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Though there is the issue of how the Rebel Alliance learns about the second Death Star in Legends, since I think there is some conflict between the current storyline of the Marvel run and Shadows of the Empire.. However, I do think that a time skip could potentially be fit between issues #24 and issues #26. The first twenty-four issues with the threat of Commander Zahra and that needs to take place directly after the events of The Empire Strikes Back. Once she is dealt with, I think some time could pass before the Unity Day attack seen in issue #26.

 

Here is a writeup giving my current thoughts on how the Roninverse melds with Legends (avoiding major spoilers for the comic.)

Empress Marasiah Fel: The Great Negotiator

The creation of the Galactic Triumvirate was perhaps the greatest act of statecraft ever taken on in the two hundred years after the founding of the First Galactic Empire, outclassing the both the Galactic Concordance and the Pellaeon-Gavrisom Treaty while also gaining total Galactic hegemony from a position of almost no legitimate holdings. Empress Marasiah Fel negotiated into existence a new Galactic Empire, one that incorporated both the Jedi Order and the Galactic Alliance into its hierarchy by inventing a feudal model. Though the first decade was still full of uncertainty as to the balance of power, by 150ABY Empress Fel had completed the reunification of the Jedi Order and the Imperial Knights and the reincorporation of the Galactic Alliance-in-exile into Imperial hierarchy as the Alliance of Independent Systems.

Swearing allegiance to a Galactic Emperor simultaneously holding the title of Jedi Grandmaster, the Jedi Council was given over to the seats of the Jedi Lords, and the Order was largely organized into clans each subservient to a lord and given to a certain territory from which they could pool new padawan leaners. The red armor of the Imperial Knights became incorporated into the typical Jedi garb as within a generation "Jedi Knight" had become synonymous with most loyal servant of the Empire.

The Galactic Alliance was reorganized into the Alliance of Independent Systems, otherwise known as the Mid-Rim Alliance because of its political center, an autonomous region of the Empire not represented on the Moff Council and instead headed by a Chairman, operating on a parliamentary model. The Chairman continued to answer to the Emperor, and many Jedi who had been particularly long-lived and politically opposed to the new Order continued to operate within the Alliance. Overtime the region became known for its libertine attitudes, but anti-Imperial sentiments would eventually simmer down. The Alliance was effectively Empress Fel's way of avoiding another CIS or Rebellion under her new Empire, a release valve for political pressure elsewhere in the Galaxy.

Under Marasiah's heir Emperor Fel V, an era of peace and reconstruction came upon the Galaxy. The Chiss Ascendancy had formally folded into the Empire and the Unknown Regions had largely been explored, pushed to the very fringe of the Galactic Barrier and parts of Wild Space; the new frontier were Firefist and the Rishi Maze, the former of which had been where Darth Nihl and the One Sith had fled. Art and architecture flourished, taking cues from traditional Tapani designs after Empress Fel had relocated the capital to a new Bastion, the planet Rei'izu in the Tapani Sector. However, the organization of the Jedi into a rigid structure was being tested; the lives of inexperienced Jedi with few holdings were largely undervalued by their Lords and used as cannon fodder in petty wars against pirate fleets. Because of this, the Jedi Lords grew distant and came to rival one another for the Emperor's favor. By the year 181ABY, or 200 years since the founding of Darth Sidious' Empire, the Jedi Order would suffer another Great Schism.

A Jedi Knight (whose name has been erased by the ISB in an effort to purge knowledge of the war) betrayed his oath to the Emperor and aligned himself with a Dathomiri Witch skilled in the arts of necromancy. Recruiting young Jedi from the clans, the new Dark Lord of the Sith led a rebellion against the Jedi Lords, aiming to supplant them as the favored bodyguards of the Emperor; the Sith managed to capture Rei'izu, but were eventually crushed when the Jedi Lords put aside their rivalries and sieged Rei'izu. In fact, the Sith Rebellion would come to be known as the second of the Little Schisms; the first being when Empress Jaina Fel left the Jedi Order to found the Imperial Knights.

