ST The Romantic Future of Kylo Ren and Rey

From Reylo's fans in China. (Many thanks to you guys, I can't spell you guys name because I can't read Chinese very well )



All these pictures are from The Force Awakens art book.













The translation from
http://reylogarbagechute.tumblr.com/post/139720830973/whisperingmoonlight1010-from-reylos-fans-in
Thank you very much!




Heres a translation:
P.S. I’m not entirely good at this so pardon any mistakes/grammar errors.

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At the Starkiller base of many light years, Rey was imprisoned by Kylo Ren.

“Tell me about the driod” Kylo Ren questioned, “He is carrying a section of the nagivation chart, and we have the rest, but we need the last piece.”
Rey does not reply, while trying to free herself from the restrains.

“I know you’ve seen the map,” Kylo continued. “You can’t hide anything from me”

Rey can feel Kylo Ren using the force on her, searching through her mind. She concentrates on the connection between Kylo Ren and her, trying to push him out with all her might.

Suddenly, Rey caught a scene from Kylo Ren’s head, a scene filled with so many different emotions. She felt his anger and pain, mostly of which are fear.

Kylo Ren immediately jolt out from her head, and rushed out of the cell. He wa shocked by Rey’s ability, leaving him baffled.

Rey can still feel the force circulating around her body, she was filled with curiosity to give it another try. Thus, she spoke to the cell guard in a demanding voice, “You will remove the restraints, leave the cell, with the door open.”

Rey could not believe it, the guard removed her restraint, and proceeded to head out of the cell.

“And you will drop the weapon,” Rey added. After the guard left, Rey picked up the blaster, and ran out the cell door.

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Meanwhile, Rey was trying to escape from the stormtroopers chasing after them.
“You go ahead!” Rey shouted at BB-8. “I will stop them.”
Rey managed to take out a few stormtroppers with her blaster. Then, he heard Kylo Ren, through his ignited lightsaber. He has finally found her.
“Tell me, girl,” Kylo Ren said. “Where is the driod that I am looking for?”
Kylo Ren inched closer and closer to Rey with each step, using the force at the same time to search her mind. As he was in her head, he realized, whatever he was looking for was already in there.
“You’ve seen the map! The map–is in your head!”
((The front part of this line was cut, but it goes something like this I think)) He did not need the driod anymore, he caught the girl, and brought her back to the ship.

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Rey knew Kylo Ren could not hold up any longer, she took the chance, and striked at him repeatedly. Suddenly, the earth shook, the Starkiller base the breaking apart. After another wave of earthquake, the ground beside them formed a ravine.

Rey striked again, with each strike, she became more and more driven with fury.

Her lightsaber glazed Kylo Ren’s face, and she also managed to hit his lightsaber’s hilt. Kylo Ren’s lightsaber landed in the snow, and he did not have the strength to pick himself up. He could only lay there, breathless, breathing heavily.

Rey could tell, she have the power to kill him then, and stop his evil intentions.

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However, the lightsaber flew past him, into the hand of Rey.
Kylo stared at her, in disbelief. “It is you!” He breathed.
Rey did not understand what he had meant, but she did not care. She light the lightsaber, and charged at Kylo Ren.
Her blue lightsaber collided with Kylo Ren’s red lightsaber. Rey could feel the force inside her, guiding her in the battle.

“I do not want to kill you,” Kylo Ren said, while dodging a blow from Rey.

“You need a teacher,” Kylo Ren insisted. “I can teach you the way of the force.”
((This was awkwardly translated but I hope y’all manage to get a gist from the picture, some of it was directly translated so it may not be perfect, have a good day ))

 

what i remember from learning about courtly love is that the ladies were sorta worshipped as virgins, right? it was highly ritualised, i can't remember why. and the suitors had to write poems.

i read the nibelungenlied a few years ago, it's the first epic german poem, the first that's written down anyway, it heavily borrows from norse tales, dunno if you know siegfried who was bathed in dragon blood to make him invincible... he dies rather horribly betrayed by hagen in the nibelungenlied...

but there must be a more magical version that wagner borrowed from when he designed the ring cycle. the nibelung is a horrible dwarf who guards the treasure down in the rhine river. and siegfried retrieves that maybe? he was rather prolific and awesome...

anyway, the point being that even if rey disagress and finds him overbearing (and he is!) he *is* queening her. he isn't kneeling (isn't he squatting?) but it's close enough and it can't just have been having to wait forever for her, it's because he wants to wait for her like that.

i wonder if that ties in with his understanding of his status or if that just came natural for kylo ren, i wonder what he has seen her as in his visions... (yes, visions are my headcanon and they are REAL) like has he seen her as his future dom?

yes, princess diana ... sorry *slaps wrist*

yeahhhhh

although, humble he so isn't (and i don't think being a knight precludes being a prince... or vice versa.)

