ST The Romantic Future of Kylo Ren and Rey

I think you have the wrong definition of trolling. People post opposing views but then some people take those opposing views as trying insult people and take down the people who support reylo. Or people even interpret it as you say "fear" of the pairing so they lash out. Sure some people may come in and throw an insult, but most posts are simply opposing views. And the more people post their own opposing views, they start being questioned by some with "why are you even here". They are here because they want to share their viewpoint.

 

That's exactly right vaderito! I mean, I don't see a Kylux thread posted here with 600 pages. Nothing against Kylux shippers (I have my own deep rooted appreciation for them), but honesty do we really think that's going to become canon? There's really not much to discuss there in terms of what may or may not be, other than Kylo covered in cat hair and Millicent pictures.

Reylo has every chance of becoming canon, hence the huge discussion analyzing every angle and then some.

 

Whether you want to believe it or not, it does link back to the PT.
The whole reason behind Reylo is based on the interest Kylo Ren has of Rey.
Snoke his teacher calls him out on feeling compassion for her which means pity and sympathy. He sees someone who is like him, however she is his complete opposite literally. She is the embodiment of the light in a sense, not a factual sense though. Rey is someone that Kylo Ren should not want to feel compassion for, yet he does within a very short time of meeting her, this is why Reylo is around.
Kylo and Hux hate each other's guts, yet they have a ship following, purely based on imagination and people's own fantasies. We have Reylo because all of Kylo Rens actions have created this ship. You can't say he doesn't like this girl or feel nothing for her, if he did his actions would be vengeful and he possibly should have pushed her off that cliff at the end. He practically destroys a computer out of hearing the Droid got away on a freighter, yet he just completely sways every anger in his being when Rey comes into the scene.


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I've just found this sample of Kelly Tran's work. She doesn't strike me as a love interest type of casting. I mean, it would be refreshing to have a girl isn't traditionally looking as a romantic interest but I think we are getting more comedy with this new character:

http://www.ew.com/article/2016/02/15/who-is-kelly-marie-tran-star-wars

 

So....because people are pointing out where they disagree.....that means the relationship is more likely to happen? People waged war on forums over the Zuko/Katara pairing in Avatar the last airbender, points and counterpoints going back and forth because the people liked the characters and had significant disagreements over how each side felt they should be portrayed. However, in the end, the writers admitted they'd always intended for Katara and Aang to be together so.....yeah this particular argument of yours holds no water.

 

My point is, the chance is there - it's undeniable at this point. Am I 100% sure it's going to happen? No, I'm not. However, the subtext was put there by the writers, and we know it's there as an option. So even if you disagree, it doesn't mean the possibility isn't there if thousands like myself are seeing it, even if you yourself don't.

 

You're reentering the same circular argument. In the beginning of the film, Poe's mind holds the "most important information in the galaxy." He's the one with knowledge concerning the map to Luke, yet Kylo Ren still treats him like a common prisoner.

(I cut out Poe's dialogue so this quote wouldn't take up too much room).
KYLO REN The old man gave it to you.
KYLO REN Search him.
The Troopers roughly pull Poe away. A Stormtrooper begins a brutal PAT DOWN. Kylo Ren moves closer.
Poe just glares as the pat down ends.
STORMTROOPER #1 Nothing, sir.
KYLO REN Put him on board.

Following your manor thinking, Finn should have been as interesting to Kylo Ren as Rey. He also "convinced the droid to show [the map to him." BB-8 revealed the map to Finn, Han Solo, Chewbacca and Rey aboard the Falcon. Did Kylo Ren develop an interest in exploring Finn's thoughts? Seems I missed the part in the movie where Kylo Ren offered to show Finn the ways of the force.

The fact of the matter is, over the course of the film, Kylo Ren's obsession with locating Luke is replaced with a strange infatuation with, and fixation on, "the scavenger girl." By the end he doesn't care about the map anymore. The last time we see him he's a scarred, wreck of a man, who, after having been struck down by Rey's blade, looks up at her with awe and fascination. His look is full of masochism. For the first time, his destructive decisions are being faced with consequences. He looks almost grateful that Rey was able to silence him.

 

Trying not to start worryingLaura Dern could be Rey's mom ..or not...could be Kenobi daughter...or not. Just so long as she's a former flame of Luke Skywalker AND Rey's mom!

 

Is she? I don't understand that, she is a flame of Luke Skywalkers mom?

 

The Gift to Mankind that is Ignore Button!

 

But are people interpreting it correctly. Some people see a Bridal carry, others see a monster haul. People's own expectations and experiences can cause them to see something the writer never intended, like with Zuko/Katar, Poe/Finn and more. I've read posts where people used the fact characters were sitting in a particular spot as evidance to support their interpretation of the final relationships....they were wrong but that is what they saw despite the writers intention. It is something to be aware of when we discuss the possibility of this relationship.

Are people seeing things...because they want to see them.

 

Laura Dern being the spouse of BDT or evil herself is interesting.
Being's Luke's spouse and Rey's mom is predictable and boring to me.

 

laura likely won't be any of it. I honestly expect Von Sydow type of small role. They ahve too many characters form TFA that need screen time plus Luke.

 

Honestly ? Kylux can easily be rationnalized : Rivalry evolving into mutual respect / friendship is a very common story. And having that respect somehow evolve into "something more" is plausible.

Spoiler: Warning'

Once you acknowledge that statement, never ever try to rewatch your old anime (especially your old sports anime) : you don't want to ruin your own childhood

On the other hand, the only thing these 600 pages have established is that Kylo seems to have a special fascination for Rey ... which isn't that uncommon, and even necessary implies romance : many Villains have a strange relationship with their respective Heroes. Take these two for examples :


However, i still don't see any reason for Rey to feel the slightiest amount of sympathy for Kylo, let alone love : all he did was to hurt her (sure he hurt her less than other people, but he still hurts her).