Some Sith survived but were little more than lordless Jedi leading pirates in petty raids on the Outer Rim. They hardly held a candle to the One Sith that had terrorized the Galaxy fifty years ago, or to the rumors of a surviving Dark Lord in the far reaches of Firefist. Another twenty years would pass since the end of the Sith Rebellion before an adventure would bring the former Dark Lord of the Sith back to Rei'izu to witness the mass fulfillment of an old Sith promise to cheat death.

Timeline:
138ABY: Galactic Triumvirate instituted.
140ABY: Emperor Fel V born.
150ABY: Galactic Triumvirate officially organized into a new Galactic Empire.
181ABY: Sith Rebellion occurs.
186ABY: Sith Rebellion fails.
206ABY: The events of The Duel take place.

 

still with it being in hundred year darkness to me but thats a interesting write up

 

I’ve assumed that the Maul game is between Legacy II and The Duel, and mostly occurs in Firefist, so it’s narrative just wasn’t very relevant to my writeup. Although now you make me wonder if Talon was the Sith Witch that the Ronin allied with, and that she wasn’t Dathomiri after all…

I agree that Fel V might have been Force-mute. I always did like that idea for Ben Skywalker. I imagine that a Ronin sequel will eventually give us a name for the Emperor and he will not be a Fel, but we’ll cross that bridge when we come to it.

On Rei’izu disappearing: the implication is that it gets cut off from hyper lanes, right? Maybe that’s connected to Path Engines and No-Space.

For lesser schisms, I agree that the number is bigger than two; personally I count Revan (depends on how far you take the retcons), then the Jensaarai and Dooku as one, then Jaina, then the Ronin. The Ordu Aspectu might have been part of a Great Schism, in my opinion. Kyp and Djinn Altis were both forming heterodox orders, but weren’t separating from the order completely or violently, so personally I don’t count them.

 

I mostly agree with your interpretation, but I think galactic reunification would have to happen on a much longer timetable. I really can't imagine a man like Gar Stazi bending the knee to the Imperial Throne Perhaps secondly, we don't necessarily need a new Sith order to emerge from nothing.

I'd say that eventually the Sith (be it the One Sith, Lost Tribe, both, or other groups) would join forces with the Jedi, creating the umbrella Jedi-Bendu Order. Naturally, this was a pretty shaky alliance, eventually leading to the Sith Rebellion. Ultimately, galactic history is pretty cyclical, and the Sith would rebuild. Eventually, the same thing would happen from the Jedi, and the Sith would end up as the Emperor's new Knights.

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Need I say more?! /hj

 

Have you read the early pitches for The Force Unleashed? Specifically, one pitch was set circa 500ABY and featured the Jedi and Sith in an uneasy alliance. That one's always stuck with me.

I agree, my time scale is mostly arbitrary since Ronin doesn't tell us how old its Galactic Empire is. If you want, it could be assumed that the Empire parallels feudal Japan's development into the Kamakura Period, which lasted about 200 years after a revolution, so I went with a 200 year figure. That can be moved, though.

I'm starting to develop a new idea that the Sith Witch was in fact a Sith before the Ronin became the Dark Lord, and from that I'm also starting to get the sense that she might be Darth Talon; therefore, there's continuity between Ronin's Sith Rebellion and the One Sith, or between Ronin and the Rule of Two if you factor in the cancelled Maul game. Bane to Ruin becomes an unbroken chain! And wasn't Talon supposed to seduce a proto-Ben Solo in Lucas's sequel drafts?

And yes, I also place the events of JW Rinzler's comic at the very end of my timeline

Edit: BTW, what was the Ronin's Sith name? Could it be assumed to have been Darth Ronin? After all, he became lordless (ronin) as soon as he left the Jedi.

 

Darth Talon certainly has a habit of popping up all over the timeline, from fighting the Death Watch, to the Sequel Trilogy and so on. I'm definitely a proponent of Darth Talon being a lineage in the vein of the Darth Wyyrloks. The Talon we know certainly wasn't the first.

