ST The Romantic Future of Kylo Ren and Rey

I've had reason to believe otherwise but fair enough ok then, would it be dissapointing for you if Rey and Kylo are indeed related?

 

It's fine if people click and if that's what happens then it happens. But saying that Ben won't get at least a happy ending of some sort seems a bit closed minded. In this movie sure, in the next movie they may have a scene. I'm not saying Rey and Finn as a couple aren't worth it, I'm just saying that everyone keeps thinking it's a clear cut and they may surprise us with something. Rey could turn out to be asexual and not be into anyone in the end. Romance doesn't have to be hard but as far as story telling is concerned there has to be some sort of conflict some where or else there is no gain for the couple. Even in the most easiest romance there is usually something to over come for them and right now, outside of Finn being in a Coma what is there for him and rey to overcome? What would be the conflict there between them?

 

Actually alot of people (a predominant amount, in truth) are pushing for Rey to be asexual, especially if a destiny as a Jedi is in her future. No attachments and all that. I think even Finn-Rey is an uphill battle, tbh.

 

Ugh yeah it would be disappointing lol. I really don't want a whole soap opera with everyone being related to another (and I have watched pretty much all soap operas lol- Days of Our Lives, All My Children etc.) and that is the feel I would get if Rey and Kylo were related. I also believe that Star Wars isn't about bloodlines. As much as Star Wars is about the Skywalkers, it's so much mroe than that. Making Rey a random force person would be more inspirational to me personally.

When I went in watching the movie, I was not thinking about romance at all. If they were going to have some, it seemed like they would probably go for Finn and Rey or Poe and Rey. Never dreamed of Rey with Kylo. After the movie though, the chemistry between Daisy Ridley and Adam Driver, and the potential for a really fresh take on the whole redemption story would be something we're literally never seen before. Yes the bad guy with the good girl is a common theme, but Kylo and Rey would be a really unique variation of it. He's such a bad guy right now, and they really don't like each other, and it's in the setting of an epic space story. There's so much they can do with that, as opposed to two cousins fighting each other.

 

Yes, because I don't want anymore Skywalkers wandering about. Especially when you would have to leap backwards through hoops on fire to make it work and Luke, Han and Leia not to look like tools.

And this is from someone who went into the movie 100% Rey Skywalker but left 90%Rey Random.

 

Loll what can I say, I'm a sap for classic romance stories !

 

Most fans are seriously against the idea of Rey Random, popular beef is that it would diminish the Skywalker name if just 'anyone ' could become that powerful in the Force. Many people like their family dramas.

Kylo-Rey as you describe would certainly be unprecedented, but at this point there is so much baggage attached to it that redeeming him would require devoting an entire movie to understand his motivations. I just think that Finnrey or Rey-nobody is far simpler to digest for most people and this IS a mainstream film. (And just my opinion, but Finnrey is kinda great )

 

Finn could very well be related to Ciana Ree and Thane Kyrell from the Aftermath books. She's dark skinned and was a member of the Empire, and didn't give up info to the republic after they captured her after her defeat at Jakku and Thane Kyrell is an aristocrat who was her former boyfriend who still had feelings for her. Given the age of Finn it's not hard to believe that these two could have worked things out and they had Finn, giving his last name as Kyrell if they want to do that.

I'm a bit suspect on that post, as I'm more Pro Skywalker camp than anything in regard to Rey's linage.

 

I'm all for family sagas! I'm pretty obsessed over fictional family trees lol. My favorite books of all time, East of Eden and 100 Years of Solitude are just that. And as I said, I used to watch soap operas because I really liked how everyone was connected. And I love Game of Thrones, a big reason for which is there's all the family houses (love the Targaryens!!).

But I feel that family sagas, they only work in certain settings/contexts. If Rey is a Skywalker, does that mean the Skywalker legacy just continues for eons and eons? Doesn't that make the Skywalker some kind of elitist dynasty, which goes against the principles of the jedi? I think already we have enough with Kylo being a Skywalker. I think a very seemingly irredeemable Skywalker to be redeemed would make an amazing story. A good Skywalker vs a bad Skywalker not so much. It becomes very black and white for me. You have to have moral ambiguity in there somewhere. I get that Rey could possibly go dark, and she could definitely be tempted, but I think she's just too good a person to really fall for it. Also, it'd be sad to see Han and Leia's son to not become good again. Han died loving his son, that has to mean something.

Star Wars is mainstream, but that doesn't mean it has to be predictable. Star Wars was made great because of its twists.

 

No it can't be wiped away but can people view him in a better light, can't he do things that will make up for his past actions. Death means that's it, your dead, you can't make up for your faults, only the living can do that. To die for your sins is a waste in this case as the Solo line still has a story to tell. True it was the end for Han, but not for Ben. For better or worse he is the last of the Solos, at least on Han's side of things. We don't know if they're going to let him keep his brother or not from the EU. I don't really know if at that moment Han was looking to redeem him. He was trying to bring him back but Han saw him as being the one that killed people, he saw the dark side of Ben in that sense. Should he have called out earlier when Rey was being carried into the ship? Maybe, but in the end while yes Ben did kill his father, the reaction after showed a kid that wasn't thrilled with his actions, he was weaker for it, and he's going to be haunted by that for the rest of his life.

