ST The Romantic Future of Kylo Ren and Rey

Ugh, the preachy tone of your post is just tiresome, to be honest. People here sound pretty self aware to me, but not for the first time, here we have a FinnRey thread representative misconstruing what is said here in order to generate controversy. How original! Since you're full of advice for the thread, allow me to offer a recommendation to you: why not just accept that people think differently from you, come to different conclusions from you, and it doesn't imply self-delusion if they don't agree with your wisdom?

Yah no kidding, he is pretty bad. Nobody is excusing him here. What I've heard here is that Kylo Ren is viewed as a conflicted villain, that he has felt remorse for killing his father and some think he is capable of redemption.

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I wasn't lecturing the whole thread. I responded to one person that didn't seem to have self awareness that Kylo Ren is a messed up dude. And by the way, in responding to that one person, I got a mess of responses lecturing me on the clinical definition of Psychopath. *insert eyeroll here*

As for how you took the line about shipping psychos, I'm honestly sorry. I didn't mean it in a put down way. I'm a blunt person, but I have shipped plenty of weird and twisted pairings in my day... Like, a lot lol. I was even curious about Kylorey before the movie came out because I thought they might appeal to me. I get that we all have different and sometimes silly tastes when it comes to fiction.

 

I think the music selection would have to go through certain levels of approval up in TPTB... But since this is basically just miscellaneous spect to the production, JJ tight mystery box treatment wont be considered that much... And possibly, those incharge with Disney Music got their own say as to which song goes well for the characters, so maybe there is a certain level of fan bias here depending on how the playlist creators perceived the movie.

I bet they have their own shipping wars in the office. Lol

 

Since we were on the topic of music, I thought it'd be neat to bring up how some people are actually sensing similarities between the themes that John Williams wrote for Rey and Kylo. I don't know if it was on this thread, or another thread in the forum, but someone actually showed that notes wise, they're not far from one another. If you hear the main parts of the their themes, there is something there. I'm not a musically inclined person by any means lol, so I thought I was hearing things, but it seems like I'm not alone.

On a forum for lovers of John Williams music, someone posted this: Rey's theme does indeed have a connection to the Force theme, made particularly prominent by the major IV chord cadence.
It is also an inversion of Kylo Ren's theme (and vice versa; a similar sense of "inversion", albeit not literal, exists between the Imperial March and Yoda's theme, and I believe this is a continuing game of musical symbolism for Williams: Exploring opposites through material that upon closer examination proves related)

This is from a new article on the score: http://www.slate.com/blogs/browbeat...wakens_is_packed_with_hidden_information.html

There are exactly two new memorable themes. One is Rey’s sweeping, Slavonic folk dance (which also, admittedly, has some wizard blood running through its veins). The other is Kylo Ren’s goofy, menacing horn call. These are reiterated ceaselessly, conferring neither unambiguous praise nor unambiguous blame upon the corresponding characters, and they are closely related. At a couple key moments—like when Rey refuses Maz’s injunction to accept Luke’s lightsaber and, by extension, his quest—Williams flips Rey’s theme and sours the harmony, resulting in a new theme that sits at the exact midpoint between Rey and Kylo Ren.

I couldn't find the mentioning of notes on the random thread, but I managed to find this, of course on tumblr lol


Again, I'm not a music expert, but this is what the person put under this picture: Kylo Ren’s theme is almost the exact mirror retrograde of Rey’s theme motif. <3

Anybody else see this?

 

I'm not going to argue with you on Kylo/Rey being twisted, lol. A lot of us are here hoping she will fall for the villain instead of the perfectly wholesome guy, after all, for the sake of entertainment. But we should agree to disagree on the "psycho" part. He doesn't meet criteria and you misused the term, which is why a bunch of people called you out on it. But I get that you're conveying he's just the worst or something. Fine, for now.

 

We can speculate as much as we want as this is a discussion thread, is it not? Discussions includes theories and speculations incase you weren't aware of that.
'Ships will have a certain headcanon attached to them that will be generally accepted by supporters, especially if there is evidence to support that headcanon. The Reylo headcanon is the Force Bond, because as evidenced by the movie, script, and novelization, there is a certain bond between them, which can possibly only grow stronger.

You're not one to advice us what not to assume as you, as a fan who knows no more than we do, also have your own assumptions about these characters. Live and let live. Don't tell us we're wrong to assume anything unless you're JJ Abrams with a fake account.

 

lol fine, and I disagree that you can come to any conclusions from those 30 minutes about the clinical diagnosis of psycho. It is very possible that the next movie will confirm that he is a psychopath... In the sense that a two hour movie ever could allow a diagnosis... Which is to say, it couldn't.

But regardless, without question, my description, psychopath/victim, is much, much, much closer to reality than opponents on a battlefield. That was a misused analogy to describe Kylo/Rey in a much more, let's just say absurd, fashion.

 

I you feel better labeling KR as a psychopath, do it! I really don't care but you're not gonna change my mind. I don't need people to tell me how are the characters of a movie or why should I not ship them since I have eyes and thank goodness, I have a functional brain. When I dislike a character, sometimes I've been tempted to give my reasons to that character's fans but then I wonder myself, why? They see exactly what I see and still they support him/her or ship that couple. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion and only when the new trilogy comes to an end, we'll know whether there's redemption, love, loneliness, death... so as I say, ship and let ship! After all this is a movie.