I never though of it, but if Talon played a part in turning Ben Solo to the Dark Side, maybe the One Sith had some connection to the First Order and/or Sith Eternal. It could certainly help with their inexplicable numbers and Imperial connections.

 

Funnily enough, me and @Sinrebirth toyed with the idea of Darth Talon being a lineage in The Hidden Temple roleplay. One of my characters in that game is from a Darth Talon who is the ancestor or predecessor of the Darth Talon from the Legacy comics.

 

If I recall, isn't there a scene in either Crosscurrent or Riptide where Darth Wyyrlok or one of the other early One Sith is observing a training duel between two Sith wherein one of the fighters is a red-skinned Twi'lek, and he takes particular interest and puts her into stasis?

Also, I just realized there's no indication of how long the Sith Rebellion was. Personally, I take it to be a short affair.

 

Ooh squee I love this discussion with fellow brilliant minds here!

Rei'izu's disappearance was not just cut off from hyperlanes, it was a more thorough vanishing. Otherwise some Force Astrogators may have pushed through via sublight to it. I saw it more akin to folding space and almost creating a new Otherspace for it. But as it returned, that would be too extreme and I viewed its disappearance actually akin to the disappearance of the Cularin System from WOTC Adventures that made a 10 year temporal jump in Legends before it reappeared! So who was messing with the Darkstaff again in the post-Legacy era, eh?

As for the timeline, I think I would prefer the Roninverse to be further beyond Legacy. Seems too close for my taste still, at least a couple more generations afterwards.

We have to fit in not only the Legacy era Maul-Talon game, but also the Lucas Archives PT interview Sequel Trilogy with Darth Talon, as well as the TFU concept ideas 500ABY with a joint Jedi and Sith Council. You could have Roninverse lead into the 500ABY scenario actually given how well some Jedi and Ronin worked together in the novel. The Maul game would be closest to the Legacy comics I think. Lucas ST idea though is complicated as it would need to be fit into not only late Legends but also the OneCanonised Disney ST set after Crucible etc. And one can not divorce Lucas idea from the OT folks, or can one given his Leia as Chosen One emphasis? Having Talon seduce another Skywalker is no big deal, but the classic characters? Can one substitute them in the idea by older versions of Legends characters like Jaina in Leia's stead? Hardly.

Regardung the Sith Witch, I prefer her as Dathomiri as well. Though can one cross her maybe with the legacy of Tenel Ka, Allana and Jacen's prophecy of the Throne of Balance as well as further Abeloth shenangians as I theorized in several topics over the years?

While one could resolve Tenel Ka and Allana's fate pre-Legacy comics, it is politically difficult to squeeze this tale in in any epicness it deserves. Post Legacy comics in older age, they could work as I plotted out in another topic, if it does not collide with the Maul game and other scenarios placed there. But going extreme and acknowledging the postponing of visions coming to pass being a possibility, could the Throne of Balance vision happen with Allana reaching an old dathomirian age akin to Mother Rell? I speculated before that the throne may not be political but spiritual, like the Felperors have the throne of politics, Allana has the spiritual center of the new galaxy, Force Pope style. Give her some Hapan-Dathomiri battleready Force-Nuns "The Magdalena" style tasked to hunt down and prevent Abeloths return and voilá! What though if the vision of Jacen, both versions of it come true? Throne of Balance in the light and in darkness? Allana like a Chosen One or Anakin Skywalker before her walking both paths at some point? She could become a Sith Witch and walk in her father's footsteps.. have a kid with Ronin.. and be redeemed via the kid and him ultimately? Thoughts?

They probably have plenty of clones stashed so they can always bring folks back, Wyyrlocks, Talons, etc. maybe also via that Krayt for the Maul game once more?

Also the Kemp Duology continuations Clone Doppelganger Crisis seems worthy to consider. While pre-Legacy comics I wonder how big or galaxychanging it might have been (tied into Sword of the Jedi perhaps or as its own story?). Definitely useful to bring back some characters for any ST version.

