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ST The relationship between Finn and Rey. SEE FIRST POST WARNING

Discussion in 'Sequel Trilogy' started by Devizz, Dec 16, 2015.

  1. SateleNovelist11

    SateleNovelist11 Force Ghost star 6

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    I thought that, as well. Obviously, it's the first movie, and so it's still budding. But I do like that Rey is the most powerful person in the relationship in terms of the Force. I adore her. [face_love]
     
  2. Jedi Merkurian

    Jedi Merkurian New Films Rumor Naysayer star 7 Staff Member Manager

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    1. Saying that people who are shipping a Finn/Rey romance are "creepy" is not cool. Drop that line discussion.
    2. Trying to "Mini-Mod" by insinuating that People Who Say Stuff I Don't Like will be banned is not cool. Drop that line of discussion.
    3. Threatening to ragequit the boards if someone is not banned is not cool. Drop that line of discussion.
    4. Saying that people who insist Finn and Rey just have to be romantically involved are infantile or immature is not cool. Drop that line of discussion.
    5. Insulting people who insist Finn and Rey just can't be romantically involved is not cool. Drop that line of discussion.

    So far, the back and forth has been (in my opinion, at least) general and broad-brushed, rather than specific and personal. Y'all are toe-ing the line something fierce; please for the sake of this thread and people's posting privilege, back away from that line

    Chill out people...chill out... [face_peace]
     
  3. ObiAlKenobi

    ObiAlKenobi Jedi Knight star 3

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    I know this will be unpopular with some, but I hope they do NOT have a romantic relationship. On top of that, I hope she does not have a romantic relationship with ANYONE during the trilogy. I would love to see a strong female character not have to fall into the romantic trap (like in almost every movie in creation). Let her be what she is. A kickass Jedi in training who has more important things to do than kiss dudes and swoon LOL.
     
  4. rhymecheat

    rhymecheat Jedi Master star 2

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    Very little of-topic:

    I like how you post in purple... just like Windu's lightsaber. It that on purpose?
     
  5. SateleNovelist11

    SateleNovelist11 Force Ghost star 6

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    I feel the same way. Well said.
     
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  6. Jedi Merkurian

    Jedi Merkurian New Films Rumor Naysayer star 7 Staff Member Manager

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    Exactamundo!
     
  7. anakinfansince1983

    anakinfansince1983 Skywalker Saga/LFL/YJCC Manager star 10 Staff Member Manager

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    DD-1110 : Since I missed your earlier questions, I will answer those here. (I'm on the East Coast of the United States and was up way past my bedtime in this thread, and it had exploded sometime overnight, because you all are either nocturnal or in a different time zone from me, or both.)

    I'm a sucker for Severus Snape's complexity and the plot twist at the end of book 7 regarding him. We can discuss that in the Harry Potter thread if you would like.

    I did not find Finn/Rey sappy at all, and as I have said, I am not opposed to them as a couple, I am opposed to the idea that there are no other options for them or any other characters, or that there absolutely MUST be a romance. As I also said, that mandate opens the door to sappiness if the wrong writer is hired. And I am absolutely opposed to romance-novel-style sappiness.

    Star Wars has not traditionally done romance well, I like Han and Leia's interactions for the most part but some aspects were acceptable in the 70s and early 80s and just would not work now. My favorite Star Wars romance was between Anakin and Tahiri in the NJO. They were friends first, and their love for each other was not passionate or over-the-top, it was there. The kind that lasts, or would if he had not been killed.
     
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  8. PalpShouldLive

    PalpShouldLive Jedi Master star 2

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    You're not alone. I'd prefer no hookups/ships. But this is a space opera, so I feel it's pretty inevitable.

    I just hope it's limited to short moments during action scenes. Luke/Leia's kiss before they swing over the gap in ANH, Anakin/Padme sharing a moment by the overturned chariot in AOTC, etc.

    No lakeside of Naboo, tumbling in the grass, mushy talk on the balcony in ROTS, etc

    Finn/Rey's relationship always seemed to be more of a Luke/Leia type relationship. Brotherly/Sisterly...it could change though, but I feel the characters need to be written to have more complex personalities than they already have. Finn is C3PO (comic relief that has to be saved by everyone else), Rey in TFA...is a...Ma...mostly emotionally flat character that solves every challenge alone. The issue I have is that most of the time relationships are written poorly and take story elements out to make a spot for out-of-place romantic interactions.
     
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  9. Mars457

    Mars457 Jedi Knight star 2

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    Id love to see a strong female character "get the guy" while still retaining her agency and kickassery. Male heroes get to "get the girl", after all, and Finn and Rey's relationship is already a lot deeper than the action movie standard of "we're two pretty people, let's bang".

    The problem is if Rey's love interest takes away her agency in the interest of protecting her, or some such BS. Or the relationship consumes the plot action, instead of remaining ancillary. Still, TFA makes enough brave, convention defying choices (making Finn black, not sexualizing Rey, and not making Poe the grizzled white romantic lead hero) that the sequels might be able to thread the needle.
     
  10. ObiAlKenobi

    ObiAlKenobi Jedi Knight star 3

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    I guess it's also the Dad in me. I have a daughter and always taught her that she can do anything that a boy can do. And that she never needs a relationship to validate her self worth. Happily she has grown into a strong young woman. She identified with Rey so much and wants to cosplay her now.

