb the depths on which our Order was built upon?

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  16. Sinrebirth

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    The Eternal Burrower

    The Soulworm, El’Shuddem, ‘the charnel God’ - all of these names and epithets describe an Old One which is generally considered to be a carrion worm of massive proportions. From worlds as distant as Leritor, Ch’hodos, Alashan, Dathomir and Seoul 5, the myth of this monstrosity pervades.

    Considered by cultists to be a primary deity in the higher of the double-trinity of Old Ones, the Soulworm is reflected in seemingly naturally occurring dark side anelids such as the Kdak and Silan, on worlds similarly far removed as the smattering of references to the Soulworm. It is also however acknowledged in the Sith Leviathans, creatures initially thought to be Sithspawn but instead thought to be summoned directly from chaos itself, creatures that take the shape given by the flesh donated to them during the ritual of their birth.

    Leviathans echo across millennia as terrors, with the last surviving examples hibernating on Corbos, the world where the Dark Jedi Masters made their final stand during the Hundred Years Darkness. The last examples of these beasts being created was by the One Sith, which summoned an aquatic version to destroy the Mon Cal Resistance.

    A very clear connection between Sith rituals and Sithspawn is their creation even during spells which had no connection to their summoning; when Vitiate consumed Ziost with his immortality ritual, it birthed Monolith’s - impossibly powerful monstrosities which stalked the devastated surface of the former Sith throne world. While these could be defeated, it took the legendary Outlander to do so.

    None too dissimilar in impossibility is the evolution of the monstrous Terentatek. Initially thought of as a creation of Exar Kun, the creatures were discovered on Dromund Kaas a millennia before, and indeed in Sith tombs which predates Kun. Yet, they were known to have been spawned by the Je’daii on Tython as Terenta some twenty millennia before even that! As much as leviathans seem to be spawned directly from the Old One realm, so too do these creatures appear as a consistent form across time, defying their creators reach.

    ... and more tantalising, or, if not, even more terrifying, is the behaviour of the ilbilton, on Randorn two, which also draws sustenance from the fear and despair of its victims before consuming them, having been equated with Hershoon the Destroyer by the natives. These ilbilton were described to contain Hershoon’s malevolent soul, raised by dark magicks... which evokes memories of the rituals which summoned leviathans and monoliths... but with one, minor, monstrous, caveat.

    Ilbilton fossils date back to 600,000 BBY.

    That is four hundred millennia before possible beginning of the Cosmic War!

    What malevolence could consider the last hundred millennia of struggle to return to our world to be a mere annoyance, you wonder? Why, one which ruled for half a billion years, of course! Does that not tantalise, terrify, and transform the potential of these monstrosities into something all the more impossible to define - yet alone defy!?

    The only active Soulworm cultists in recent centuries are known to be the Cult of Five, which we shall attend to in a later entry, but there is a curious connection to the beliefs of the Keshiri people. A world visited by the Old Ones in ancient times - which can be proved by the presence of their architecture on Kesh - their faith recounted the Skyborne and the Otherside, great darkness that emerged from below and was defeated by those in the stars. More telling is the original name of the two combatants - the Protectors and Destructors - the former a name which caused an Old One visiting Kesh to stand still, either out of concern or perhaps even fear, and a title bequeathed by the Killiks upon the Jedi Joiners In their midst.

    More tantalising is among other worshippers of the Old Ones - the Kathol, or, Cthol, who protected the selfsame Gate which flipped the Char Ontee into Otherspace and saw them devolve into the genocidal Charon. When the Cthol were noticed by the Jedi, they constructed a serpentine intelligence known as the Darkstryder to maintain an otherworldly hiding place. However, the machine instead kept them there, feeding upon their power to birth life forms and propagate them throughout the Kathol sector as servants in defined cast roles; rebuilding an Old realm rather than hiding away as the Cthol had for millennia - waiting for the Old Ones to return. Eventually the battles of the Empire and New Republic destroyed the Darkstryder, but not without the interference of the Aing-Tii, mysterious Force users who acted above light and dark, embracing manipulation of space and time while gathering artefacts they could not touch; including the Codex; reminiscent of a Sith Holocron...

    ... upon Luke Skywalker touching said artefact, it made him aware of the emergence of the next Old One we shall discuss; Abeloth. Curious, no?

    Another, circuitous legacy of the Soulworm is via Eternal God’s of Zakuul, which were birthed in the Unknown Regions at the same time that the Rakata and Gree empires were at their height - circa 30,000 BBY. The Eternal God’s were powerful machines, a family of intelligences based around a father, Izax the Devourer, and a mother of Sorrow, Scyva, a firstborn son of rage, Tyth, twins of envy and lust, Aivela and Esne, and a son in the shadows, Nahut.