BUT, I know not everyone likes to overuse clones for such. Anyway, the Roninverse has a potential we can use though even long before its timeline setting. The Roninverse is the "Age of Resurrection" where the dead walk again, or can return as seen in the novel and its backstory. The Witch powers to reanimate the dead beyond being Zombies or Willextensions was unparalelled.
I in my OneHeadCanon credit that to a combination of points that lead up to this era:
-The Force Awakening as per ST and the Dyad reaching powers like teleportation and other unparalelled ones, Luke Doppelgangering, etc. opens up a can of potential and Force exploration not seen since the ancient times when the Force was put to rest below the Shroud of the Dark Side pre-PT after the High Republic era.
-The reunification and communion of Forcecults unseen since the High Republic Era and Jedha's prime day of convocations of Force cultures lead to much more powers crossexploration as well.
-The Legacy Era books LOTF/FOTJ too played with unparalelled powers, realms and Mortis, WBW, Abeloth etc. being involved certainly breached this era into the impossible becoming possible. Including resurrections. Even if not in body, maybe the true spirit returning in a clone body for some worthy characters that the "Force Gods" or Splendid Ap, Wutzek, etc. grants as reward for help against their enemies or whoever entrapped them again.
-The rumors of Anakin Solo's rebirth were teasing fans, considered in planning sessions but ultimately not gone through with. Let other characters reach it and do it!
-The Chosen One lineage changed the game, Anakin reset the gameboard ending and rebirthing Jedi and Sith both. Leia as Chosen One along with Rey brought down Palpatine and unlocked the Dyad of Rey and Ben. I see a lineage there, the ONE (Anakin) starts the line and reset, the TWO (Dyad) restore balance and awaken the Force, the THREE (Solokids and later on the next three Triumvirate) reunify generation for generation what needs to become one and healed (politically, Forceculturally, etc.). And beyind that follows 4 etc. till the entirety is "All for One and One for all" (Yeah give me Space Musketeers!) , a Throne of Balance surrounded by friends, family and all. This could even be the TFU story idea 500ABY with a joint Sith and Jedi council, given the red and blue Musketeer divide between Cardinal and his troops and Emperor and his blue troops may befit the Jedi Sith split of that era.

So the dead returning, first one by one (Kenobi, Yoda, Palpatine) and then more and more till the Sith Witch and others can bring back thousands and more, seems to be a linear progression of the Netherworld being fully rejoined and reintegrated into the world with the Force no longer asleep but awoken, kinda like in Avatar Legend of Korra where the Spirit World got reconneted to the living world, when polar portals were reopened (like WBW portals of the GFFA might be, or Tho Yor, etc.)!

Lots of paralells that fit storywise neatly together to give us this era and continuation for Legends, Canon and OneCanon I think!

 

Hey, what exactly happened to Valorum in the One Canon, since The Clone Wars depicted him alive later in the war while Dark Horse depicted him as dead shortly after the Battle of Jabiim.

 

I suppose he's in the same boat as Even Piell and other characters whose lifespans have been expanded or cut short by the reboot, right?

The easiest explanation is that he survived the explosion on the starship he was on, was initially declared dead and then later revived thanks to medical intervention. This sort of thing happens in real-life--the rumors of his death were greatly exaggerated.

 

Though doesn't he have to be dead by before the Siege of Saleucami?

 

This is the explanation from HEDGESMFG's Clone Wars timeline:

 

Where is this timeline?

 

It's in this thread.

 

I like the idea of Jabiim's campaign days beginning before Anakin and Obi-Wan get involved, so when they arrive they are shortly before day 28, maybe day 24, but i think the campaign where Anakin is involved shouldn't be compressed and it should remain from day < 28 to day 43