    When I saw "Pacific Rim", one of the things I liked so much about it was that the character of Mako never went for that big kiss or romance (even though she had feelings for him). There were far more important things going on. And she proved herself to be a great character without all that.
     
  11. Mars457

    Mars457 Jedi Knight star 2

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    I'm guessing that the dad in you also would be perfectly happy if she found a nice young boy (or girl, it is 2015 after all) who made her happy.

    It's the whole thing where women have to deal with the question of "can you have it all?" Rey doesn't need a relationship to complete her, but romance wouldn't automatically weaken her either.
     
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  12. PalpShouldLive

    PalpShouldLive Jedi Master star 2

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    I can see it now; bored housewives wanting Episode 8 to be: 50 Shades of Gr...the Force. :oops:
     
  13. floatlikegas

    floatlikegas Jedi Master star 2

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    The problem for me is that people are treating Rey like a sterile prequel jedi when they say she needs no man.
    Is she gonna be a nun for the rest of her life as well?
    Does she need to lose all her agency because romance blossoms with Finn? No
    Her character will have other things to do but you create a very isolated character in this trilogy by removing her dynamic with Finn
    The chemistry between them carried the film.
     
  14. ObiAlKenobi

    ObiAlKenobi Jedi Knight star 3

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    She did actually. Taking it slow. Friend-zoned him for 8 months before they dated :) I actually approve of this guy haha.
     
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  15. Nanosoft

    Nanosoft Jedi Knight star 3

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    Anchors awaaaay my boooys, Anchoooors awaaaaaaaaaay!

    =D=
     
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  16. Episode Swag

    Episode Swag Jedi Knight star 1

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    Makes perfect sense, I see what you're saying here. But, I feel like since she's the only female and there are two dudes so far the writers will have to use her if they want to do a romance. (And I don't see Disney taking the leap to do same gendered relationships. There are still a lot of silent homophobic people that are against that sort of thing and a lot of money would be lost if Disney took that bold step. Especially when you take other countries that aren't as accepting of those things. Wow, I'm not trying to be racist or whatever I promise! Ack sorry!)

    It's just like the Avengers really. With Black Widow being the only female Avenger, she HAS to be involved if the writers put in any romantic situation in the script. Now I'm thinking if it's true that they are getting another female lead for the next one, then this problem becomes a smaller thing. They could pick and choose which lady and which man to get together. As opposed to which man gets the one lady. I'm hoping they make it so the new girl likes Finn, so it would be a love triangle with two girls and a guy. That would be an interesting inversion of what we see all the time in romcoms.
     
  17. alex8991

    alex8991 Jedi Youngling star 1

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    Really don't get why you want them together so bad. I am open about not wanting them together from a story perspective and not wanting a ton of relationship drama. I get "shipping" is a thing these days but you are taking it to a new level
     
  18. Nanosoft

    Nanosoft Jedi Knight star 3

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    Here ya go mate.

    Although I still dislike the sanitation designation, I have to admit, this was a really funny passage.

    The jacket exchange isn't in the book, although, we can assume that it happens during this snow-speeder chase scene that was cut from the movie.

    The ending is actually a little messy, I get a sense that JJ really had to rework a lot of stuff to make sure that the impact of the lightsaber fight was right.
     
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  19. The Bops

    The Bops Jedi Master star 2

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    My opinion:

    In most situations, it's typical for the guy to be logical and the girl to follow her heart. But a strange thing happens when a guy suddenly falls for a girl that isn't ready. She becomes the logical one and he the one with blind faith.

    I think that's what we have here. I can think of a few times in the movie where it was obvious to me that Finn sees more in Rey than she does in Finn. She just isn't ready. She didn't even want to leave home - and home sucked for her.

    Time will tell, but I'm rooting for this guy to get that awesome girl.


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  20. The Bops

    The Bops Jedi Master star 2

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    One more thing, I'm a 42 year-old Republican American. What does "shipping"'mean??


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  21. seventhbeacon

    seventhbeacon Jedi Knight star 3

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    These are two characters full of innocence and hope and idealism. I think as we see their characters grow that's where a relationship has a chance to deepen.
     
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  22. Deerborne

    Deerborne Jedi Master star 3

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    It means you hope two (or perhaps more) characters end up together romantically. Although, personally, I'm trying to veer away from the term. ; )
     
  23. The Bops

    The Bops Jedi Master star 2

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    Yeah, Deerborne, that term kind of sucks.


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  24. Darth Zane

    Darth Zane Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    I think Rey and Finn are endgame, but that means they'll have their period of estrangement and likely other romantic interests. We had basically this whole movie of them alone and caring primarily for each other; now they're separated for who knows how long. It wouldn't surprise me if the next movie stars like a year or three later, with Rey coming back to the Resistance all excited about reconnecting with her friends. She seeks out Finn, only to find him hanging out with a new bae. Classic.

    It means you engage in discussion of and support for one or more of the romantic relationships. Finn/Rey is an example of one ship, Rey/Poe another, and Rey/Kylo a third. Sometimes ships fight. It's bad.
     
  25. jaqen

    jaqen Chosen One star 5

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    Finn and Rey have Han/Leia level potential. The chemistry between them is just that good. And best off all, unlike say Anakin/Padme, both of the characters are looser, freer, and have a ton of charisma, charm and likability. That makes for a potentially very dynamic romance.