ST The relationship between Finn and Rey. SEE FIRST POST WARNING

We know enough about her that she has a decent sense of right and wrong and was very attached to to Finn and Han prior to their wounding and death respectively. She does not see Kylo Ren as anyone other than someone who hurts the people she cares about, which is why she wanted to kill him before the ground split. After she snapped out her trance she ran back to finn and cried over his still body and just waited to die with him because he was literally the last person she knew and closest thing she had to a Best friend left after Hans Death.

The Dark romance thing would have to be so much more blatant for the general audiance to buy into it and to avoid making Kylo Ren a complete monster in their eyes. Also you all might not put to much stock in Rey and Finn being each others best friends but they are and they both don't like Kylo Ren at all. There is no none character breaking way to make it so Kylo Ren gets with Rey unless he gets a one sided fixation with her and it is clear she wants no part of him at all.

Also I've seen another reason from Reyloers that Leia deserves to have her son to come back to her but really people do you think Leia will be able to forgive herself or her son for the Death of her Husband/ His father? She beat herself up over Alderaan getting blown up the whole trilogy where that wasn't her fault really and it took her years to come to terms with the fact that her father was Darth Vader and letting that hate she had for him go. Now her son not only harms her brothers family but also kills her husband? I doubt the love she carried for him will extend to the next movie. Her son has pretty much ruined the most important people to her and sent them all scattered and also was complicit in the death of a Solar system.

He does not get a happy ending, he is going to dive deeper into the dark side and become a worse version of himself filled with the dark side like he never was before and be a blight on the galaxy and have to be put down like the dog he is. If you want it to be more tragic you have Rey or Finn defeat him but you Have Leia kill him herself, as if to kill the man he became and let the boy he used to be live on in her heart.

 

Yea, jb said the script was dark, but probably not dark romance like your thinking about. Reylo imo, it hurts reys character, because why would she fall in love with the person that killed her new father figure and almost killed the person who came back for her and cares most for? Like it wouldn't make sense to me and that I believe would dismantle everything we got from tfa. Kylo ren is interested in Rey, yes, but not romantically at all, he is fascinated by her power, and wants her to join him in the dark side, but that's just my opinion.
Finnrey on the other hand is a healthy relationship that can develop, they are already fond of one another, deeply care for each other, and although they could make some disagreements in the story to complicate their friendship, she will always think of Finn as the one who came for her when no one else did.

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The fact that you can't differentiate Ben and Kylo is a big reason why I find it intriguing. I think Rey would go through the same issues in her head. They haven't been dealt with before so I would like to see this be addressed.

Let's take an example: In real life, a criminal who killed a person, regrets his actions. He really tries to be a better person. The person is one in the same, yet, he was two different people in a way. It gets philosophical and I think it's interesting. In the OT, there was a dissociation between Vader and Anakin. Since he died, we didn't get to see how he was to be held accountable. I would like to see that happen with Kylo.

Also, Rey is going to be the savior of the universe it seems. I think she'll have other bigger things to do than "fixing" Kylo. The way I imagine it going down, she won't even realize she has such a good effect on him. I think anti-reylo people are concerned she'll be reduced to some girl who makes his heart melt, and he'll suddenly become good. Trust me, if they do something as sappy as that, I'll be pissed myself.

I said before I can't speak for everyone. I don't think she's "too good" for Finn. Most of us just have a preference for Reylo.

 

I'll pose this question for you:
If Kylo Ren becomes good again, how do you think he'll feel about killing his own father?

 

Hi there, sorry if it has been done before (don't have the time to read 150+ pages), but i can't help to notice a lot of parallels between Finn/Rey and Han/Leia , so i'll just sum them up here :

• He had a questionnable way of life, but redeemed himself.
• They had a rough first meeting, but quickly learned to work together and trust one another.
• He tried to hold her, but she initially pushed him back.
• After their first adventure, he was about to walk away from her, but quickly went back for her when she was in danger.
• His former boss didn't appreciate his treason, and harmed him in return,
• the former boss also captured her, chained her and degraded her, all while looking at her in a very creepy way.