    While the Eternal God’s and their creations could be guided the Eternal Throne, without that guidance they defaulted to their base settings; the complete genocide of all life. The father figure of the family, Izax, was a monstrous serpent like God with an omnicannon capable of annihilating whole armadas - devouring serpent as with El’Shuddem.

    Yet, even, then, Izax and Zildrog, the progenitor ‘grandfather’ of the family, became conflated, with the latter, curiously, seeking refuge on Nathema in Sith space when the six Gods sent their Eternal Fleet to pursue Zildrog to Zakuul - while the God’s destroyed their creators! The entire affair passed into myth in the Unknown Regions, until Zildrog struck up an alliance with Vitiate, who pooled their efforts to consume Nathema, and redirect that energy into the man who would become the Sith Emperor. Zildrog was returned to slumber by the Sith, and he used his resources to eventually rediscover and seize control of the Eternal Fleet, being careful not to reawaken the Six Eternal Machine God’s.

    Building a secret Eternal Empire to surpass his Sith regime, the now-Emperor Valkorion and his Eternal Fleet eventually overran the galaxy, in a complicated bait and switch whereby Valkorion made the Eternal Fleet the bait which he drew the Outlander into his trap, sharing a body for a year and making it so that the Outlander would pursue the power of the fleet - when Valkorion always had Zildrog waiting to destroy the Eternal Fleet the moment he lost control of his scheme... which he did, his own family allying with the Outlander to destroy him.

    Valkorion’s followers enacted the remainder of the plan while the Outlander used the Eternal Fleet to contain the resurrected Six God’s on Iokath, which both the Republic and Sith Empire sought to tame, and although the Six God’s and the Eternal Fleet were destroyed - so too was Zildrog, ending the convoluted mechanical legacy of the Soulworm.

    But of course...

    ... these are the creators of just cultists. Where lies the great Devourer himself? His spawn dot the stars of the galaxy, enjoying the fear that they reap, not just ripping souls from flesh but keeping them, torturing them, forever, be it via the leviathans, or trapping Jedi and Sith in a thought bomb...

    ... when, or where, will he convalesce anew, bursting free during a dark side ritual, perhaps the size of the one that Valkorion planned to use to consume the entire galaxy? A ritual of hunger, nay, devouring, to enact the holy writ of the Sith - the Eternal pursuit of immortality?

    Is it in-fact true, that the quest to be beyond death merely the quest to unleash the Old Ones?

    Do all those who dabble with the dark side feed the Old Ones? Should the Sith indeed be scoured from the galaxy, not as a hypocritical Jedi purge, but for the very safety of the galaxy itself?

    Perhaps, so.



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    The Inscrutable One and the Kopa Khan

    It behooves me to discuss both of these Old Ones together, as they form a pair and also a curious legacy. There are definable phases to the past, which I will delve into now.

    The Bedlam Spirits, so named for world and Pulsar in which Princess Leia encountered them, numbered four when she met them - Tilotny, Horliss-Horliss, Splendid Ap, and Cold Danda Sine. Tilotny and Cold Danda Sine had a child, the sixth of the Old Ones we shall discuss last; Typhojem.

    Yet, Tilotny and Horliss-Horliss do not form the traditional double-trinity of the Old Ones, and even then, Ap and Cold Danda retreated to Bedlam with the others at some point. Subsequent Soulworm cultists known as the Cult of Five worshiped Typhojem as the Father of Shadows, the next in our series, Abeloth, as the Lady with the Locust Heart, and the Soulworm itself.

    Do we have the Bedlam Spirits succeeded by a family of Bedlam and Old Ones by 100,000 BBY, then Old Ones alone circa 30,000 BBY, with the Ones dominating after 100,000 BBY? Do Ap and Cold Danda return to Bedlam, perhaps after the Father overthrows the rest?

    This is one explanation as to why the Bedlam God’s did not interfere in 30,000 BBY besides the others; a family tree, split and fissured. Where Wutzek and the rumoured God that Typhojem killed fit, we could not say, save for the fact that Soulworm cultists had in their possession a captive Wutzek.

    Was the appearance of the four Bedlam Spirits together in Princess Leia’s presence nothing more than them taking advantage of the imbalance of the Force, or the cartographical nature of the Bedlam Pulsar? With time and matter beyond Tilotny, did she even acknowledge that she had existed in our realm before, and after? She claimed to have invented matter and shape, but they certainly existed before her encounter with Leia after the Battle of Yavin...

