ST The Rey Parentage Thread (with new poll; see notes on page 2447)

what theory that it eliminates dead parents or no show parents? I didn't use his words to say it meant Rey Skywalker.

well now I hope everyone knows I'll quote CT as much as I want and have no interest in discussing the man. If people want to discuss what he says fine in context of the SW movies and the ST.

If you want to criticize the man or his films or whatever else no interest. You guys/gals can do that without including me.

 

I can counter you with,. we have Luke Skywalker, Leia Skywalker, Ben (Solo) Skywalker and a Vader mask.

and the protagonist,. I think.

You don't want to go down the Skywalker rabbit hole.. people get Force choked, down there.

 

Posts in this thread need to remain relevant to the topic: Rey's lineage / parentage. If the discussion veers into just discussing Trevorrow, without that connection to the topic, then that should go in the thread for Trevorrow.

 

I'd suggest that Trevorrow's Book of Henry rather demonstrates at least one level of parenthood that is considered by him to be artistically satisfying. YMMV, but I don't think his track record has eliminated dead/fled parents.

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starocean90
I didn't "discuss the man." I discussed, among other things, his storytelling. There was no personal attack. I suggest Trevorrow hasn't indicated a preference, or even the hint of a preference, in the Rey parentage debate.

 

Ok... after reading through the subsequent posts you're clearly advocate of Luke as the father #564987.

Why the need to try to act like you actually 'discovered' something? You aren't saying anything others haven't said repeatedly across the first 2000 pages when it comes to Luke being her father. Welcome to the convo. I've always said that Luke IMO is the most likely option they went with, although Anakin as her biological father would be far better for the overall story. Rey Solo has always been a bit silly imo given what we got in TFA causing that ship to sail, and Rey Random imo is for people who don't really like Star Wars.

But everything applicable to Luke as her father works 10x better with Anakin as her father. I just don't think they really had the guts to go there. All those references you make to ANAKIN? Just move her up the lineage a hair. All of the Skywalker, none of the inevitable helicopter parent baggage from being the daughter of essentially the most powerful Force user alive in a GFFA. At that point, you either kill him off or one of two things happens. Either he overshadows her(any Big Win he would likely get all the credit for), or he leaves and she shows him up(see... I fixed what you broke) and turns him into the biggest failure ever. There isn't much wiggle room there. People really like the idea of Luke as her father without actually looking at the narrative consequences.

Either way, for my snap reaction to TFA after watching the film... don't worry about page 2009, try the 2nd post in this thread.

 

Love the new signature.

 

I'm sorry, I've been away for awhile. Have we solved it yet?

Saw we broke 50,000 so congrats everyone!

My Rey prediction is Hondo is her uncle's, girlfriend's, brother's boss who knows someone who drank at the same cantina as her parents.

 

Thank you for helping make my point... IF Rey is revealed to be a Kenobi, in hindsight his presence will be felt more strongly in the ST, as Rey will then be his grandkid/niece/whathaveyou just like the Skywalkers are descended from Vader. Plus, she her relationship with Luke would have that added bonus of being related to his teacher.

See my reply above ^ (and you'll also see in my OP that I already pointed out Vader's mask)

 

Star Wars current production team and Daisy is trolling people with this subject.
Daisy have said earlier this year that we will found out soon who are the parents of Rey.
Remember that J.J have told something about Lucas and his "mystery box".

This "mystery box" (actually boxes) was something very used by Lucas in previous episodes of Star Wars and the practice is still kept now.
So, I think even after this episode we will not get too many extra clues about who are Rey parents.
Or we could find some clues about one Rey parent, being mother or father while the other parent will be kept secret.

Remember that we only find out in Star Wars - episode 6 that Luke and Leia are brothers and that both of them are Vader/Anakin children.
Luke have found out he is the son of Vader in the end of Episode 5.
However, we are getting no clue about who their mother was.
Fans of Star Wars found out who is the mother of Luke and Leia after 20 years, from Lucas.