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• Even then, the former boss was impressed by her toughness during their first talk, and had to back down.
• She resisted never broke, and eventually escaped from that creepy dude.

• (Oh, and she ultimately killed the former boss )

Is there any other similarities i missed, outside of Han's patronnage ?
(regarding only Finn & Rey, there are other Kylo/Jabba parallels, but they belong to another thread)

 

Based specifically on what we know about Rey, they haven't set her up to be Ms. Compassionate where he is concerned. Putting aside the torture scene because I know you guys don't see it that way, Kylo Ren murdered his father, her stated father figure, in front of her. Rey is someone they established as family-centric. She'll stay on Jakke as a virtual slave, by choice, on the hope that her family that abandoned her will return. She does that while holding no discernible ill will toward them. Meanwhile, she watched Han offer everything she wants and more to Kylo Ren, including love and undeserved forgiveness. She watched Kylo's reaction, which was to stab Han and throw him in a black hole. Then Kylo chased her and her only friend, only family really, and attacked them. Based on that, why would she care enough to forgive him? Why would she invest in him at all?

Forgiveness doesn't make a character weak. However, if Rey exhibits any romantic pull toward Kylo ever, there is no way it won't make her look pathetic. After all that background, she would choose to let him touch her intimately? That's not something that is likely to sell, and it doesn't match Rey's character as we know her so far. She's careful who she gets close to. Finn and Han earned her trust with kindness. Kylo has nothing to offer her that is worth her time, and if she does extend him forgiveness, it will be an act of charity.

 

If he becomes good again, he will probably feel bad about his mistakes, but Rey imo is 99 percent likely to be a Skywalker, so that itself makes reylo impossible.

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I can see how that is dark but I personally don't think they would/should go in that direction. BUT, if they do, I do not seeing it happening so quickly in the second movie. JJ has specifically called Kylo's character the evolution of a villain. A villain's evolution doesn't just end by turning good right away. At this point he only has one direction to go and that is become a darker villain and not some brooding ex-villain trying to come to terms with what a crappy person he was.

 

Most of y'all have been fine and it's been fun debating with people on the pros and cons of each ship. I absolutely get why Reylo holds an appeal to alot of you. Granted it's not something that appeals to me, mainly because I find very little appealing about Kylo in a relationship with anyone, but that's just my opinion. I get slightly annoyed when SOME of you literally treat Finn as a non-character to be pushed aside because he's an obstruction to Reylo happening. I don't think any of us here do the same regarding Kylo. We recognize how important his role is and we give him his due. Alot of us are just of the opinion that hes more effective as a villainous character. You need to have strong roles on both sides of good and evil for a film to tell a story, and as of now we have 3 heroic characters in Rey, Finn, and Poe which fans love, and that all have their own arcs that are deserving of attention. I know some of the Reylo group disagree, but I don't think the entire focus of these three films is solely on Kylo Ren.

 

That's is kinda beautiful.

 

If they had a blatant romance in the first movie, don't you think it would take away from the characters? Kylo Ren would either not be as bad, thus making him not so Vader-ish, or Rey would actually then be reduced to a silly girl in love with a bad guy? I also think that from a writer's standpoint, they want to trick us, they want to hide stuff from us too. That's what needs to be done to make things surprising, suspenseful.

I don't know what Leia thinks now. I imagine she's heartbroken. I think though, if she did find out there was light in him still, somehow it was going again, she would do anything to get him back still. It's her kid! Hello motherhood. However, bringing him back home doesn't mean he won't be held accountable. Parents are forever torn between loving there children and giving them all they have ever wanted, but also reprimanding them for bad things they do. Leia can still believe in her son, but that doesn't mean she'll be like "son! you're home! all is forgiven! here's some hot cocoa, your favorite!" It's so much more complex than that. She'll have to make decisions on him afterward.

 

Lol ok thanks...for insulting us yet again when I stated we are the opposite of CW fangirls. But ok

 

I think a good writer can pull it off without making her look pathetic. She's so powerful and important, it can happen. Also, I think 99% of us realize he won't be intimately touching her loll. We realize that the chances are slim for Rey to reciprocate. I just want to point out though that even if she was very forgiving of him, it wouldn't rally matter because he'd feel very crappy about himself anyway.