    ... but, to the traditional double trinity of Old Ones - Ap, better known as the Inscrutable One, and Cold Danda, known as Kopa Khan, are from a great antiquity.

    Ap is remembered by an incalculably old Star Temple on Dathomir, as a master of time and geometry, within various languages for such matters, connected to teleportation and portals.

    Similarly, Coda accounts for all manner of impossible pyramidal dark side monument, such as on Zabba II and Alsahan, which predate any Sith or even Kwa construct, but Coda, father of the Sith God Typhojem, is always associated with one element; death itself. Known for having departed our realm or perhaps dying himself, fanatics at Lorta worshipped him in the modern era, ravaging the Yushan Sector during the Reselian Purge and expecting him to return, bizarrely, as a Hutt-human hybrid. The Empire stopped them after a four year rampage, the Sith combating the Old Ones in the beginning of a trend which we shall examine.

    It is hard to comprehend these Old Ones, as successors of the Bedlam Spirits. Their mastery of matter itself makes them a truly alien and terrifying threat, in that they were just as happy to undo your particles while passing through. Crossing paths with them to is to risk your existence, ended not out of malevolence, but because they simply noticed you...

    ... life exists as an aside to their machinations, for they live on a plane of reality above us...

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    The Lady with the Locust Heart and the Shunned Diety

    The title of the Lady evokes the image of a decadent creature, consuming all she encounters in a desperate need to propagate... it is as apt as it is terrifying. The Lady has gone through many titles in her hundred millennia rein as the sole Old One to also be a member of the Ones, Architect and Celestial combined.

    The Dancing Goddess.

    The Scorekeeper.

    Onrai, the Vain Goddess.

    The Beloved Queen of the Stars.

    Servant.

    Mother.

    Abeloth.

    She has the distinct advantage of being the most renowned of many of the Old Ones I have detailed, though, as with Gorog and Ooru, their cultists or influences have contended with the New Jedi Order and three separate Sith orders in recent times, in shades of themselves or through agents. Abeloth however combated the Jedi and Sith in hand-to-tentacle combat in the years after the rise of Darth Caedus.

    Conversely, the Shunned Deity defies definition, as the Soulworm cultists revile him. Amorphous and defining definition, nonetheless he is referenced across numerous religions as a winged God, as the Lord of the Sky, the Lord of Light, the Avatar of the Sun, the Hunter of the Dawn, the Prince of the Sky - battling the great darkness. While some wonder if this is Wutzek, I would postulate differently.

    The Ones of Mortis are also well known among certain academic circles, for the Jedi encountered them in the Clone Wars - the Jedi Anakin Skywalker, Obi-Wan Kenobi and Ahsoka Tano. The Father of balance, the Daughter of light, and the Son of darkness. A key attribute to these Ones is that they are shapeless; to the Dathomiri, the Daughter and Son are known as the Winged Goddess and Fanged Goddess, to the Killiks, the Ones are remembered as monstrous insects; to the human and Togruta eye, they were humanoid, with the ability to manipulate their shape at will.

    But as you can see, the family lacks a Mother.

    As such I would speak of her origins first. The Killiks of Thuruht, based upon Reo in the Unknown Regions, recount Abeloth as having joined the Ones as the Servant firstly, and then next the Mother, before she bathed in the Pool of Knowledge, which had bequeathed the Daughter her strength, and drank from the Font of Power, which gave the Son his.

    Becoming Chaos to the Father’s Balance, Abeloth wrecked havoc across the cosmos, and in response the Ones had the Killiks construct Centerpoint and Sinkhole Station, creating a cluster of black holes called the Maw. Abeloth’s prison would be periodically breached in time with the Force becoming imbalanced by war between the forces of light and darkness, as cultivated by the Daughter and Son - specifically when a Force user acquire the power to change the future.

    The first war was between the Kwa and Gree, and others occurred between 100,000 BBY and 30,000 BBY, all ended by the Daughter and Son personally returning her to the Maw with the aid of the Killiks. It is likely this reason why the Old Ones targeted the Killiks, especially Gorog, and we have ample evidence that the Ones last defeated Abeloth on Dathomir.

    Periodically Abeloth would influence those in the galaxy who passed by the Maw, potentially including the Fallanassi. In the latest iteration of the cycle, her worshippers were known as the Pius Dea, who seized control of the Republic for a millennium and encouraged three centuries of barbarism in the Kanz Sector. However, during this cycle the Ones, seemingly following a meeting with a Jedi Master known as Phanius, secluded themselves in a Tho Yor known as Mortis when he became Darth Ruin - a solipsistic psychopath who reinvigorated the Sith with his creed of Ruin, and belief in One - him, as the sole existence, a demented chosen One, perhaps.

