ST The Rey Parentage Thread (with new poll; see notes on page 2447)

Which is why I have watched very few Disney animated sequels....except for the Toy Story films...

 

You LOST me.

 

See, Palpatine used the Force to kill Padme, but as Plagueis once warned him, the Force can strike back at any time, and the Force indeed fought back by keeping Padme alive long enough to give birth.

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I to do not think we need an episode 9, 10, and 11.

The Jedi Order should be begun to rebuild by the end of the ST, and it should be a while before their is another galactic war. Rey's generation deserves some rest from war.

Maybe we could have an animated series post ST (continued adventures of Rey and a new jedi order, Daisy could return to voice act) or eventually an anthology film set after episode 9. But for me, Disney should change the formula up instead of resorting to another skywalker trilogy.


The best path I think Disney should take to get out of the Skywalker and Rebels vs Empire house is to do an Old Republic Era trilogy (not titled episode 10, etc).

Their is so much to explore in the "For over a thousand generations the Jedi Knights were the guardians of peace and justice in the Old Republic".

Bring a "new" conflict on screen while giving the surviving ST cast a break from war, and not another rehash of rebellion vs empire.


What are your view on a old republic trilogy?

 

Totally all for it! Anything but this never-ending galactic conflict to which we'll never get a final resolution.

'Cause you know what? If I want never-ending conflict, I read a superhero comic series. Or I read the newspaper x_x

And the great epic stories of history? All had endings!

 

Right! Plus, we've already had this story of the darkside villain being the father of the new heroes in the OT. Do we really need to have EVERYTHING repeated??? There were already far too many repetitions of things from the previous films in TFA, in my opinion. Can't we do something different? Why should the villains always get to have families, but good guys like Luke can't?

 

Or if they do, the kid is evil.

Here's the gist of what's goinh on:

Rey is a Skywalker. There needs to be a connection.

No she's not. It's repetitive. Time for something new.

But if she isn't then the Skywalker line ends. It should continue.

Yes it should but it doesn't have to be Rey. Kylo can have a family.

But isn't that repetitive too? (Back to the beginning again)

Well.....

(Then lastjediknight comes in): well maybe they harvested Jyn's eggs and used them to clone Shmi's pet gundark to make a new skywalker (or something)

Unanimous response: Time for a drink or two or three.

Too bad I don't drink.

 

Actually.. I've been fairly clear on my opinion that the story should end @ 12. As such, so should the Skywalkers. Rey would be the last of the line. I do think the circumstances of the birth shouldn't be as straightforward as Luke simply knocked a woman up. There should be a bit of mystery surrounding the circumstances of the conception. My favorite personal theory was an extremely close platonic relationship that was never consummated, and all of a sudden the woman turns out to be pregnant. Sort of following the Mary & Joseph motif. Was it IC, did the Force end up making it happen, did the woman cheat on him, or what? So in some ways, Rey doesn't become fully accepted by Luke as being a child of his.. as he never did the deed with the woman who had her.

BTW... for those of a certain age.. I was thinking.. hmmm Luke and the character played by LAURA Der... WAIT LUKE & LAURA? LOLZ. If you don't know what I mean, move along.

And if you recall my theories, part of the physical destruction and transformation of Rey at the end of 9 would implicitly dictate that she isn't having kids. Any children she would have would be whatever she ends up creating in the wake of the end of The Saga. Be it Jedi 2.0, Gray Order, or restarting of the Whills, pick something. She would never have any biological kids of her own.

 

Rey not being related to the Skywalkers would be different, so...

And the good guys did get to have a family. Han and Leia are part of the good guys, no?

 

Hang on, wasn't your original theory that Jyn was artificially inseminated with Vader's sperm? How come was that Dark Side sperm still functional, then?

Or is this theory of more recent origin, just to make sure Kylo doesn't reproduce?

 

Correct. With the conceit being that he couldn't have kids while he was alive. After he was dead, then it would work, particularly given he had redeemed himself by killing Palpatine.

Its pretty much the same. I've felt for a long time that writing-wise, having people who've fallen to the Dark Side be able to procreate causes too many problems and too many questions. Its a lot better if they can't in general, and can explain quite a few things. With special cases and situations of course as story requires. The first rule of setting a rule in writing is you look for ways to break it to build a story around.

Its the same thing as LOST, where you would start to wonder why the Island isn't overrun with people having kids. Kids can't be taken to term on The Island, problem solved! (Exceptions being Aaron and Alex, for which the mothers were already like 9 months pregnant when they arrived)

 

Wait are you directing this at me? Lol

I have never cared to see Rey become an incubator for continuing the Skywalker line, and that opinion holds regardless of whether she's a Skywalker or a Random that must be stuck marrying this generation's only Skywalker.

My point that you quoted said nothing about any of that. Maybe the disconnect in your strawmen is your tendency to lump all "reywalkers" together in the worst strawmen way possible.

Nobody has to "own" anything. I'm pretty open myself in my opinions. I have no agenda. I want Rey to be a Skywalker because this is Rey's story and I think she deserves all the credit and development for her story. I have no desire to see Rey Random play a pawn in Kylo and Luke's angst after having the first movie of HER trilogy all about her longing for family and her plethora of secret connections to the Skywalkers.