 

There was one little hint, the poster lol

 

It's funny. I'm listening to the audio book and Snoke is telling Kylo Ren that if it wasn't for Vader succumbing to the light the Empire would have prevailed.
Vader instead of killing his son gave into the pull. Gave into love, so GOOD ON YOU VADER!
So basically, what Kylo is trying to finish is something that Snoke wants.
Snoke tells him that because he is both from the light and dark, he could mould him because he's pure etc.
Aaahhh I love this!!
So basically Kylo Ren will fall in love with Rey obviously. Obviously she's the biggest pull he'll have.
SNOKE YOU PLANS ARE RUINED!!! RUINED I SAY!!
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What confused people was the possibility of Rey being related to him. Their positions mirror Han and Leia's position. I thought they would be siblings. I could not imagine another way that they could mirror Han and Leia... Silly me. And for the doubters, I still don't see that poster displaying a cousin angle.

 

To me cousins is lame. Like Cinderella leaving the ball at 11:43pm instead of 12 midnight. No substance. I hate some of my cousins.

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Little_Boots

maybe i'm struggling with rhetorics but that doesn't make him pure at all in my book, that makes him the mixed-baggestest i can imagine

 

Jakku Great example! There are monarchs whose title isn't king/queen or emperor/empress but prince/princess so they rule over a principality, not kingdom or empire. So Ben Solo is a prince and they definitely went with that look when he unmasked. I mean, if that didn't spell a Prince, I don't know what did? Besides, SW never had a Prince before him. There was a Queen (Amidala) and a young slave (Anakin). Later she became a Senator and he became a Jedi Knight. Their offsprings were a Princess by adoption (Leia) who married a Scoundrel/Smuggler (Han) and a Farmer who became a Jedi Knight (Luke). Ben Solo is the first SW male that's a royalty cause, so far, only female characters were royalties. Since Leia kept adopted family name Organa, than Ben is also Organa (like he's a Solo and Skywalker) and therefore a royalty aka Prince.

Good write-up about the Awakening of Finn, Rey and Kylo. More people are noticing this:

http://kylo-rey-all-day-erry-day.tu...8/super-star-wars-meta-the-awakenings-of-finn

Saracene

All of this. I just want to comment about misdirection and say that I cannot see a scenario where Reylo is misdirection considering that JJ did everything in his power to make their scenes a secret. So they are more of a surprising twist in that they didn't turn out to be brother and sister (up to that point, we were all misdirected that Rey was Han and Leia's daughter, with a possibility that Kylo was her brother - Jacen and Jaina fans were lobbying for this) and that there was palatable sexual chemistry that many people picked up on and either embrace it or are appalled by it or try to deny it.

Another thing, it looks like they allow talk about Storm Pilot but are very mum on Reylo and I think that is on purpose. There are some bigger plot implications of the latter that they don't want out in the open. Hence you never have anyone ask Daisy or Adam about the ship, while John and Oscar do some Storm Pilot talk, and John's recent comments actually made one of BBC news. So something's up.

BladenSoul3003 Amazing translation! Thank you so much! The part about CONNECTION...yeah! Also, we all knew he didn't want to kill her but now it;s more explicit. As is that she felt Dark Side rush when she cut his face.

 

I was just blown away by the obvious fact that Kylo Ren didn't get the light removed from him when he killed his father for Snoke.
Vader was saved by his son. While opposite window, Kylo the son kills dad.
Vader felt the pull to the dark for a woman he loved. Kylo Ren "I can show you the ways of the force" not "I can show you the dark side"..... Yea Kylo Ren is being pulled by the light in Rey. Being seduced by it and behaving weak and foolish. Good old Ben.


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which so begs the question what the hell a 'cousin angle' is?

i mean... ??!!

that is the whole divine comedy of cousin vs cousin which lacks ALL the tension. maybe it's just me with a terrible relationship to my extended family, but it literally means nothing to me. so, they are cousins... riiiiight.

is the cousin angle sorta between 90° and 180°? kinda like a 123°?

he's tragic for fighting with his own humanity. i want to give him a cuddle and tell him that it's ok to love others and be loved by them and that it can be scary but also really really good. but oh

i'm generally really puzzled by how snoke wants him because dark and light. i really don't get it. so you saying that triggered me again. how is kylo ren pure? not at all? maybe snoke is delusional and ben came in handy in that he was easily manipulated and really sought a father figure...