Pointing back to Darth Revan on this, he was called the Butcher, who straight up killed a number of people once he went to the dark side, and yet after he worked his *** off to make up for his faults, to save lives. Yes what Ben did was horrible, and no it's not going to be cleaned away, but time does heal wounds and killing Ben doesn't bring back Han no matter what happens.

 

It's an interesting situation between the Luke fans right now. Half think he's a loser who failed and the other half think he should be given a break for the situation with Ben. The problem for me with Rey Random is that it cuts into the idea that Luke never got that happiness that he wanted. Hamill wanted Luke to have someone, and i don't see why Kasdan and Abrams would give Ford his death while denying Hamill that small romance that he seemed to beg George for. The Skywalker name is significant in that their line is a lot like that of King Arthur or other types of the like. The bloodline, while not perfect, has a deep root in the world of Star Wars and is significantly important to things going on. Also given this is a serial it would be weird to suddenly change from one family to another without rhyme or reason.

Hey what's that, we have Episode VIII, which could easily fill that gap. Yes we have to learn about Rey but that could probably be intermingled with his motivations. We have stuff on Finn but I think they're going to save him for IX. Finnrey is great, true enough, Poeray would be great too, so would Benrey, or rey alone, or reyandnewgirl. I think your right on the digesting part, on the other hand there has been at least one cousin couple i can think of that worked and worked damn well, Matthew and Mary of Downton Abby.

 

Truthfully if the saga decided to get non-Skywalkers in the mix, I'd be excited. The galaxy needs to get bigger imo. Not to mention the fact that Skywalkers seem to follow the same paths and make the same missteps over and over, continuing the cycle of temptation and redemption. Idk, at some point maybe we all need to admit the family is cursed lol.

Hans death is supposed to be tragic. He gave himself for one last attempt to turn his son. But Kylo refused it. That doesn't make the sacrifice any less noble or meaningful though. And ultimately that seed planted in Kylos mind, the fact that he passed his 'test' but was no more powerful and was bested by Rey in their battle, may lead him to a crisis of conscience down the line.

Oh I think there will be surprises in store. But what they are I have no idea. That's the fun part.

 

Actually no, for me it's just fine. I can take or leave the whole Reylo thing, I'd really like it to happen, but if TPTB feel that people will freak out then, Okay I guess. However we've seen that related couples do work in main stream and quiet well in the entertainment world.

Downton Abby is a big situation with that having the two main romantic pairing being Matthew and Mary, who are both cousins. Then there's Lizzie and Ciel from black Butler a comic, we're going to have to see that relationship when they do the Inhumans as Medusa and Blackbolt are cousins, then you have Mansfield park which has a relationship, the godfather III had it but with sad ending, Sissi from france has it in there, there's also Jude which is depressing and How I live now, and that's the ones I can think of off the top of my head.

Edit: Almost forgot Secret Garden as well has this with Colin and Mary, there's also from plays Romeo and Juliet who are cousins through their mothers I think, Jack/earnest and Gwen in the Importance of being earnest, Cyrano and Roxanne from Cyrano, Alex and Jenny Aspects of Love have this as one of the stories, also you have it showing up in a number of video games like Fire Emblem, Blaze Blue has this aspect of the family line being involved, Molly and Arthur in Harry potter are cousins as are Draco's parents, then there's the Inquisitor and Dorian as he's related to one of the Inquisitors in the past.

I'm probably in the minority here with being okay with them being cousins and winding up together. So again wouldn't bother me in the slightest if they were related and wound up as a couple.

 

Downton Abby is a good reference to Family Saga, also the Forsythe saga as well, which is actually kind of depressing. Even if Rey is a Skywalker, regarding who she marries her name would change and that child would be a Skywalker-Solo, or a Skywalker -Dameron, or Skywalker-Kyrell (and until someone proves to Me that Finn can't be related to Thane and Ciana, I'm going with that as his parents). Whoever she ends up with that blood line will mix with hers. Sure the line will continue, change, alter as it goes, they may eventually drop the name, but given that it is a serial, it will follow the Skywalkers in one way or another.

Well it depends upon the code, there were jedi dynasties in the past, that focused upon the fact that different family members were all force senstive. You can look at the Shan family, as that went on for a long while too. It all depends on how and why the family exists and what it did with the power it held. You can still have that gray area with two skywalkers. They did it in Dark horse with Cade Skywalker and a distant cousin to him who was his distant cousin through Jania Solo and Jagged Fell.

 

Yeah, I can see the similar between Revan-Bastilla and Kylo-Rey too

 

I thought JJ said he was staying away from the expanded universe stuff....don't know if Rian thinks differently...

