The Oppression of the Sith

Just what is it Mace Windu is refering to when he says, "The oppression of the Sith wil never return."?

 

The Galactic Empire is a prime example of the oppression of the Sith.

 

Indeed. The Sith ruled the Galaxy before the films, but the Jedi deposed them. (according to Lucas at Comic-Con, the EU has a different background.)

 

Over the years, the Jedi and the Sith have fought. At one point, the Sith had control of nearly the entire galaxy. But the Jedi and what was left of the Republic rallied back, retaking the systems that the Sith had total control over. They eventually won at the Seventh Battle of Rusaan. During the period when the Sith had total control, they had been very oppressive and totalrian.

"One of the themes throughout the films is that the Sith Lords, when they started out thousands of years ago, embraced the Dark Side. They were greedy and self-centered and they all wanted to take over, so they killed each other. Eventually there was only one left, and that one took on an apprentice. And for thousands of years, the master would teach the apprentice, the master would die, the apprentice would then teach another apprentice, the master, and so on. But there could never be any more than two of them, because if there were, they would try to get rid of the leader, which is exactly what Vader was trying to do, and that's exactly what the Emperor was trying to do. The Emperor was trying to get rid of Vader, and Vader was trying to get rid of the Emperor. And that is the antithesis of a symbiotic relationship, in which if you do that, you become cancer, and you eventually kill the host, and everything dies."

--George Lucas, Bill Moyers Time Magazine Interview; 1999.

The Sith are the natural enemy of the Jedi. As George Lucas describes it, the Sith were once in control of the galaxy 1000 years in the past. Unfortunately, the Sith's hunger for conquest got the better of them-so many Sith lords were vying for ultimate control that it led to infighting among their ranks. Such internecine struggles were exploited by the Jedi Knights of the era, and they were able to turn the tide and defeat the Sith.

As Ki-Adi-Mundi states in Episode I, the Sith have been extinct for a millenium; however, not all were wiped out. A surviving Sith Lord sought to rebuild the order, to retake the galaxy, and to take revenge. This Sith Lord realized the dangers of having too many in the order, so he kept his existence a secret. It would be a long time coming, but he carefully plotted revenge. There would be only two Sith Lords at a time, a master and an apprentice, working in secret, planting the seeds for their eventual rise.

By Episode III, the Sith are ready to reveal themselves. There's no more need for subterfuge, no more need for skulking in the shadows. Darth Sidious, the Sith mastermind, will make good on a 1000-year plot to finally avenge the fallen order, destroy the Jedi Knights, and retake command of the galaxy.

--Star Wars Insider, issue 78; page 60

"The Sith are the archenemies of the Jedi," George Lucas explained, "and for a long time, they ruled the universe until the Jedi came along and got rid of them. The Sith characters in the previous Star Wars films were Darth Vader and the other apprentices-Darth Maul from Episode I and Count Dooku, or Darth Tyrannus, from Episode II and the soon-to-be released Episode III. The evil master Sith in all of the films is Darth Sidious, who becomes Emperor of the universe."

--George Lucas, Star Wars Insider, issue 78; page 80

 

The sith controlling and oppressing the galaxy. The sith also start wars and plan almost terrorist like attacks on the side they fight against. They are dangerous and just want power of the people,where as the Jedi is for freedom.

 

Well said..

 

Hey Sinister! As always, YTMND!!
They should make you the Archive Master at Lucas Film, or any one his companies. IMO: You should get paid for knowing where everything is.

 

If you want to be a forum moderator you should know everything about that forum.But Sinister should let us "mortals" to have some fun.

 

Now that is what the t.v. show should be about!

 

When Ki-Adi says that the Sith have been extinct for a millennium, I always assumed that there was once a time when the Sith and Jedi battled for control of the galaxy. The Sith ruled many worlds, and acted in an oppressive manner similar to that of Darth Sidious. They plotted against one another, the Jedi capitalized on this, and the Sith were destroyed down to the last two, who faded into obscurity. The EU probably states otherwise, but this is just a simple moviewatcher's observation.

 

Actually, the eu isn't too far removed. There's several era of Sith. The film version is known as "The New Sith Wars". These stories were told in "Jedi vs Sith" and "Darth Bane: Path To Destruction." The eu just shows us the many battles throughout the ages, leading us into the PT era Sith.

 

The Sith have been watered down alot.