Personally i prefer to compress TCW to take place from 20-19 ABY, instead of 22-19 ABY, with Anakin being knighted at the beginning of 20 ABY, maybe even in new year's eve 21 ABY, leaving the other two years (22-21 ABY) for the original CWMMP material to develop in a way similar to what it was intended, even if a little bit compressed, those would be the years of Padawan Anakin storylines, this way Quinlan is indeed a long time inside Dooku's inner circle, long enough for his turn to the Dark Side to make sense, and his time as a Jedi in TCW would be when he returned to the Jedi but didin't completely return to the Light yet, he was still a triple agent during that time (working for the Jedi, but in reality working for Dooku just so he can get to uncover the second Sith and end the war), Ahsoka does visibly grow a bit in Season 3, but prepubescent kids show big difference even in a 6-month period, i can attest to that with my cousins , the bulk of TCW in my view would happen like this:

Movie, Seasons 1, 2 and early Season 3 episodes: Early 20 ABY (months 2-5)

Seasoons 3-6: Late 20 ABY early 19 ABY (months 9-12 of 20 ABY and months 1-2 of 19 ABY).

Season 7 of course takes place simultaneously with pre-ROTS material and ROTS itself, it is the least problematic honestly.

Dark Disciple can retain it's original placement of 2 months before ROTS.

I feel this compression makes more sense than the official stance of compressing everything from the CWMMP in just two months, because not only is it a huge stretch in credulity with so many stories implying a long timeframe such as Quinlan's infiltration, the battle of Jabiim, and so on, but it leaves the TCW portion of the war feeling kind of empty if everything that happens in the majority of 22 BBY, 21 BBY and 20 BBY is just TCW and it's tie-ins, i prefer leaving the TCW period as more crowded given it has a more undefined timeframe, almost comic book-like, so it is more natural to compress it.

Also i prefer this because, i like Anakin's knighthood happening midway throguh the war, unlike 6 months before ROTS in the original Legends timeline (it was too late into the war), or 2 months after AOTC (too early on) the start of 20 ABY is the perfect spot so we have a believable timeframe for both Padawan Anakin and Knight Anakin stories.

 

I actually like to organize the Clone Wars into four parts... based on Anakin's hair.

The first part is all the "Padawan Anakin" stories where he is still sporting his Attack of the Clones look.
The second part is for the Anakin stories where he is sporting his look from The Clone Wars movie and earlier seasons.
The third part is for the Anakin stories after the season three redesign for the main cast.
And the fourth part is the long-haired Anakin we see in Revenge of the Sith, the later part of the micro-series, and the final season of the The Clone Wars.

Basically I keep track of when a story takes place by how much Anakin's hair has grown out. In my head the first part usually takes place in 22 BBY, the second part takes place in 21 BBY, the third part takes place in 20 BBY, and the fourth part takes place in 19 BBY.

 

This begs the question: when Obi-Wan shaves his head to masquerade as Rako Hardeen, his hair is inexplicably back in his next TCW appearance; what kind of time jump was there for Obi-Wan’s hair to return? If he took a science fiction hair-regrowth-for-men pill, then how can we put any faith in the growth rate of another character’s hair like Anakin?! Are bald caps canon, or merely Legends?

 

Maybe Obi-Wan has been wearing a wig after the Rako Hardeen arc and we didn't realize it...

 

Annie's hair is the key to all of this.

Funnily enough his hair during the early parts of TCW is quite similar to how he first appears in Dreadnoughts of Rendili:

Sadly the later issues of the story arc showed him with longer hair, and the CW micro-series potrays him with longer hair than in TCW before he got the scar from the Ventress duel, which is before TCW since he is scarred in that show (in fact the cut from 2003 CW to TCW would be right after the scene where Padme sees his scar for the first time):

So we have a little inconsistency with Anakin's hair growth, but other than his hair the designs from that point in the series lead nicely to the start of TCW.

I'd say that he took some kind of pill that made him regrow his hair faster, we can trust Anakin's hair because there isn't a reason to believe he would take it, Obi-Wan got all of his hair and beard shaven, even if we gave TCW the biggest timeframe in the war it's weird that he just never appears with shorter hair or beard after that in the show or other tie-in/Canon material, i'd say that the "hair growth pill" explanation is needed even if you just take Canon into account, without any time compression.

We can assume such technology is only used in case of an emergency.

I rather believe that than him having a wig and a fake beard during the rest of Seasons 3-5