 

I'm not trying to change your mind or tell you who to ship. Of course everyone is entitled to their own opinion, including me. And don't worry - if I want to use the term psycho, I will.

 

This just goes really well with the Two Sides of the Coin theory... Even in music, they literally are mirrored and opposites. I do wonder how much information Williams was privy to... Will he score VIII as well?

 

@rowan_greenlea f
How will Snoke impact Kylo&Rey relationship? In the novel he orders Rey to kill Kylo, I guess he doesn't trust him which is a good thing, Snoke must sense Kylo is weaker or not strong enough as to carry out his orders. Han himself told his son that Snoke would kill him once he was of no use to him and I even would dare to say Snoke can foresee that Rey is gonna really f-uck up Kylo's mind... so he, actually could become another problem for Snoke. Just speculating, but it seems fair to think that if in the novel Snoke asks her to kill KR it's because Snoke senses that Kylo no longer is gonna be useful to the First Order and since he urged Hux to find Kylo to complete his trainning, you can only think Snoke is seriously fearing to lose his pupil.

 

He did an interview with LA Times. Doesn't hint at anything between the characters, but he does analyze only the two of them (not sure if he did that on purpose or he was just questioned that way):

“I fell in love immediately with Daisy Ridley,” Williams said of the actress at the center of the new film. “She is just a superstar born.”
Williams introduces the young, resourceful scavenger with delicate and vulnerable instruments (flute, piano and the pixieish chimes of a celeste), which are juxtaposed against the enormity of her galactic backdrop. The chords in Rey’s theme are purposefully related to Williams’ well-known Force theme. (He interweaves the two during the end credits.)
“It’s an interesting challenge with her,” he said, “because it doesn’t suggest a love theme in any way. It suggests a female adventurer, but with great strength. She’s a fighter, she’s infused with the Force, and it needed to be something that was strong but thoughtful.”
Another new theme is for the film’s baddie, Kylo Ren (Adam Driver), which acknowledges its allegiance to Darth Vader’s theme just as Ren looks up worshipfully to Vader.
“There’s a more ruminative part that is usually done softly,” Williams said. “I don’t think it portrays any particular weakness, but possibly hesitancy. But then there’s the motif that’s often strong, that seems to be the embodiment of evil. I thought that it should be a relative of Darth Vader, but also something entirely different in terms of melody.”
http://www.latimes.com/entertainmen...music-score-john-williams-20151217-story.html

 

well, i mean... if she's got any smarts, she'll wonder how he ended up this way and she'll want to know from luke.

 

Yea just got Spotify for this reason haha, I think it's real, it's an amazing idea, really expands the thought frame

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to be fair. i think the existential crisis has already hit him over the head

 

i would like to know where you get the 'victim' from.do you think of poe as a victim as well?

how do you think forgiveness works?and what makes you so sure you can see inside a character's mind?

 

Wounded puppy? Absolutely not! We see depths to which we see Kylo Ren go, and the horrible acts he commits in
TFA. These crimes are presented in a real, visceral way. I hope in the next two movies we see Ren begin to jouney back to his true self. I hope Rey is a part of that. Finding their relationship and interactins worth speculating about does not equal approval of their choices.

 

in terms of story i think it is necessary that he isn't cuddly or thereabouts.i actually liked that the film doesn't pussyfoot around the issue. in fact due to the laughs the hissy fits were getting, i was worried, he'd just end up ridiculous.

in a way, i was glad he killed han because that took the doubt out of how far he is willing to go.

it makes for great drama, anyway, something is really at stake now. none of the stuff about becoming a force ghost.

 

When I read a mystery, I enjoy it when there is an element of romance in it; same with my scifi. So while I sure don't expect a love story to be the main focus, a good one complements and strengthens the main plot ( like ESB!)

 

anyway, thought you might enjoy this: http://epicstream.com/features/This...-Emo-Kylo-Ren-and-Very-Lonely-Luke-is-Awesome

also, can we talk about dark side dress sense? i think on that alone i'll always be biased. they really understand tailoring.

edit: i can't use the 'link' function anymore. anyone else experience this or is it just my ancient laptop?

 

I've missed so much in this thread that I have trouble catching up

BTW, guys, does anyone have a gif of the bridal carry?

 

I loved your link. Lol eyeliner, I think he does wear it!


I sometimes wonder if people turn evil just so they get access to top stylists. I agree. As to the links, I just post a link like you did, I never tried the link button.



Sunbloom

This picture reminds me of women in old novels, when they fainted.



http://images6.fanpop.com/image/pho...-tumblr-kylo-ren-and-rey-39182860-268-140.gif

 

A bit random but it looks like in recent pics Adam Driver's hair is still kind of long. They will start filming this month so I hope that means Kylo will be shown without a helmet.

 

Why do you think Kylo hits himself in the stomach right before fighting Finn and Rey? Does the novel explain it?

 

So he can use that pain to his benefit. The dark side is all about using pain and emotions to become stronger.