ST The relationship between Finn and Rey. SEE FIRST POST WARNING

It's just a matter of seeing how KK and JJ planned FinnRey and how it goes, and how RJ and CT decide to fill in the blanks. But yeah, the proof that their romance is on the horizon is there in the script, and these are just some details:

 

The thing is, novels and films are different mediums. What works for one doesn't automatically work for the other. With a book, you have the omnipresent narration that can literally spell out for you what the characters are thinking in their heads. So for instance, the "adore" line. But with a film, you cannot really do that (David Lynch tried it with his Dune adaptation, and it REALLY didn't work). So you have a couple of options:

-Have the characters spell it out in dialogue. But, depending on the situation and context, that can come across as really clunky. Most of the more overt moments highlight Rey's feelings towards Finn, would make no sense for her to say that OUT LOUD!!

-Rely on the actor's being able to convey what their characters are meant to be thinking/feeling, non-verbally. Or with more "implied" dialogue, but spoken a certain way, etc. Which can be done really well (I think that this film is one such case), but by it's very nature it still leaves more room for individual interpretation (because we're not being flat-out TOLD exactly what their feelings on this matter are).

 

All formats flirt right up to the line of the romantic and then.. [cut to] call to the basement, or the MF has arrived.

 

Ah, so totally platonic and unromantic...

 

I think this is where JJ said that LK recommended they "show and not tell." What the friendzone'rs needed to be shown was either an almost kiss (these are usually executed by putting characters in unusually close proximity, which would have been easy [translation: cheap]) or sexual awkwardness (like what would've happened had Han not interrupted the SKB hug).

 

I just hope that by the end of 8 we'll be more assured of where their relationship is heading. Like I've said before, I won't be surprised if they don't flat out kiss in 8, but hopefully the movie can do something that tells us if they'll end up as friends or lovers. I don't want to see them continue to be interrupted by some outside force everytime it seems like they're about to open up to each other.

Now that I think about it, Rey and Finn rarely had time alone in TFA, even though the whole movie was driven by their relationship. Everytime they did, it was short lived. They meet on Jakku, the First Order attacks soon after. After they introduce each other and are about to talk, something goes wrong with the Falcon and they have to fix it. When it seems they'll be alone on the Falcon for a while, Han comes back almost right away. At Maz's castle, their alone only while Finn confesses, and then he leaves right after. When they hug on SKB, Han and Chewie were right there, but that scene is clearly meant to be about Finn and Rey's relationship. Had Han not interrupted them, who knows how long they would've hugged? When they leave SKB and are heading back to the Falcon, Kylo finds them and they have to fight him. When their alone for the last time, Finn is in a coma, and so again they can't talk to each other in solitude.

Hopefully Finn and Rey get more one on one scenes in episode 8.

 

Yeah, like John said, "there is no time." The more I think about it, the more is seems like that's what he was talking about.

 

I'm pretty sure that that was intentional. These are two people who weren't looking to get involved in this greater conflict (Finn wants to get as far away from it as he can actually), but end up getting thrust into it by circumstances (or fate if you prefer) anyway.

 

John said that as well as his character was too busy sweating and catching his breath, so yeah we might just get that alone time. I tell you when they do get it, it's going to be fire. Boyega just has that it factor to make something special. Ridley too, but when Boyega looks at you unflinching, you know he is about to bring it.

 

It's quite comical that people think Finn got friendzoned just because Rey said "my friend" before she left.

This is Star Wars, not a high school drama. If Finn and Rey don't end up together, it won't be because Finn gets friendzoned. I'm positive of that.

The thing that makes me believe they are heading for a romance is the way that whole scene plays out. Remember, this was the last scene where we get to see them together before episode 8. If the filmmakers wanted to make it clear that Finn and Rey are gonna remain just friends throughout the trilogy, there's so many different ways they could've done it. They could've had her just say "thank you for your help. I hope we'll see each other again sometime". Or "I don't know what the future holds, but maybe we'll see each other again". And they definitely didn't have to make her kiss him. Instead, they choose to show Rey looking at Finn with affectionate concern on her face, kind of looking like she could start crying, before she says "we'll see each other again, I believe that". She doesn't say "I'll try to see you again" or "I hope we'll see each other again". She straight up says "we'll see each other again, I believe that." And then to top it all off, they zoom in on Finn's face and have Rey place a delicate, even somewhat prolonged kiss on his forehead? How much more do people need to see?