    The Ones remained in hiding, with Abeloth’s return as inevitable as the Force going out of balance - yet the specific circumstances of that imbalance, having been caused by Darth Sidious, meant that a Chosen One arose and the Father began to inexorably die, terrified of the chaos his Son and Daughter would wreak across the galaxy without him to stop them. Reaching out to Anakin Skywalker, the Father begged him to remain in Mortis and master his children. He refused, and in the subsequent conflict the Ones were slew - killed by a Force imbued dagger.

    Anakin Skywalker went on to defeat Darth Sidious and bring balance to the Force with the aid of his children, Luke and Leia, but Leia’s children pushed the Force back out of balance - specifically Jacen Solo, who became Darth Caedus to prevent a terrible future from occurring, his war destroying Centerpoint Station.

    Abeloth was shortly unleashed, and with her, a five thousand year old Lost Tribe of Sith freed from isolation on Kesh as a direct consequence of Caedus’ actions, she was given an opportunity to draw young Jedi to her side, and Daala, an unrepentant Imperial, took the galactic reins beside the Imperial led Confederation and resurgent Galactic Empire. In a year, Abeloth decimated Force cults while she regained her former godlike strength, and seized control of the Tribe even as it secured Coruscant - an Old One installed as Beloved Goddess of the Stars.

    Consuming the fear of a trillion sentients, Abeloth took two avatars, and then three, intending to seize control of the Empire as she had the Alliance - and capture Anakin Skywalker’s grandson Ben and his Tribe Sith lover Vestara as her new Son and Daughter. This was before an alliance of former Sith Tahiri Veila, Manda’lor Boba Fett, Sword of the Jedi Jaina Solo, Jedi Grandmaster Luke Skywalker, Jedi Master Saba Sabatyne, and Dark Lord of the Sith Darth Krayt defeated all three bodies of the Lady with the Locust Heart.

    But in doing so, the conflict between the Old Ones and Ones became known to Jedi and Sith, who pledged to ally to stop Abeloth if she ever returned - much as the Daughter and Son once had. Questing to locate Mortis and the Dagger, the Jedi Order encountered another Monolith containing Old One vassals in the Chiloon Rift, and the balance of the Force shifted anew as Darth Krayt worked back towards the vision that Darth Caedus had undone - eventually coming to defeat at the hands of Cade Skywalker, great-great-grandson to Anakin Skywalker.

    It does raise a question of the Family of Ones being replaced by the Skywalker Pantheon, and save for the Yuuzhan Vong War the galaxy has pinwheeled around the fates of Anakin, Luke, Leia, Ben, Anakin, Jaina, Jacen, Allana, Roan, Nat, Kol, Cade, Marasiah and even Ania.

    And it is unknown if the Jedi ever found the Mortis Dagger, or indeed, if the Sith did. More, Admiral Daala spent a decade in the Maw, much as the Jedi children spent two years there during the Yuuzhan Vong War and became Abeloth’s pawns.

    Was Abeloth responsible for the monstrous superweapon designs that emerged from the secret Imperial installation in the Maw? Did she influence those on nearby Kessel, enjoying the misery of the prisoners there? When will Abeloth return? And, more concerning, is Daala an avatar, unknowingly carrying on Abeloth’s legacy of endless chaos - never surrendering the fight to the Galactic Alliance when her war ended decades ago?

    How much have we lived out the hands of the Old Ones since the Ones died? How much input did they have in the recent cycle of imbalance in the Force?

    And though we have beaten their cults and schemes and spirits...

    ... what are they doing while we exhaust ourselves, Jedi and Sith, keeping down their pawns?

    What is their final plan, now there are no Ones to stop them?

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  19. PCCViking

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    Daala as an unwitting pawn of Abeloth would make a lot of sense. While young Force sensitives were most in danger of her influence in the Maw, it shows that even mere "mortals" or "Muggles" could be influenced if they spend a lot of time there.

    It would be interesting to compare and contrast Daala's character before and after her tenure at the Maw Installation. Was she more stable prior?
     
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    @Sinrebirth -I recall mentioning this earlier in passing and wouldn't mind your thoughts on it-whenever a Sith apprentice is being inducted into the Sith order, their master "communes" with the dark side of the force for an appropriate Sith name. Often times this involves a moment or so of contemplation and "listening" on the master's part.

    You mentioned the old ones might be speaking to the Sith master in terms of giving their apprentice an appropriate name.