Even with a (totally imaginary) Force-Bond, why would she fall for the guy ? She would then realize even more how he had everything she lounged for, and decided to toss all that away out of selfishness.

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And let's not even mention the feelings she may have for someone else...

And that is IF a Force Bound exist at all. But that theory creates more problem than it solves (why would Kylo not feel Rey's presence & strong feelings while on the bridge for example)

 

I doubt it. I doubt people are seeing things because they want to see them. I wasn't a Reylo fan when I joined this site, however when I saw and read what was being written here, not just mindless speculation I had to change my mind. Its ok to be open minded, this ship might never happen, but I looked inwards into how much work goes into movies, especially Star Wars.
I hate ships that have zero substance, I came here and I had only seen the film once and because kids were in the cinema and wouldn't shut up talking and giving my and my SO a hard time I couldn't really grasp what was happening on screen. I came here and said I shall go see it again with an open mind for possibilities and was blown away and I became a Reylo shipper. I'm also a big fan of FinnRey, even though I spend a lot of time here, the FinnRey theory has as much if not more substance than Reylo, but my mind is opened up to Reylo through having an open mind.

 

For me, it's a mix of the visual from the bridal carry and the insanely interesting dynamc between Rey & Kylo in the interrogation scene later. At the very least, these two will be caught up in each other's lives for good or bad (perhaps for better or for worse? ).

And even an adversarial dynamic can be sad and romantic. At the end of Bride of Frankenstein, Karloff (as the Monster) looks upon his newly created "bride" with an amazing mix of adoration, love and happiness. The Bride hisses at his in response. Totally adversarial, comepletely heartbreaking for the Monster and the audience.

 

The fact is nobody would be bothering to attack this thread if there wasn't a big chance of this whole thing becoming canon, and I don't just mean in a "Kylo Ren one-sided obsession" kind of way. They all watched the movie. They saw Rey's reaction to Ren. They saw the mutual fascination between our hero and our villain. They saw it, and it scares them. I'm not a Reylo shipper. If this turns into a love story, cool. If it doesn't, cool. Every single person supporting this thread knows where our story is going because we actually understand writing. We understand what foreshadowing is, what symbolism is, how narratives of this variety generally unfold. Ren and Rey are hugely important to each other's development. Deep down, all the people attacking this thread know that. Fear is leading them to the Dark Side. For all you people who hate Kylo Ren, you sure know how to adopt his worst qualities.

I've never been active in a shipper community, but I've read enough about what has happened in the past to know this. Ships that attack like this generally don't become canon. They attack because deep down, they know it to be true. Ships that attack are the ones who are threatened by potential. We all know how to watch movies here. Guess what has more narrative potential to be further explored? I'll give you a hint. It's not Finn and Rey. The A-Plot and the B-Plot are separate. Rey is the figurehead of the A-Plot. Finn is the figurehead of the B-Plot. Figure it out for yourselves.

 

Poe never actually saw the map. He just had the hardware in his possession. Rey LITERALLY saw the map. Also, Kylo ran into Rey before Finn after they had seen the map.

 

And those viewpoints are welcome by me. When I took debate class, we didn't engage in debates with our friends on an issue. And by treating other views seriously helps me develop my own arguments more effectively

We will know in 2017 who read the signs correctly. I hope it develops in the Reylo/ReyBen direction. We'll see!

 

I don't

Of course Aang and Katara were written as Avatar's endgame couple. Zutara surfaced because people desperately wanted to see a dark romance blossom between two divergent characters. It was always a fantasy. The concept of the tortured fire prince falling in love with the kindhearted water tribe peasant is romantic, but was never actually a canonical possibility in Avatar. The story just wasn't written that way. Zutara fans, specifically the fans who expected Zuko and Katara to become an endgame couple, misconceived the meaning behind Zuko and Katara's relationship. I never saw it as romantic or sexual. Katara became the maternal, sisterly figure that Zuko needed in his life. Having had his own mother ripped away from him at a young age, Zuko needed to form that type of mutually comforting bond. Narratively speaking, the most important connection in Avatar always existed between Zuko and Aang. They developed alongside each other right from the beginning. Rey and Kylo Ren have been positioned to develop exactly the same way

As I said, Zutara emerged out of a fantasy. Is the same think happening with Rey and Kylo Ren? I don't think so, but perhaps. We simply don't have enough information right now to be sure of anything.

 

Well said. Well said I agree 100%.
After all, we aren't going to FinnRey to complain. The connection with them is all there so there is really nothing to complain about. I believe the FinnRey shippers deep down know it's possible too.

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My bad. If she's connected to Luke, higher chance that Rey Skywalker is correct theory.

 

Why didn't Kylo probe Finn anyway, just to be on the safe side, if he wants the map so badly. Take every opportunity you can.

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Obviously I can only speak for myself but...discussing the possibility of a relationship in a relationship thread is not an attack, it's not fear...it's a discussion. People should expect their POV to be challenged in a discussion thread as lively debate is the point. People saw this movie and came to different conclusions about the characters in involved, some conclude that Rey was fascinated by Kylo....others just see it as surprise he looked so normal under that mask. Some people conclude he was being nice to her in the interrogation chair, others see it as a mix of mind games and torture. The thread sparks interest because of the strong feelings people have about the characters involved, not out of fear the relationship could happen.

 

probe him when? while he was swinging a lightsaber at him?