Now, we got a lot of information about Kylo, we find out he is the son of Leia and Han Solo.
But, maybe we will be told who is one parent of Rey.
However, if the pattern is respected , the story about the other parent of Rey will be disclosed after some good years, in a new Star Wars series.

 

Ah, but Vader is the progeniter of the (Force-sensative) Skywalker family line. The scene with the helmet clearly demonstrates that the filmmaker presumes an audience familiarity with Darth Vader and his relationship with characters who appear in the film. And even then someone walking into the ST with no clue what this "Darth Vader" thing is would probably miss the significance of Kylo Ren in relation to the Saga. But if Rey were revealed as Luke's daughter in TLJ/Ep 9, the ST audience would get it, because the reveal wouldn't be so much "Anakin's grandkid!" (Who's Anakin? they might ask - TFA doesn't even mention Anakin by name) br "Luke's daughter."

And no. Rey bring revealed as a Kenobi would not suddenly make the ST audience know who Obi-wan is or understand the significance of his connection to Luke or Anakin, nor would his presence be felt "in retrospect." He's still not in the ST. Luke is. Pretty big difference. Given a choice of who to connect Rey to, why pick Obi-wan? And if they picked Obi-wan, why not even mention his name in TFA? Pretty awful narrative set-up/foreshadowing, if so.

 

Playing devil's advocate, I'm not sure where this idea is coming from that no one knows who obi-wan Kenobi is. He's a huge part of pop culture and even if he wasn't, it would take all of a minute to key an oblivious audience in to who he is and why it's a big deal - plus whoever Rey is it comes down to execution in making sure the audience connects because of how it impacts Rey. That said, I see why people think Luke or the Solos are an easier sell. They are in many ways for all the reasons spelled out here as nauseam. I just don't but that Kenobi is an impossible sell at all.

 

I kinda think they would have popped him in TFA somewhere. I mean, more than just "Rey," spoken in the (unidentified) voice of Alec Guiness, who most certainly will not be reprising his role in TLJ, Ep 9, or future spinoffs...

And Obi-wan is nowhere NEAR the level of cultural recognition Vader is. Very few peeps I know irl are SW fans, but they ALL recognize the name and image of Darth Vader. Can't say the same about Obi-wan.

Then there's the matter of explaining Rey's parents and grandmother (vs just, say, mom), as well as (to established fans) why rules-stickler Obi-wan had an affair (is there even sex outside of marriage in SW?), why he spent 19 years watching over Luke instead of his own family, etc etc. I don't see why Kenobi would be considered a preferable parentage route. Even if LFL was, for some reason, dead set against Rey being a Skywalker (why??!!).

Recall that they started thinking about - and likely determined) - Rey's parentage early in TFA development. As in, *before the story had even been established.*

"Hmm, this female lead character - we don't have the story down yet, but who should her parents be?"

See:

Kathy Kennedy interview

MTV:"Tell me a bit about, there's been so much conjecture about Rey's parentage. For you is that question integral to the story in these last 2 films or is too much being made of that question."

KK:"No, I think it is integral. I think it is important. I think it's something that you know....Interestingly enough even when we were sitting coming up with episode VII:TFA. It was one of the central questions we were all asking ourselves. So it's not surprising that the audience is going to continue...ask that, we have to answer it at some point. I think that's what everyone is intrigued by. Do we answer that now? do we answer it later? Hmmm, I'm not going to answer that. (laughs)"


I believe that the fact that they began thinking about the protag's parentage THAT early on is pretty significant. It indicates that said parentage was probably not established to conform to a plot/story/etc. More likely, the other way around.

 

He doesn't need to be as well known as Vader / though I would argue that he's still hugely well known.

 

Obi-Wan is well known and well liked. But he's been absent from all of this. It would be a way to connect Kenobi to this tale, but at the end of the day, a Rey Kenobi reveal doesn't really bring much to the table. She's still somewhat random because ObiWan would be her grandfather. There's still the parents that need to be explained.