My hope, since you're presuming things, is that Rey's story is the end of the Skywalker saga, and the next saga will feature an unrelated protagonist with supporting roles held by skywalkers. I don't think we need Saga after Saga of demanding this woman or that continue the Skywalker line by making babies her sole duty.

There is no danger in my argument or my opinion. TFA laid Rey's connection to the Skywalkers on thick. Rey's only character development was about her longing for her mysterious family and her mysterious connection to the Skywalkers. This is her story, and her story was wrapped up completely in the mystery of whether she's a Skywalker. If she's not, then we get to watch Rey Therapist try to solve Kylo and Uncle Luke's Skywalker drama and all the stuff about Rey's family is for not. This is the Skywalker saga after all.

Clearly LF CAN do whatever they want, including build a Rey Random trilogy around the Skywalker family angst. Meanwhile, I can point out that they are not really giving us our girl Jedi with her own story. They're pretending to give us Rey's story, but in that case, they're totally obscuring it behind the male Skywalkers.

 

But what about, say, the Nightsisters? Canon Dark Side users who had plenty of children.

As for Lost, I never watched it beyond the first few episodes but from what I've heard I thought they were all supposed to be

Spoiler

dead. Hard to procreate when you're not alive, I would think.

 

Yeah - I think there has been some good debate here and there. And simply by the law of averages, it's possible someone has got close.

 

You're right about one thing... you've not watched LOST.

The other part? Nope. Not that that doesn't play a part at some point, but you'd have to actually watch the series to understand why you're wrong.

 

Ah, okay. Well, this is what a friend of mine told me, so she didn't understand the series, then Like I said, I lost my patience and never watched the series.

Either way, SW isn't Lost, and my point about the Nightsisters still stands.

 

Let's not be disingenous. My post clearly addressed the following point that you made:

That is not an argument for randomly inserting a Kylo baby and wife into the story now.

How would giving Kylo Ren, a Skywalker, a child in what every single Reywalker in this thread deems the "Skywalker saga" be random? If this ST truly is about the Skywalker saga than nope, giving Kylo a child wouldn't be "random" at all. It would be a major development, and very much in keeping with SW tradition.

It's your assumption that if Rey isn't a Skywalker, the only thing left for her to play is be the Skywalker family therapist. That isn't a fact, ergo it's not an actual, valid criticism that can be addressed. Neither you, I, or anyone here, has any idea how Rey fits the story, regardless of her bloodline.

The delicious irony.

 

I honestly don't see how it can be both Rey's story and part of the "Skywalker Saga". No matter what one of those stories will be pushed to the background. If the focus is on Rey her motivations and her story then the Skywalkers are just there for th sake of it, if the focus is on the Skywalker drama, then Rey gets pushed to the background. If Rey isn't a Skywalker and the story is interesting thats fine, I just wish they wouldn't consider it part of the Skywalker Saga. It honestly would take away from it being Reys story.

 

Rey Therapist is ridiculous.

 

But as jedijax pointed out, their kid ended up going bad and turned into yet another villain, like his grandfather. Does this cycle need to keep continuing over and over again? Can't a good skywalker ever get to have a good kid to break that cycle? And I really don't understand why some people seem to think that two next generation Skywalkers is too many? Leia, and probably Luke too, will soon be out of the stories. I see no problem with having both Rey and kylo be Skywalkers. In fact, I think that would be a good thing for the franchise going forward. Plus, Rey being a skywalker really ties the three trilogies together so well, with the main characters in each trilogy being a skywalker, and the focus going from anakin skywalker to son, Luke skywalker, to daughter, Rey skywalker.

@ Jaqen, why are you so opposed to Luke having a daughter?

 

Thank the Maker!

Child of Winds

Going into see TFA, I was totally open to the idea of Luke having children. Luke was my favorite character when I was a kid. But that's not the story I saw unfold on screen, as I interpreted it. I really don't believe that's where they're going, but I've been wrong before.

 

I've seen a lot of "If Rey is rando, it supports the idea that you don't need to be part of a bloodline to be special."

Which is the message of many stories, yes. But I haven't yet seen how it's a Star Wars message.

Anakin was special because he was "born of the Force." Luke is special because he's Vader's son. In fact, Vader could only have been redeemed by his child. Kylo is being corrupted and controlled because he is a Skywalker.

"I am a Jedi, like my father before me." - "The Force is strong in my family. My father has it. I have it. My sister has it. You have that power too." - "That lightsaber was Luke's. And his father's before him. And now, it calls to you."

Bloodlines seem to be awful important in Star Wars. What's interesting is that in the classic story, only "dynasties" are considered important until an unknown hero comes along and disproves that belief. In Star Wars, Jedi ALWAYS came from "nowhere" (born of non-Jedi). The Skywalkers are an anomoly - special because of their lineage. What makes them interesting and unique - not just powerful - is how each handles that legacy and power.

My theory of the case could be proven wrong - anything's possible - or Disney may have decided to move in a different direction with the Saga films. But this has always been how I, personally, have seen the films. Tbh, it seems that every movie hero these days "comes out of nowhere." Ironically I find the Star Wars films to be relatively unique in how they eschew this trope.