 

Ok well my question was posed in the context that she was not a Skywalker. I can see it now...Ben Solo is back. Rey still hates them though...but Ben doesn't care if she hates him, because he hates himself!

 

Well yea 2nd movie is too quick. I don't imagine a big change until end of episode 3. I think Kylo will be going back and forth before that. He'll just get more conflicted. I imagine if he feels a stronger pull to the light, he'll try very hard to vanquish it. But I think in the end he'll realize he shouldn't stop fighting it. It's not really dark actually, it's pretty hopeful. I love redemption stories, I think they are inspiring, but that's just me.

 

Kylo and Ben are the same people HE chose to be Kylo, HE chose to kill his father because HE chose to go dark. I think he wants what Vader Wanted even when he was Anakin and went dark the power to make the galaxy what HE choses to make it. That is why even though he knows what Vader did and how he was redeemed he wants no part of Redemption. He wants to be a bader Vader. Rey would like to kill him. Leia can think whatever she wants but lets not make it sound like Klyo being good will change the fact that what he did is unforgivable.

 

*sigh* what if I told you that...
I agree with you that making kylo good again does not make his past actions forgivable?
What if he feels crappy about what's done? What if he gets suicidal about it all?

 

Which is why I am against this pairing most of all, it ruins a good story to make the villain look pathetic. He murders his father, his uncles students and then comes back home and mopes about it? Or he gets to kiss a woman once before leaving because he has done to much evil? No. We need a good Villain and Good hero who will go at each others throats with gusto, no unneeded subtext between them. The war around them may be haunted with shades of grey but the fight between Rey- Finn and Kylo Ren should be harsh and unrelenting because all sides have stakes in seeing the deaths of the others now. There is no reason to add romance to one of the villians. Snoke is a Big Bad but Every big bad needs a Dragon underneath him and a group of competent minions who can give the heroes alot of trouble. Thats what Kylo Ren and the Knights of Ren are.

Also if we lose Kylo Ren to the light side we lose a crucial piece to see the inner workings of the dark side play out in front of us since Kylo Ren is our Lens into that side of the force.

 

I guess we just have different tastes, but I get where you're coming from. I think Kylo Ren will be pretty dark throughout the next two movies despite potential inner struggles he may have. And for the record, I don't think any of us foresee a kiss from Rey lmao.

 

It wont matter at all because he deserves death for his actions. It's like saying a guy who shot up a school and disappeared only to then kill his father later down the line deserves to be forgiven by the law since he now feels like crap about the things he did.

No he killed dozens, If not Hundreds of people and is complicit in the death of a solar system. He deserves to have his connection to the force severed and imprisoned in a dark hole somewhere in the galaxy to rot.

Feeling bad about your actions do not gain forgiveness. All it shows that you have a sense of self-awareness but justice must be done for any right to be done by the people who died because of his actions.

 

This all day.

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Lol fair enough. I've never had trouble understanding the one-sided ship.

I can't imagine Rey not looking pathetic if she chose to get with him. How could she maintain self respect? Why would she care enough to even start down that path with him after what he's done to her or just generally? I can't imagine how in two movies they could show it in a way that she maintains her dignity.

Plus, like I said, Rey values kindness and loyalty, deeply. Kylo has literally zero traits that appeal to her in any way. If a ship is going to happen, there has to be some draw on her end toward him.

 

You seem to be from the more rational side of Reylo but it seems like some people behind reylo are expecting this full fledged hot and steamy connection between the two to be carried into the movies.

 

This is Star Wars the only way Kylo get to cross back over is like Anakin and Ventress. It was in death, and why people are refusing to see Rey is a Skywalker I wont even get in to.

 

Well yea a kid who does all those horrible things, even if he regrets it, will go to jail. I think the kid will think he himself deserves the jail time. I get he's the bad guy, will always be the bad guy, you want him to rot, but the twist is, he would agree with you!

Also, gotta mention, that Darth Vader was also very horrible, and yet he became a force ghost lol. Not that I personally think it makes sense, but hey, if he can be a force ghost, anyone can be really.