ST The Romantic Future of Kylo Ren and Rey

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Oscar Issac was a huge part of the press junket and he was supposed to be killed 30 minutes into it. Press junkets are just that. Press junkets. They just use the biggest star they can to sell the movie. That is why Ford's involvement in this movie was critical. He is an icon playing his most iconic role (I think he even known more for playing Han then Indy because SW is more well known) one last time. Had Ford not been in it, it would not be doing this time of business so matter how good it was.

His character arc is not complete yes but still doesn't change the fact it Finn will be more sidekick just like he was in this one. And I also think this will be Finn's most screen time. Not saying Finn won't be in it a lot going forward, he will. But even with Han gone there are more important plot points to go deeper with then Finn. Plus don't forget they will be more new characters going forward. Finn will be like Han was in TESB. Important (and like Han I think Finn will get a romantic interest but not Rey) but the focus will be on Rey and her journey along with it becoming more about Kylo which follows TESB arc of Vader.


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Or the emotional conflict which is why this thread exists to begin with.

 

Yeah I get what you're saying, but the truth is the central storyline is the struggle between the light side and the dark side of the force...yes Finn will play a crucial role in the external conflict of the story, but he will have little to do with the spiritual conflict, which is the main story, and that's left to Rey and Kylo...

 

Its not just press junkets, its any and everything that has to do with the movie. How many magazine spreads did Boyega and Daisy do for this movie TOGETHER?

 

Well to me that's not the main interest, I think the light/dark conflict is a big facet of the story, but only a facet. That's like saying Han and Leia in ROTJ were inconsequential. There's more to SW than Jedi and Sith.

 

You mean how Carrie Fisher and Mark Hamill did in ANH?

 

This is one of the most funny videos I've seen in a long time. I couldn't breathe.

 

the conflict of the light/dark, jedi/sith ARE the main conflict of Star Wars!!! Star Wars is NOT Star Wars without the jedi or the sith or the force....everything else is just there for the story or to support or give weight to the conflict.....

 

Media exposure has changed just a teeny tad bit since 30 years ago, I'd wager.

 

Ok, how about I put it like this.. the light/dark conflict is the biggest facet, the 'on the ground' battles are a somewhat smaller facet, and the emotional, human conflict is what holds it all together. If there's no humanity to the story the ST will become just as unrelatable as the prequels.

 

Poe/Finn shipper here as well, saying hi. So you would say it's about the personality for you. So an female Kylo Ren doing the exact same things to a male Rey, you wouldn't have liked because as far as character is concerned, right now you see only Kylo and no Ben Solo (well good Ben solo) in him. Interesting. Reason I was asking the question is that a lot of people say that they would be fine with the reverse, that if the villain was a female they wouldn't see it as bad because female Kylo couldn't be as bad as Male Kylo. Very cool to know you would see it the same even if the gender was flipped. Thanks.

I understand what you're saying, I'm trying to think of a better example to point to that people would get. A number of anime do this, a lot, having a good character pull back a bad character from the darker actions with the idea of love. I suppose one could point to Luna from My little Pony as a sort of the same thing but without the romance. Problem is that, again that falls under the family and friends thing, which would be cool but doesn't quiet provide the right image of the idea of love saving someone from the darkness.

This is very true, I think the point on putting them on that unequal ground is to bring the badguy up to the hero and probably to get the hero to see the bad guy in a new light. Well a few things come to mind in regard to what could be done with him if he chose to come back to the good side. For one thing being as he's the leader of the Knights of Ren he could use them as a possible way to get snoke out into the open. He knows and has secrets in regard to the FO that the resistance could do. He could make up for his actions in regard to his father by helping his mother and doing whatever he could to protect her and the refugees of Alderaan. Not to mention he could work with Luke in that they both are Skywalkers and he could teach Luke what the Dark sider has taught him in regard to their knowledge and what he was able to find there. He could help in re-establishing the order, work in finding people that need to be helped from the FO, and a number of other things. Even going on missions to help out the Resistance. It would be hard, sure.

Example from Kyp Durron, who was a gray Jedi.

In order to atone for his actions, as judged by Luke, he had to face the spirit that had lead him to his actions followed by doing various deeds that were missions that not only forced him to evaluate his actions but also grow remorseful of them. It's a long twisted list of things that he had to do, including looking into a criminal jedi and dealing with the people who's loved ones he took away.

Actually I want to thank you, you pointed me at something I didn't consider with Kylo in regard to where they may have taken some of his story.

True enough that it is supposition and not anything firm as of yet. There is, but a lot of it's based upon, at least for those of us that know the EU, similarities to stories that already existed. For example the Revan and Bastila thing, and in regard to Kyp Durron, the getting taken under by a darksider and his actions. I don't think everyone is thinking that Rey's love is going to fix him. Everything that Ben does needs to come from his choice and for himself. We'd like a Ben who's conflicted to deal with Rey, not Kylo's twisted infatuation with her. Rey's not going to be one that fixes him, she's going to help him find a way to fix himself, much like how Luke and Han helped Kyp when he was dealing with a sith spirit.

One of the things Ben can bring to her is someone that can understand aspects of the force. If Rey is a Skywalker, or even a Shan or another well known jedi, that legacy is not something easy to carry. Ben is someone who knows about that and can help her come to deal with situations where you're going to be expected to solve issues that you fully can't.

You're right, most ships will become fanfic fodder. Where this goes from here on in is up to whatever happens based on what the writers want. We can only speculate.