Marka Ragnos, Naga Sadow, Exar Kun, Darth Revan were all more powerful than Sidious or Maul, Tyranus or Vader.

The ancient dark lords were the true power holders.
Many of the old techniques have been lost to the ages.

 

I have to disagree about Sidious.

Arguably, he was the MOST powerful Sith Lord of all time. He may not have been the architect of their plot for revenge, but he was the one who made the entire plan come to fruition. He was the Sith Lord who was able to walk amongst the Jedi Masters unseen. We know of no other Sith that was able to do just that.

IMO: Before the time-frame of AOTC, when the shroud of the dark-side had clouded their vision, the Jedi would have sensed a surge in the Force. For the modern-era Sith to use the ancient knowledge of Dark Side that you speak of, it would have certainly attracted the attention of the Jedi. The Sith Lords before Sidious and Plagueis would have (had) to judiciously tap into the Force, in order to avoid drawing attention / detection. Another point about the different types of ancient Sith knowledge being passed down from one master to the next, is that we know Sidious used Sith Alchemy in the transformation of Vader.

Without those artificial stimulants and unnatural adrenal boosts, Vader could not have endured the marriage of metal and flesh.

Ironic, that Sidious wasn't lying about what a Sith Lord could do...
After all, he was able to save Vader from death.

 

I didn't knew that Exar Kun was a Sith Lord?!

I am not sure that any of this ancient Sith Lords were more powerful than, for exemple Darth Plagueis who was Emperors master.

 

Those Sith were powerful, but flawed. That is why they were wiped out so easily. They shared their power with others and as a result, they betrayed each other openly. Revan and Malak had it going on correctly, until the betrayal and Revan's fresh start. By the time of Darth Ruin and later with Lord Kaan, the Sith were too weak and ineffective. That's why Darth Bane put it down to two Sith, following Revan's teachings. Sidious had managed to take the Jedi further than the previous Sith had. They had all they need, the only flaw was Anakin's conversion back.

But alas, we're going too far off topic. The Sith were known for their oppressive nature and the Jedi have witnessed this.

 

Well, i don't agree with you.Maybe Palpatines plan to destroy Jedi was smartest, but many of the Sith Lords could hide their indentity from Jedi.I mean, that was a reason because they survived so much in Core Worlds.They are trained to live in shadows.

 

Yeah but even during the New Sith Wars, I'm pretty sure the Sith never completely took over the galaxy.

 

Maybe what was meant was "the known galaxy" or that part of the galaxy that wasn't "protected" by dangerous obstacles - ion storms and all that which couldn't be penetrated back then.

"The FIRST Galactic Empire" does mean something: truly galactic in scope, as even the "Galactic" Republic had little or no jurisdiction over the Outer Rim.

 

Death Star anybody?
If that's not oppression than I don't know what is!

 

Compensation OBIJUAN76, compensation.

Just like the Star Destroyers everything had to bigger in order to compensate for you-know-what.

 

I've said that. With the exception of the Core Worlds and the Deep Core, the Sith Empire had control over everything. The tide of the war turned as the Jedi rallied back.

Technically, the Empire didn't have control over the Outer Rim. They just didn't care when it came to going into Hutt Space, or more specifically, Tatooine. And the Death Star would help secure their position. The First Galatic Empire shows that everything is unified, as opposed to the Sith Empires of the past. By changing the name, the people don't know that they're being run by the Sith.

 

HAHA!

 

In the beginning of Ep. IV you get a feeling of it. The galaxy is rundown now. inside the Jawa carrier, all the robots are half-working pieces of near-sighted scrap piles. spare parts abound and nothing is new. The Empire's military has all the "money" (new technology) and the citizens have less and less.

 

Thats not really a good example. The Jawas had probably been collecting/repairing/reselling robots and droids for a long time before the Empire, before the dark ages.

And Owen and Beru have more than what their father did. At least they could afford to buy a couple of used droids. Clieg had none, other than 3CPO which came along with Shmi. You could argue Clieg frittered away all his money on Shmi.

And Obi-Wan certainly owned more possessions than he did while he was a Jedi on Coruscant. He looked like he was quite well for a hermit that likes to visit the cantenna a lot.

 

Okay fine. I don't think they even took over the known galaxy. Coruscant was never in the hands of the Sith from when the Dark Jedi first split off and formed the Sith Order, to Naga Sadow, Exar Kun, Revan, Kaan, Bane, or Plagueis. Therefore Palpatine was just spewing out a ton of BS.