 

Honestly the more I think about these paradoxes, the more I think it's brilliant writing. For the first and second acts of the movie, you have hints upon hints that she's Luke's daughter, thrown in your face. Granted though, this is all circumstantial evidence, and not actual proof. The majority are just call backs and parallels to the OT between Rey and Luke. Still, it plants the seeds in your head.

Then comes the third act. We see the interactions between Rey and Kylo Ren. Again, like the first and second acts, there's no actual proof these two are going to end up together and if you look at it on paper, it's highly unlikely. However, the way they interact, from the interrogation to the fight scene gives you the impression these two are NOT related.

It is MEANT to make you question your deductions made in the first two thirds of the movie, and to realize there must be another explanation.

 

I hate some of my cousins. Like literally there is zero family bond when it comes to cousins. How is she ever gonna forgive her cousin who killed her uncle? BS

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Well, I don't think he's humble either.
I think he has a high sense of entitlement, and a super high opinion of himself. (Must come from being the "heir" of Anakin and Darth Vader plus Snoke praising his awesomeness and specialness and etc.)

Still, he's "worshipping" her. Reminds me of his daddy calling Leia your worshipfulness... Anyways, he's putting her above him. I think that's what I was trying to get at with courtly love. True that courtly love doesn't usually include a lot of physical contact. But again, the scene has zero physical contact.

Anyways, back to Kylo full of himself looking up to Rey, that's interesting. Again, I think that's why he's so bothered and intrigued that she's a scavenger.
Why else would her social position bother him, unless he's already fascinated or whatever?
And I totally buy on the theory that he's had previous visions about her, or at least has felt her through the force. The line "it is you" can then mean he's certain that she is the person he was waiting for.

On a related note, "it is you" is similar to when people fall in love. A feeling of recognition, disbelief , that feeling that a person "has found the one"is very common. I'm not claiming Kylo has fallen in love or at least is aware that he has fallen in love, but the feeling is somewhat similar.

And again, that would be another circumstance where an entitled person would be upset for falling for someone with a low status. Now that's the only Mr. Darcy comparison that I think makes sense.

 

Maybe in his visions she wasn't running away from him. That's why he is so blown away by the fact that she wants to kill him. Maybe if he did see her she was in a different dynamic. Kind of like him being masked in her vision and in the real event he's unmasked.
I 100% think he seen her in visions. That can only explain why he says "the girl I've heard so much about" but he hasn't really, he doesn't really have a reason to be intrigued with her at all. Like he's zero reason to stand and waste time looking at her when the Droid is but a few feet away.

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high opinion of himself but zero self-esteem.

i don't see snoke praising him, i see snoke humiliating him ... and not trusting him.

i don't think he's 'in love' either, but he feels a terrific need and she needs to satisfy it maybe? that's why it's upsetting him when she's gone. like, the way i see it, is that his reaction to her is so visceral, he doesn't question it, he just wants this. there are only two instances in the film where i find him competent and/or overwhelming. it's on jakku where he commands the scene totally and it's in the forest with her. and in the forest he seizes her at personal risk and he makes stupid decisions, but all bows to his will. now it could be that he is humbled by the time they duel, other things have happened and he can't hide behind his mask anymore and he's a mess during the duel, but in the forest it HAS TO BE.

that's not love, that's WANT.

offering to teach her isn't love either, it's another want, but it comes from a different place and because she has shown that she will slip from him, he needs to do something different? is this guy a fast learner?

 

I can't get over the teacher line so I'm thinking something. Kylo has one character consistency which is that he always externalizes his most intimate desires and strongest feelings, in that he projects them on other people. So this is how it actually works:

"We have all we need" = "I have all I need"
"He would have disappointed you" = "He disappointed me"
"It's just us now. Han Solo can't save you." = "It's just me now. Han Solo can't save me"
"TRAITOR!"(at Finn) = "TRAITOR!"(at himself)

So I'm thinking. Kylo isn't completely trained and yet he offers to teach Rey. That doesn't compute. So I'm 100% positive that "teacher" line isn't really about teaching the Force but more about "stay with me" like a cry for help so I'm torn between two interpretations:

"You need a teacher. I can show you the ways of the Force." = "I need to teach you the ways of the Force" (cause it's definitely "I", what Kylo most intimately wants)

or

"You need a teacher. I can show you the ways of the Force" = "I need you (as a teacher) to show me the ways of the Force" as in "save me, pull me to the Light" (considering that he should have said Dark Side and not the Force, big Freudian slip here)

There may be other variations but "You" = "I" of that I'm 100% certain given his consistent psychological expression up to that point.