 

The rumor is that the new actress is going to play Finn's love interest, not just a friend. Here are a couple of links below...

http://www.musictimes.com/articles/...wars-8-movie-rumors-bel-powley-cast-force.htm

http://www.idigitaltimes.com/star-w...e-lead-revealed-john-boyegas-finn-have-471388

 

Well, the ground battles are usually driven by light vs. dark, the empire was controlled by a sith lord and he used it to increase his power and his influence, its the same with the first order, the external conflict is just a cover for what the danger truly is, and that's the spread of the dark side, the external conflict and the ground battles will never be stopped until the core of that organization is destroyed, and at the core is the influence of the dark side....and the journey to this core involves a very human conflict between the dark and the light...so of course things are gonna happen in between, romances, deaths etc...but these are used to drive the main conflict...I'm trying to say the fight between light and dark is already so emotionally charged, that you could do without things like romances as well....

 

people are speculating that it'll be a love interest because Boyega apparently had chemistry reads with multiple actresses. the key words people are drawing on is "chemistry reads". Though, it should be noted that Ridley and Boyega had those same "chemistry reads" together before they were cast.

 

You miss the boat completely. Go back and look at the press blitz that was done in 1977, then compare it to how the trilogy played out.

Btw you been off topic for awhile now so unless you wish to discuss a possible Rey/Kylo romance, I suggest moving to the Finn thread since it's more appropriate.

 

Holy ****! Yeah the Jedi can be real ***** sometimes. Ow that looked worse then with Poe, and they weren't being gentle. Ahsoka actually looked freaked out. I didn't see that episode.

 

Speaking of conflict, I wouldn't mind a scenario where Rey actually turns dark at the end of episode 8 and has to be brought back to the light....she might emerge stronger after walking both paths and then coming back to the light.

On a separate note, Rey's dynamic with Kylo Ren reminds me of the Yin/Yang symbol.....a lot of light (with a little darkness) and a lot of darkness (with a little light).....they seem to play on this concept with lighting in TFA.....


According to the yin-yang concept, One needs both halves for wholeness....there is a little bit of one in the other and they are constantly chasing the other to seek balance...and neither is complete without the other....I like the idea of this including romantic undertones but it can be a spiritual bond also.

 

oh yes...the warm yellow light shinning on Rey and the cold blue shinning on Kylo, and I love the 'Ying and Yang' and 'two sides of the same coin' descriptions of the two!!

 

I only discuss Finn when he's brought up in another post regarding the Rey/Kylo romance. No need to backseat mod.

 

Then it should be drop should it not? Besides Finn being discussed in this thread is about his possible romance with Rey. It's not a both whether he is a central character or not.

Move it along ..move it along. ...

 

I like your way of watching love triangles. I'm the same way on them.

Do all love stories and romances need conflict, no, but do they need to be eventful in fiction, yes. When I say eventful I don't mean like, every day has to be some situation that they have to resolve to save the world, but it needs to be something that will keep the audience watching and wondering what's going to happen next. Some form of difficulty has to happen at some point, or else the characters become less characters and more like cardboard.

For example, you have a really nice married couple that is just ever so perfect. There is no fighting between them, there is no debate. They both love the same thing, they both eat the same food, have the same views, are ever so polite to one another. I don't know if you ever watched Father knows best in re runs but it's kind of like that situation except nothing ever goes wrong. After a while, that would be come very uninteresting to watch because there's nothing there that moves or grows the characters at all. They are stuck in the same place.

On the other end, you have the same married couple, they are happy but they have differences of views. They some times debate about things, they see things differently causing some struggles at points but nothing over the top or overly dramatic. This is normally what people want. The issue with Finn and Rey is that because of how people react to the couple, I would think that, should things come to having views that are different people who are really critical of Rey or Finn will use that against the characters. If they are too perfect with one another they are stuck and not going anywhere.

All the relationships will have this issue but Finn and Rey might have it more due to the fact that they are very much alike in a lot of ways. This would lead people to go, "Oh typical couple, we've seen this before. This is Star Wars not a Rom com!"

 

True enough, they did, and Daisy at first wasn't going to be Rey that was going to be the actress that played Jess Pava , Red Leader (or was she yellow leader, can't remember at the moment). So the dynamic could have been very different.

 

That was in response to an off topic post by you lol. Anyway I bring up Finn as a legitimate plot device in the Rey/Kylo relationship, not as a simple deterrent of it happening. Moving on...

 

There were no overt hints, but the next movie could have who knows. I think episode 7 had all it really needed. The point of this movie was really to introduce who the characters are, where they all stand, what their relationships are. They had to establish Kylo Ren as an unstable villain struggling with the light. I think adding some romantic hints from his end would have taken away from who he is currently. He is curious about Rey, he can't put his finger on what it is that makes her so different, and I think that's enough that we need to know. Rey is also established as the main heroine with her own story. I like how they didn't do anything overt because it would have take away from the personhood of both characters. We have to define them by who they are. Usually with romance stuff though, the lines gets blurred. One will begin to change for the other, there's some shift. That works for later movies if Kylo is confused about who he should be, but not the first movie, because we still need to have that baseline of ok, this is Rey, and this is Kylo Ren.

 

Thank you for sharing. This video is hilarious - made me literally cry. The dumbest (and clumsiest) love story portrayed ever!
(I don't want to be mean, but god, how great it is that Lucas is not directing Star Wars anymore.)

 

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