 

That about sums up my exact feelings on that last scene.

Rey kissing Finn is probably one of the few acts she did of her own volition. It wasn't an act of circumstance or to assuage anyone. When left alone, she chose to kiss Finn.

 

Daisy liked John's instagram vids of him and his nephew who he nicknamed Baby Finn lol

 

I was about to post my screenshot of it but you beat me to it lol, daisy and john are just so close, and john's nephew vids are hilarious.

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I wonder if John and Daisy will be attending the Kids Choice Awards this weekend since they're both up for nominations along with the movie.

Seems like they'd probably be too busy filming Episode VIII to go.

 

That's a good question, john hasn't even mentioned the kids choice awards on any social media while daisy told her followers to vote for her, john and the movie. I'm hoping they attend, but the kids choice awards aren't really that prestigious like bafta or the oscars, and they are filming as well so idk, we will see.

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JJ on his mystery box on Colberts late show. he said it isn't about tricking the viewer but more so creating a discussion and not giving everything away
so mystery box doesn't mean red herrings everywhere like people say finnrey is

 

The mere suggestion that Finn and Rey's bond is some sort of misdirect is ridiculous. Why on earth would you waste an entire movie developing and establishing their relationship as the emotional core of the trilogy to drop it for whatever else?

 

Oh yes, because certain other shipping groups are going to create a sea of internet flame so bright it'll be visible from orbit.

And if you think I am overstating things...I've seen shipping meltdowns before and right now...I'd say we're headed for a big one at least on this forum. Some people have HEAVILY invested in their chosen ship and I've already seen signs indicating that if their chosen ship doesn't happen, then the writing team (by the posters admission) is not as skilled as they thought.

Not a good sign.

That's why some people lean so heavily on the kiss suggesting Finn has been friendzoned. It's the last act between the pair, and if they can convince themselves and others it means friendship then the rest of the movie's evidence can be seen as just leading up to the two being close friends and allies. In most action/adventure movies a kiss on the lips signifies a romantic relationship...but movies have been playing with that a bit recently. Pacific Rim had the two leads touch forehead...but the nature and strength of their growing bond is pretty clear. Tron Legacy (Which I enjoyed and thought was a solid movie no matter what other geeks might say) really just had a scene where Flynn and Quorra were sitting and chatting pleasantly but again...the nature and strength of the bond is pretty clear. Now you get to TFA which has Rey warming quickly to Finn despite her initial dislike of even having her hand held....and leading to her kissing his forehead. It's a good place to start a romantic relationship and I am sure we'll eventualy get something like this:



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There seems to be a desire by some to turn the ST into an elaborately, plotted bait-and-switch to justify an interpretation not supported by the story of TFA. There's also this cherry-picked use of the novelization, the script, etc. where they piece together the various snippets to rhetorically strengthen an unsupported premise with random bits of information. I'm not saying that all arguments must be academic but they are fooling themselves if they think a convoluted argument cobbled together with glue and tape will be coherent or palatable to a GA.

The events and circumstances depicted in TFA will have to stand up to the scrutiny of the entire trilogy. That's why the Force vision took so painstakingly long to create. JJ and LK know that all of their narrative choices will be disassembled once the cat is out of the bag in two years--the presumed "red-herring" gimmicks revealed, and if that is the case then it will tremendously diminish all their hard work on TFA.

They made a very safe film, safe choices. I don't know where the idea of JJ and LK being filmmaking mavericks came from.

I've read this too. Again, it isn't that their scholarship is biased or their premises and critiques are weak; it's that the writers are idiots if they don't do as I've predicted them to do.

 

Exactly. You've succinctly summarized the vast majority of TFA's criticism.

 

Daisy is being considered for the Laura Croft remake

 

Any other actors up for the role that you know off?

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Fandom culture is great, but it gets to a point where they take themselves too seriously and it just becomes one giant "I know everything and cannot be criticized" circlejerk.

 

As strongly as I feel about my interpretation of TFA, I also know that I have no idea what RJ and co are going to do--none, at least not with any certainty. Though there is a trilogy arc at play for all the main characters, JJ did a great job of providing the least amount of hints as to where they are going. We have a generic ending of a SW movie. Characters introduced, dynamics established, characters parted ways, the end.

Any analysis that does not take into account that it could possibly be wrong is not an analysis; it's foolishness.

 

Haven't seen anyone else yet.