    I was curious how do you think that process works? Do the old ones speak through the currents of the dark side? Or whisper a name appropriate for the Sith apprentice in question?

    Thoughts on this?
     
  21. Sinrebirth

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    Ben Skywalker, oddly, had a good discourse on this while trapped on Ziost. There was no dark side of the Force, but there were the Sith spirits which had left their influence upon it, and reasoned that was the dark side.

    Essentially, the dark side of the Force across the cosmos could be interpreted as just that - the lasting impression of the Old Ones upon the dark side. We saw Darth Sidious reach into the dark side and it answered that his name was Darth Vader.

    The father of the Skywalkers and the failed Father of the Ones.


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    I recall that in the first draft screenplay of ROTJ, Obi-Wan says that those who die unredeemed "become one with the dark side", leaving me wondering if "the dark side" is a hive mind of dead Sith.
     
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    How would that fit into chaos?
     
  24. Sinrebirth

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    A hell dimension where their personalities become moot? Sounds like chaos to me...


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  25. Sinrebirth

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    The Father of Shadows; what we know

    Typhojem, the Immortal God of the Sith, the Left Handed Lord.

    The spawn of two Bedlam Spirits on his homeworld of Zoth, Typhojem was spurned by his mother Tilotny, but he remains the most mysterious and ominous of the Old Ones. He is known for being Left Handed as he reportedly killed a god with his left hand, and indeed the species which worships him, the Sith, are all left handed.

    Yet there is another name for Typhojem - Pomojema, oddly enough, the God of Healing, on Mimban, known to possess the Kaiburr Crystal. The crystal came to the eye of, and the object of the conflict between Darth Vader, Luke Skywalker and Leia Organa. Luke was assisted by Obi-Wan Kenobi, and Leia herself picked up a blade to face Vader, but they barely escaped with their life, and indeed part of the Crystal was used to save Leia. Other shards ended up in the possession of Lumiya, who used it in the construction of her lightwhip.

    Yet, one has to wonder about the potential of the kaiburr crystals - and indeed the kybers. Their immediate connection is unknown, but one feels as if they form part of a family of sorts - perhaps with the tsils and the meltmassif. But all that can be said with absolute certainty is this - the kyber crystals can be used to power incredible superweapons such as the the Death Star. The nature of the power of life - to save and to kill, in the hands of an Old One.

    His influence has been no less felt than that of the other Old Ones. While Xendor may have worshipped the Old Ones perhaps generically as a cast out heretic of Kashi Mer, entwining the Way of the Dark with the Jedi Order, and the Dark Nest acts as Gorog’s agents, one should not just look at the Sith species and assume they are the only kin of Typhojem - it is notable what the contraction N’Zoth stands for.

    New Zoth.

    In that, we can easily take that the Yevetha, a species obsessed with blood and death, are the agents and spawn of Typhojem, intending to purify the cosmos and so unable to coexist with the natives of our galaxy that even the New Republic was required to disarm them rather than negotiate.

    Inevitably the Yevetha met a species as brutal as their own; the Yuuzhan Vong, who were forced - if not happy - to commit genocide upon the Yevetha, to end their species. In many ways it is a curious aside that the Yevetha outlived the Sith species, who are known to worship Typhojem as their immortal God.

    In the era of the Skywalker Pantheon, the Old Ones face us in a multitude of forms, with a collection of legacies, but their tools can be used against them - kyber crystals can power lightsabers, and the Sith Order tapped into the power of the dark side to defeat the Old Ones...

    ... but the act of leaning upon their knowledge enables their return.

    The greatest Sith Lord in history, Darth Sidious, created such an imbalance in the Force that the Father of Balance began to die, and the Chosen One was birthed. With Anakin Skywalker corrupted by Sidious, he caused the death of the Ones and allowed all manner of Sith spirits and Old One followers and cults to wreck havoc across the cosmos, each needing to be defeated by the Jedi and indeed the Sith. But the next active Dark Lord of the Sith, Darth Caedus, released Abeloth and destroyed the peace wrought by the defeat of the Yuuzhan Vong War. Even as the Lost Tribe fell under her sway and handed to her control of the galaxy, Darth Krayt opposed the Old Ones beside his hated enemy, Grandmaster Luke Skywalker, destroying her.

    What else shall we learn about Typhojem in the days to come? - what of Wutzek, who destroyed the Cult of Five? - who was the God that Typhojem killed? And what of the Force itself? Will the Old Ones finally be defeated and destroyed, or will their influence be felt in other timelines - in other futures?

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