To an extent, this line is about him AND about Rey, so he's empathizing that she feels the same:

"You are so lonely, so afraid to leave" = "I am so lonely, so afraid to leave" (it's both, she and he are lonely and unable to leave)

 

Well, certainly not 0°, parallel, like they are in the poster. Nor 180°. Not even 90°. 123° might be a good guess. Maybe something more aligned, like 17°?

I agree with Little_Boots , that cousins are not close enough to be important, I'd say more like Cinderella having to come home at 11:38...

Rey Skywalker is important mainly so that Luke's fans know that Luke had a love interest (as if he couldn't have had one without children), and to save the Skywalker line. Rey Skywalker does not complicate her relationship with Kylo enough to be worth it.

I really think, after TFA, after having already found a family, why reveal Rey as a Skywalker? What's the payoff? Instead of complicating the plot, it simplifies it.

 

to me, basically, it's a relationship model that he knows, the other would be son to parents, so that's how he can frame it. i don't know if that's too technical.

i know we are talking a lot about unresolved sexual tension but to me, this isn't something that either of these guys can really reflect. it's something for the viewer. we see it, but to them it's not something they really have a handle on - especially mr raw sexual energy here.

 

Yes, I agree he has 0 self esteem.
In the novelization, Snoke praises him, that he's this perfect mix of dark and light. Maybe Snoke both strokes his ego and humiliates him? That would create a dependency.

I kind of agree that Kylo "wants" Rey, but, at the same time, his face when she grabs the lightsaber, when he could have said "it is you", is pure admiration, not want. This fascination, admiration, recognition is very similar to being in love. I don't mean pure love, but the feeling of being in love. (I hate it that the word is the same in English, but there's a difference between loving someone and falling in love, and Kylo's reaction is similar to falling in love, of course, it doesn't necessarily mean he's in love).

 

ha, i agree there are other things at play, i don't think i'll ever be able to express their relationship fully, it's complicated by them being quite so unable to deal with it either - incidentally that's probably why we've written 670+ pages about them

if snoke is praising him and humiliating him, he conditions him. and because snoke is literally the only person in his life, yeah i guess that creates dependency. your actions and thoughts are constantly judged. your opinion of yourself is immaterial because you have this authority figure telling you.

so i don't know how he feels so entitled as well. how d'ya do it, kylo?

 

Can someone comment on this.

In the novel when Rey hears the "sweetheart I'll come back for you line".

It mentions, it's a voice and it's emphasizes it's "that voice". I dunno the audio book makes it sound like it's a voice that she doesn't want to hear or she is afraid of it.
There is no little girl looking at a ship, when she is running around saying "where are you, I'm right here" she is in the snow forest and Kylo Ren pops up.

I dunno, just very odd

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darth_frared "Mr Raw Sexual Energy"

Hell yeah! from "We are not done yet!", where he shows up all sweaty and disheveled and beating his wound and bleeding, all the way to the end, where he's even more sweaty and intense and grunting and wants to be her teacher, it's ridiculously raw sexual energy. Like, seriously, SW never had so much sexuality in previous 6 movies combined as it has in this one.

 

I truly don't believe that Rey evading FO star fighters in the Millennium Falcon with a run away stormtrooper, meeting Han/Chewie, and leaving Jakku for the first time we know to go to Takodana where she had never seen so much green and meeting force sensitive Maz Kanata is Rey's "ordinary world"

Rey's "ordinary world" is waiting in solitude on Jakku for her family to return. Being taken away forcibly by Kylo Ren is not Rey's inciting incident nor does it start her hero journey. Rey's mentor is obviously Han, not Kylo.

 

Yea definitely he wants the booty! I am joking but seriously, even Time magazine picked up on that sexual energy. Can you imagine the director behind the camera telling them "no look intense here, breath and grunt harder" or in the interrogation scene "no look her up and down when she says this"

Hans dead did we even watch the same film?

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I don't find Rey's Indiana Jones exploits as a scavenger to be ordinary either. Luke's farmer life was ordinary, Rey's life of Indiana Jones-ing and piloting ships (though not into outer space) is hardly everywoman's life. That said, what OP meant by extraordinary is from the moment she awakens to the Force. And that part is connected to Kylo and not to characters she meets before him.