ST The Romantic Future of Kylo Ren and Rey

No, sorry, it was an answer to one of the quotes contained in yours. Sorry for that. In fact I agree with your answer.
No, my mistake, I meant to click on the post above this one, sorry again. It was an anwer to lizzie_jo5. To her post, I mean, LOL.
What a mess, I got altered because you called Kylo hideous, see what you have done, lizzie_jo5 ? LOL

 

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Her countenance in that third gif is soooo intense, my oh my. I imagine she'll shoot Ben a similar gaze to that in ep.IX when he forgets to pick up the blue milk after they kill Snoke

 

True, I see your point. Anyway, just for fun then:

Here is Zuko from Avatar: The Last Airbender. I highly recommend the show! (it looks like anime a little, and is certainly inspired by the style, but it is a western animated cartoon show for kids)

 

A better thing to do would be to write how you understand different people find different things sexy. That would have been politically correct instead of insulting me. i am a woman of 32 so I have seen enough movies in my life. And yes in general i don't associate scars with sexiness. I can look past scars depending on a character but I am not on a look out for guys with scars. The concept of beauty is relative.

 

The only proper way to end this war is if the FO disarms in my opinion. My ending for Ep8 involves Luke coming back and helping the resistance. Luke and Kylo end up fighting [after he beats Rey] and Luke wins, cutting off Kylo's arm. So at the start of Ep9 Kylo is being held prisoner by Luke. Luke realises Kylo does not want to come back to the light. So he sets about re-directing Kylo's hate from him to Snoke. He taunts him telling Kylo he is merely a puppet for Snoke. He questions Kylo's desire to being stronger than Vader, telling him Vader wanted a peace in the galaxy. He then sends him back to Snoke. Now Kylo questions Snoke. He wonders if Snoke wants to save the galaxy from the Jedi or simply destroy what Luke help build. All the while the resistance are preparing to launch their attack on Snoke.s base. But they know if they destroy Snoke's base they also destroy Rey and Finn who were captured by the FO. Luke hopes that Kylo will see the light, turn against Snoke, take control of the FO and surrender. So the final battle will reflect the final fight in ROTJ with Kylo,Rey and Snoke replacing Luke, Vader and Palpatine. Rey will try to break through to Kylo while Snoke will want Kylo to prove his loyalty by killing Rey.In the end Kylo and Rey unite to kill Snoke. Kylo takes control of the FO just before the resistance can destroy their base. The movie ends with Kylo and the FO leaders being arrested and trialed.Rey and Kylo earn each other's respect . Kylo apoligises for what he has done telling Rey that she showed him the light was still there inside him. Rey tells him that she has felt all his pain and rage and she knew he was still good. They look wishfully at each other. Rey tells Kylo she is proud of him and will wiat for him. The movie ends with the republic absorbing the systems under FO control and finally restored to it's place. Luke and Rey set out on a journey to find Force students, with Luke crediting Rey with saving him and the Jedi Order.

What you think? It satisfies my desire for Kylo to serve a punishment. And it gives the Reylo fans a promise of a relantionship in the future Star Wars movies.

 

I love his helmet and I would be sad to see it go but I would also like to see the expressions of Adam Driver as well. As FrolickingFizzgig and others have pointed out, the helmet served its purpose, the mystery is gone from Kylo and now he has a scar to show his dichotomy. But then again, the scar represents Kylo's moment of defeat, failure and a bit of humiliation (even though his expression was one of admiration for Rey) so not sure if he'd want to parade it around The Finalizer and Hux when they had to rescue him from being beaten by a scavenger girl (in their pov). I'm hoping he still wears one of the spares D) around the FO and Hux, and in more private and intimate/intense dealings (looking in the mirror at his scar, with Vader's helmet, with Rey/Luke, etc.) that he goes without the helmet. I'm happy that I'm fine with either helmeted Kylo or unhelmeted Kylo because they're both equally so good.

 

I'm glad J. R. R. Tolkien, Peter Jackson and New Line Cinema killed off Thorin Oakenshield, he was an incredibly greedy, vengeful, lying, disloyal, faithless, egotistical j*rk.

 

Doesn't look like my cup of tea but who knows, maybe one day

 

I didn't mean to insult you, but I don't know what I said to offend you, really,as I didn't make any personal comments in reference to either you or anyone else. And sorry but I didn't take this conversation too seriously or choose to be offended by what other people say when they are not attacking me personally. Political correctness is usually overvalued and far from sincerity.

It was you who called Kylo hideous, I didn't say anyone in the cast was hideous, and it is me who is not politically correct?

 

What is this supposed to mean...?

 

Moves more like Obi-Wan for me

 

Too much Luke...

