The reason that everyone thought that there was only one child...

ani is the chosen 1 remember "u were supposed to kill the sith not join it!"(by obi waun) and geuss what in the end (ROTJ) he does! he kills palpy and turns back yet he dies, leaving the faith of the jedi in his sons hands! yay! go ani!

 

Up.

 

I came up with a similar theory as well.

I'm really in favor of it.

 

I disagree with your theory because in the empire strikes back Luke uses his feelings and senses through the Force that he is indeed the son of Darth Vader. Acoording to your theory Luke is the son of the Force not of Anakin.

 

while i do find your theory....innovative, i dont think its correct. could it simply be that padme, wanting to keep her pregnanacy and marriage a secret, never got an ultrasound, much less saw a doctor, and like most mothers, assumed she was carrying a single child? i think thats it.

 

Anakin wasn't created by the force itself. Plaguieus seemed to influence it to create him.

That might as well rule out the theory with Luke.

 

Anakin wasn't created by the force itself. Plaguieus seemed to influence it to create him.

Wrong. The Force created Anakin.

Anyway, interesting theory Raven!

 

if you by into palpatine's bull****.

palpatine was merely playing mind games with anakin.

Star it all out.

 

I always took it as them seeing one child only because Lucas didn't have the foresight to see the problem with the writing and didn't feel like explaining it.

 

Why can't Leia be the chosen one? Why did they have to create a boy to be the chosen one? Because Leia's a girl? So now your sexist? Ok, I see how it is?



































































































































































































































I love it! Girls were meant to clean up our mess! (just kidding, no offense to anyone.)

 

Actually it would have been cool that Luke died at Endor, leaving Leia to pick of the pieces. But that is a discussion for the OT board.

 

Uh, no. No one bothered to examine Padme. There was always going to be twins, it's just that Padme wanted to protect Anakin's status as a Jedi and her status as a Senator.

 

i can entertain this theory. great job raven! i think a couple of things should be addressed as well though. i am of the belief that anakin is the chosen one, but i think some posters on this thread have jumped the gun so to speak. when i read this post i didn't think you were saying that luke was the chosen one and anakin wasn't, it seemed to me as if you were saying that both anakin and luke were necessary for balance to be restored. vader simply would not have been redeemed without luke, both were necessary. anakin is the chosen one, but for balance to be restored another must be present, another must get vader back on track, because of what had transpired in the PT. there really is no arguing this, both luke and anakin play an integral role in the restoration of balance. the whole force created luke thing is awesome, it doesn't quite fit with the movies but it would sure explain why luke is so powerful.

I disagree with your theory because in the empire strikes back Luke uses his feelings and senses through the Force that he is indeed the son of Darth Vader. Acoording to your theory Luke is the son of the Force not of Anakin.

i completely agree, this is the most logical response to this theory. though i am sure someone could find a way around it.

 

>>>>Anakin really did fail as the Chosen One, and so the Force created Chosen One version 2.0 to repair the damage that Anakin was doing.

The way that I always saw it, Raven, was that the Force intervened a lot earlier than this.

When Anakin slaughters the Tusken camp, he takes his first real step towards the dark side - and therefore away from his destiny. However, this is also the moment that Padme truly starts to fall in love with Anakin, which obviously leads to their marriage and her becoming pregnant. So it seems that the Force is already working in mysterious ways, once Anakin has taken his step down the dark path.

The same can be said too, for Leia and Han in TESB. As Luke makes his dangerous decision to go to Bespin, and thereby put himself in a position where he may be turned to the dark side, Leia tells Han that she loves him; which will lead to their potentially being together and potentially creating children togther....


-JR

 

Absolutely.

But, as far as I can tell, it is even simpler - everyone thinks there is one child because Padmé is pregnant.

Do you presume it is twins as soon as you hear someone is pregnant?
No.

Do we see Padmé, or Ani, or anyone for that matter discussing anything other than "the unborn child" - not boy, girl, twins or whatever?
No.

Ergo, they/she, for reasons of their/her own (the fact that they are keeping the a pregnancy a secret being the most logical) have chosen not to have a scan and discern any information on the nature of Padmé's pregnancy.

So - a select few know she is pregnant.
Then she dies.
And is made to look pregnant at her funeral.
Then only three people know there was a child/were children at all.
So I don't see where or why anyone would presume there was a child at all - let alone twins.