 

So there's a catch with with Kylo killing Han, it seems to be heavily implied in the script (and even Adam Driver shows it for a split second) that he did not feel good after the act.

http://www.cinemablend.com/new/Why-Kylo-Ren-Had-Do-What-He-Did-Star-Wars-7-103387.html
"The script gives us some understanding of what, exactly, Kylo Ren was thinking right after he brutally murdered his own father. The screenplay tells us that "Kylo Ren is somehow WEAKENED by this wicked act," and that even though he did it willingly, he’s "horrified" by what he’s done and is in shock over his actions. But, that shock is almost immediately broken when Chewbacca roars in anguish over the loss of his dear friend and shoots him, snapping him out of his stupor of disbelief and pulling him toward the next act of the Dark Side."

I agree he's definitely going to go through a lot of crises of conscience, but it seems that there may be more reasons than just Rey beating him?

 

You know if she has to be a Random, make her a Shan, since Revan doesn't have a name or at least they never gave him a name persay other then Revan and the mind wipe did a number on his memories of who he was in the past. But having her be a Shan would at least link one of the most powerful former Jedi family to the other most powerful form jedi family.

 

The only thing to make this happen for me is to give him a reasonable reason to go to the dark side that he could be redeemed through. For all the **** Darth Revan got he did some of the least Evil things under his Rein as a Darth. All he wanted was to make The Galaxy strong so to fight off the Sith Empire on the Edge of the known galaxy. Also For this to work Our man Ren needs to get a mind wipe back to his non-dark side personality so that when he finally rediscovers his darkside he can harmonize those feelings together and no get dragged down the Darkside Dephts again.

 

Depends really. There are not a lot of characters out there that can be Finn's mom and dad right now due to the old EU being discontinued, although they should be bringing aspects back in slowly. But right now it's mostly Sana Starros or Ciana Ree as choices for his mom. I'm not sure about who the father would be given that we haven't seen very many dark skinned male characters, which is sad. Unless he's related to Zolo one of Poe's team mates.

 

Yeah he was weakened because the lightside resonance within him dimmed considerably from his own actions and the Darkside grew. With him not being fully trained yet he has no way of harnessing the new power he has gained from his action so his left access to less power overall.

He basically leveled up in darkside points and decreased in lightside points but his Darkside points exceeded his current level cap on dark side apprentice so he has no access to his upper limit and his lower limit is much lower because he lost light side points. He needs to class up to Darkside acolyte/Knight/Crusader/etc. to Give him access to his newly obtained power.

 

See for me I do think we have a big galaxy, or at least we did. Off the top of my head in regard to characters not tied to the Skywalker family via blood or marriage.

Kyp Durron, Corran Horn, Wedge Antillis, the rest of the Rogue Squadren, Kyle Katarn, Lando Carlissan, the Djo family line, The Happes Royal court. The EU expanded the hell out of the galaxy and then LFL decided to kill it and stop it from being cannon. The thing about the missteps is that it's connected to the idea of the Hero's journey, characters have to follow that in some way or form, and yes it's a cycle of it, but all stories have that sort of Cycle in one way or another. A character needs to fail in some way to learn and grow as a character. I think you're right on the conscious thing and I hope that we see him visited by Anakin Skywalker and get the sense kicked into him.

We know the programming that the FO is using isn't working all that well because we see Finn, and if Finn can break it well so can Ben. Rey will help, no matter who she is or how she's connected to him, she and he share a very unique bond that will certainly make things more interesting down the line in the future.

 

He could be a Leonis, either Zare or Dhara's son since they would be about the same age as Luke and Leia. Although, they are leaving the Empire as far as I know.

 

I'm sure he's horribly shaken, no matter how strongly he tried to deny it, his father still meant something to him. But the trigger for this act was Snoke encouraging him to take that final step, assuring him that it would greatly empower him, and surprise, it didnt.

I think now that Snoke is going to personally complete his training though, he's going to be swayed back to the Dark side fully. It's going to be a long road back for him, if he eventually takes it.

 

I'm not familiar with the EU Star Wars stories, but they definitely sound interesting! I think a Skywalker/jedi lineage thing would've have been a very cool idea if the movies were a certain way. My only thing is that the movies, which are what most people are familiar with, stress family, but it's a highly simplistic family saga. In the OT, you have Darth Vader and his two kids. Prequels don't even go into family lineages since Anakin was a nobody and the movies don't even talk about Padme's lineage. So you simply have one father-child and one sibling relationship established in the first 6 movies. Contrast that with a show like Game of Thrones, where there's so so many familial relations and it also spans generations. A Star Wars family saga in the vein of Game of Thrones would be very interesting, but since it wasn't established that way, I doubt it will continue with the various generations and relationships made in the EU. Just my take on it.

Also, huge fan of Downton Abbey, lovedd Matthew and Mary!