Here's a cute fanart with tiny!scowling!baby!Ben:


http://lousysharkbutt.tumblr.com/post/140825265139

 

He has hair (raven,ebony), lips (blood), skin (snow) like this Princess:



And narrow face like this Princess:



Flowing locks like these Princesses:



Is seduced by the Light like this Princess:

 

I don't think anybody here has any desire to forget about Ren's sins. I've written entire posts before about why his ambiguity makes him such a fascinating construct. He is an absolute masterpiece of a character. I would never have been able to analyze any other character in this film to this extent... indeed, I can't think of a lot of characters in modern children's stories I would be able to deconstruct like Kylo Ren. He reminds me of Holden Caulfield in a lot of ways (probably my favourite character of all time). Like Holden, Ren is something truly special, and I would hate to see his potential squandered (not that I think the writers will do this, they love the character and seem very eager for his development).

Anyway, I acknowledge that Ren is a villain. I have no desire to paint him as some kind of hero, anti-hero, Byronic hero or anything involving the word hero. Technically he's an anti-villain, but he's still definitely a villain. That said, now that we've been discussing his sins and crimes for two months, I legitimately just don't care about pandering to the individuals who come onto this thread and throw the same irrelevant arguments back and forth. If they had a real argument founded in narrative analysis we would have seen it already. The argument does not exist so they instead turn to real-life morality, real-life psychology, real-life history and real-life "abuse". It's all very repetitive and it makes this thread go around and around like BB-8 stuck on a treadmill.

 

Excellent - Kylo Ren/Ben Solo is the embodiment of so many Disney princesses!!! Rey is just going to have to save our damsel in distress!!!!



sorry about your feels Speksy

 

Still Luke's story in my opinion.In the same way The Shawshank Redemption is Red's story but Andy plays a huge role in it. REY is the one who A:Brings Luke back to the fight and B: convinces Kylo to embrace the light makes her the Andy of the story.

 

We have never seen the good guys use torture in Star Wars, actually. It has always been explicitly portrayed as a tactic of evil forces (The Empire in the OT, and now the First Order in the ST). This was certainly deliberate, as I know Lucas is firmly against the use of torture, including in war (not to mention that the use of torture is forbidden by our Geneva Convention here on Earth).

So yeah, we expect villains to use torture in Star Wars. But there's no equivalency here between the FO and the Resistance. The latter would likely never use the method, unless Johnson and Trevorrow decide to pain them with a grayer brush.

That said, it's not just that Kylo is using a torture technique. It's that we're talking about a man who used torture on a restrained woman eventually being in a relationship with him.

If that's not executed very, very delicately, and without an explicit assurance that Rey enters the relationship from a position of strength, Reylo could be a disaster. But again, I think there's a possibility, however small, of getting this right.

 

Hah, if you are going to a sexy Zuko pic, there is only one

 

Here's a fan art of Kylo Ren princess Jedi power - Animal communication
https://41.media.tumblr.com/09a4307ae6c97f465b662ca7295405cc/tumblr_o3ixh6Orer1v5p3djo1_500.png

 

Jack was too much of a cash cow to have married off and changed, they played with the idea but didn't go there. Sequels were more important.8

I shipped jack and Liz, but they are not the same as ren and rey. Jack is not a villain/redemption tale

 

Exactly. Whenever we see jedi mind tricks or probes in previous films, I don't remember seeing any pain. They're usually done on simple, weak-minded people like a storm trooper or a death stick user minding his own business. They had no notice it was going to happen so they don't resist and there's no pain. This makes sense to me. It seems like Luke didn't show physical pain while Vader was reading his thoughts either.

 

At bolded, this is untrue. Mace, Obi-wan and Anakin 'torture' Cad Bane in TCW (which is canon)

 

A mistake by Filoni, IMO. However, and this is important: there's an undercurrent of the Jedi having "lost their way" in the PT era. No way Yoda and Obi-Wan of the OT, or the Rebellion, would have condoned torture. And I hope Lucasfilm doesn't introduce that into canon, unless an explicit point is made that it's a negative thing the good guys are doing. The "successful" use of torture is also problematic, as in reality, torture is a very, very unreliable method of extracting information. And, of course, illegal under international law.

 

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It's a fairytale love at first sight for him, of that I'm certain. But it may be nemesis at first sight for her. With a potential to change.

 

I'm hoping that Kylo actually sees the error of his ways because of Leia and seeks his mother's forgiveness. I want his redemption to be all about his mother. How they're going to go about his redemption, I have no idea and I fully know that he might not get it until the last moment of nine. If they jail him, sure whatever, whatever is decided upon the creatives is fine, as long as it's good story telling.

I think a lot of Reylos saw TFA as Act 1 of a 3 part play, and we're having fun deciphering tropes, possible influences from KOTR and character archetypes to try to see if we're interpreting things correctly. While a lot of people who don't understand Reylo just saw TFA as a stand alone movie with no further character development.

I honestly don't expect Adam to appear in future trilogies unless it's just occasional cameos, because they are a huge time commitment and he might want to try other types of characters while there's so much interest in him.