 

An interesting theory and it can make the mind whirl. But Anakin is The Chosen One. Janell explained it all so very well.

Yes! Yes, to Janell you listen!

 

I thought I had some crazy theories!

It's not off the wall that Padme could STILL have had ultrasounds and not revealed there were twins. People are still surprised today that a second baby is on the way. It happens. Don't read too much into it.

 

i dont think luke was the chosen one version 2.0 but i do kind of agree with leia was originally the only child, then when anakin dies, the force creates another boy. He doesn't have to be the chosen one just because he was created by the force. Whoever said Luke was a catalyst that sets everything in motion, i agree with that. But it could be all part of the prophecy which still isn't precisely deciphered.

 

The thing I don't like about this theory is, as SLAVE2 and JoeBWan have said, it would mean Vader isn't Luke's father.

 

In the ROTS novel, I remember Padme stating that Anakin thought the baby was a girl. Given the fact that he is a Jedi, he may have been absolutely correct. And we discover that he was correct. The baby was indeed a girl. Yet...... there was another baby????????

But........... why didn't he sense the other child? As far as we know, Anakin only sensed one infant. I find it hard to believe that he would have completely "overlooked" the other child.

Raven's theory makes perfect sense. There was only one infant. Luke was created at some time during Anakin's fall (possibly when he made his full turn to the Dark Side).

It should be noted, though, that even if the Force created Luke, it may have worked through Anakin's sperm and Padme's egg, thus making Luke officially Anakin and Padme's child. However, his conception and birth was guided completely by the Force.

I'm actually disappointed about Luke's birth. I wish he had been the second one to be born, and perhaps with a sense of mysteriousness around him.

I recall somebody saying that they had read that Luke was the second child to be born, but it was an odd birth. Apparently, his mother had died with him still within her womb. They had to manually pull Luke out of her. Well........ that is interesting. This shows that both Anakin and Luke had very unique births. I wish Lucas had taken that into account. The bad thing is, I can't remember where I read this, but I know it was at this site.

Also, Anakin's problem at sensing his own children could also be applied to ESB and ROTJ.

Anyway, that's my contribution to this thread.

 

I want to believe in this theory that luke was created as a result of the force. But someone made a hard fact that "Luke, I am your father" if luke was created as result of force he'd have no father as anakin had none either.

 

Bump!

 

I guess another bump.

 

Interesting theory. It does seem odd that Anakin wouldn't be able to sense both his children through the Force. But why would the Force need to create a second child, if it only takes one to redeem Anakin? That theory assumes there is some fundamental reason why Leia couldn't be the Redeemer. And Yoda seemed to think she could.

 

After reading the first post I thought, "No way!" But I kept reading and now... it's given me entirely too many plot bunnies.

Did Padme ever get a medical scan or not? Were there two children in her womb from the very beginning? And if so, why didn't Anakin sense both?

Someone already pointed out that sometimes, even today, the ultrasound doesn't show that there are twins, so, it could happen. Padme's not stupid -- I wouldn't be surprised if she 1) read up on pre-natal care and took care of herself, 2) had a private house-call doctor that she was paying off to keep quiet or a good friend she knew that was a doctor or had medical experience, or 3) (my favorite) hello, they have medical droids. Droids are able to deliver her babies, so they sure as heck can act as pre-natal care doctors. And any droid she owned, she'd be able to order it not to say anything, or if she was really concerned, even mind-wipe it.

As for why Anakin couldn't sense both babies... Anakin is very, very strong in the Force, but he's not perfect. (He did fall to the dark side, which has already been twisting at his mind for a couple years.) If he wasn't searching for two babies...maybe that's why he didn't feel two. Or...

What if the Force, knowing Luke was needed in order to fulfill the prophecy of Anakin as the Chosen One, hid one of the children from Anakin? Anakin says he thinks he baby is a girl. So what if the Force 'hid' Luke's presence from him, since Luke is the twin stronger in the Force?

Either way, Luke was definitely needed to fulfill the prophecy of the Chosen One. If Lucas hadn't stated over and over that Anakin is the Chosen One, I would give more credibility to the idea that maybe Yoda and Mace and Obi were right when they were talking in RotS and wondering if they'd misread the prophecy. But, since Lucas said it, and it's "out of character" info, if you will, then there's not much question in my mind that Anakin is the Chosen One.

Now I've got plot bunnies galore of different "what if's"... should be interesting, at any rate.

-Mia