An Obi-Wan spin-off >>>>>>Boba Fett spin off but it doesn't make a Rey Kenobi reveal any better. Now, if Luke met the daughter of Obi-Wan sometime after ROTJ and THEY had a daughter then we may have something. Rey being a union of the Skywalkers and Kenobis would be cool because that would represent a balance. But a Kenobi by herself? No thanks.

 

Don't forget they actually started with Lucas' treatment.

I personally believe Thea and Skylar were both Solos.

 

Well, Lucas did say in 2015 that the Saga was about "The father, the children, and the grandchildren." Don't think he was lying about what he gave KK to work with. So at the very least I'd say the starting point was Rey being related in some way. Unless he was lying. And KK was lying. They take their red herrings very seriously.

It's inneresting -

Ben = "son" Vader = "father"
Rey = "light" (Kira = "light" too) Luke = "lightbringer"

I love these fun little naming coincidences Who'da thunk!

 

FWIW, and I don't believe anyone to be massively swayed by this, we have a poster here sometimes, who I believe to be trustworthy on these matters, who claims that George's original plans included the Solo kids - Skylar and whatever the girl was called, and then Kira - who was always an orphan scavenger on a junk world. So if this poster is correct, it maybe that the grandkids and the scavenger were never one and the same. Mind you, even if that was the case, we have no way of knowing if that remained the case or if they merged the scavenger into one of the grandkids. But I don't think it's beyond the realm of possibility that George would include an orphan as one of his major heroes given his own kids are all adopted. And if George always saw himself as the Luke, then maybe he'd make the lead of the new trilogy an orphan that Luke eventually adopts (or takes under his wing for all those that get too tied upon the legalities of a mid-20s adoption).

 

Since I saw the CT interview being referenced again, and I never watched it to understand the context, here is the the transcript of the interview:
ET: "Have you heard the theory that Rey is obi-wan's granddaughter?"

CT: "I have seen all of the theories....you know I have to practice how to answer these questions? What I do know is that we are going to make sure that answer is deeply and profoundly satisfying cuz Rey is a character that is important in this universe, not just in the context of TFA but in the entire galaxy...uh and she deserves it...so we will make sure that that answer is something that feels like...something that happened a long time ago in a galaxy far far away and we are just telling you what happens."

ET: What was your favorite character or moment from the movie?

CT: I love Rey. I uh love her and what she represents in that universe and where we can take her it's pretty incredible..." "...by the time we get to Episode IX, I look at the movie as one movie, as three movies, as six movies, as nine movies, as something that needs to honor a story told over a period of forty years." "...Star Wars is a belief system, uh, it's not just a story, it's not just a movie, it's something I take very seriously."

Context always means a lot. People are always referring to what CT said in reference to Rey so I thought we should look at the body of what he is said in context. With that said, I don't think it offered any clues as to Rey's lineage. "Profoundly satisfying" is so general as to be meaningless, which was obviously his intention. The whole interview sounds more like a set of statements from him telling SW fans that he loves the series and takes it seriously. But since he was directly answering the "Kenobi" question and all of his comments pretty much involve Rey, his referencing SW as a belief system/mythology can certainly tie it all the way to the beginning, including obi-wan.
But I can see no objective clue hiding in here. You would have to stretch his comments to the breaking point to make an argument for any one outcome. Sounds more like he was trying to ensure SW fans he wasn't going to crap on the saga's legacy without giving anything away.

 

Correct - "profoundly satisfying" offers absolutely zip as a clue.

 

That last sentance +++

If anything can be parsed in forensic detail, it's the script.

And if one thinks the script can be parsed, why one would believe that interview responses could be is beyond me.

Satipo

Can we at least conclude it eliminates Rey the Hutt as a possibility? XD

 

Ha, yes 100%!

 

it doesn't eliminate Rey Rey Binks!!!!

 

PLZ MAH BRAIN!! ;_;