ST The Romantic Future of Kylo Ren and Rey

Yeah I looked back at the scene and was like "what grave?"

 

I know, and it's a criticism on the thread.
On the other hand, however, the entire forum has new members, who came to discuss TFA. A spike in registration happened after the movie came out.
So, in a way, everyone who's joined specifically for this thread, joined because they wanted a place to discuss the most intriguing/interesting aspect of TFA. It's normal people, who joined to discuss the movie. People are drawn to this thread because that's what they want to discuss.

 

While I'm still not sure on the dark origin for Rey, I have seen the two first scenes of a Kylo and Rey compared. Kylo steps out of the light of the shuttle and into the darkness. He goes from light to dark when being introduced. Rey is in the darkness of the star destroyer and steps out into the light of the sun. So she goes from dark to light when being introduced.
It's at least an interesting parallel.

 

Like me! Only here for the KyloRey baes
I didn't know this was one of the largest threads, definitely awesome that there is such interest...and it'll only grow.

 

Thanks everybody! I've been really glad to contribute here! It's been quite the experience for my very first involvement in any kind of "shipping war". Debating with others has really helped all of us to come to some amazing conclusions about this film, and has definitely influenced me to write more and more proving why any Ren-haters are setting themselves up to hate this Trilogy.

Basically my message to anybody who says "Reylo is impossible", "Reylo won't in any way happen because morality/Hollywood agenda/little girls", "That's not what I want", "Finn and Rey is so obvious", "You know nothing and are condescending", "Rey is going to kill Kylo Ren": https://49.media.tumblr.com/fc6cdc41e3510c0eee483af0a98ed4a0/tumblr_o2xax7eBjN1v4cqgxo1_500.gif

 

Criticism? Isn't this supposed to be a good thing, like the reason you have stated..

I love the discussions here because it encompasses all kinds of things from anime, literature, movies, morality, etc. It's all productive and I'm finding out some stuff which I haven't tackled before. How cool is that the characters of Kylo and Rey and their dynamic bring out interesting outputs from people.

 

I've registered because of this thread. Before TFA I wasn't a fan, just a member of the general audience who liked the movies, it's the possibility of Reylo that made me start researching everything related to Star Wars, buying merchandise, multiply views in the cinema, well basically do whatever a fan does. From what I've heard so far, I'm not the only one either...It's great though the franchise draws new fans in!

 

I think her origin HAS to be something big. If the studio are monitoring what the fans want then the the popularity of this thread shows it. Rey is probably not a Skywalker/Solo. So what else can we do that is dramatic? If she is a kenobi only the die-hards would know who that is. But the idea she was created for a dark purpose. She will have to struggle with that. The fact that her whole life is created to destroying the jedi would really give her something new. It would be the ultimate defaet for Snoke if the child he created to destroy the jedi ended up becoming one and ushered in a new age of Jedi knights.

 

By the way, that's Daisy Ridley's answer to the question whether her character plays Romance in TFA:

"We shall see."

http://www.people.com/article/star-...ast-talks-romance-on-the-ellen-degeneres-show

 

Ok just to cut out all the in depth analysis and just summarise Ren's scenes with Rey:

1. He hears about a girl and wants to hunt her down
2. He hunts her down and bridal carries her onto a ship
3. He is fascinated with her mind and shows physical atraction towards her in the interrogation scene, also some sort of bond is present bwteeen them
4. He chases her again, fights her with no intent of hurting her and by the end of it looks desperate and infatuated with her and says wants to be her teacher. She seems to calm him, he enrages her, they appear to have a bond again.



There is an obvious use of choker shots here when he stares at her (a choker is a choice of shot which lies between close up and extreme close up). These shots are only used in movies when you are trying to create a memorable and intimate moment and set it apart from the rest of the film. These shots are only used for Rey and Ren and this moment. They are used nowhere else in the entire film, because this one moment is the most important moment in the whole film. Whatever the heck is going on between these two here is very important.

OK I didnt keep that last point simple but it is hard with that scene.

example of a choker shot:

 

Question. At any point did Daisy have to do an audition with Adam? When a movie is casting a romantic couple don't they audition the leads together to see if they have chemistry?

 

"Boyega's rogue stormtrooper Finn, has things other than romance on his mind", according to the actor. Namely, "sweating and panting and running."

Ridley, however, kept the mystery surrounding her character alive, telling DeGeneres vaguely, "We shall see."

 

I think it's classified info. I think I've heard rumours of chemistry reads with Boyega, but nothing with Driver. I think they wanted it to be a surprise. But I bet it was in the beginning. Driver was already cast, Ridley had a bunch of tests, I'm pretty sure there were readings with Driver.

 

I think that her possible dark origin has contributed to the surfacing of the dark energy during the snow fight.. it's awakening just like her force powers.

If Rey gets tempted by the dark side, I can see Kylo coming out of it just in time to pull her out. She's one of the catalysts for disentangling himself from the dark side... in that way they save each other. And joining forces together as Ying-Yang bombers, they can defeat Snoke for good.

But yes, it'll be the ultimate irony if she's a creation of darkness.

 

God im such a buffy nerd, I know exactly where each GIF is from...Beer Bad LOL

Thats a cool interview, to me it suggests Rey Ren because she would openly talk about it if it revolved around Finn, the film kept it no secret.

 

But it was before the movie, so it makes sense for her to make it a mystery. Boyega, otoh, should keep a mystery as well, and I don't see why he would straight up deny it if his character were to live act I of a love story.

 

I just wanted too say and even if people have me on block on here, this Reylo idea was out way before the film was released. If am been honest am not into ships. However, people construe people without reading people correctly and with that some people come across with fully beheld beliefs of individuals which are not true. I just wanted to say I wish I could find and thank the poster who found out my old posts and proved my held ideas came out months before TFA. If people want to arrogantly accuse people of jumping ship, they need to seriously go way back to last April / May. Most significantly last years celebration. That by the way was amazing fun and I can't wait for July this year. Don't judge a book on its cover and take nasty side swipes which are erroneously wrong. I just don't like individuals calling people thick over a film or that they have a dislike of a certin aspect. People argue, yes I agree but I honestly thought that hatchet was buried. People should not hate on others. Been a newbie is hard, we have all been there, we all have to catch up and to all you newbies, there is a gold mine of information right back since 2014. I would advocate MSW, SWNN, Star Wars Post, The Star Wars Underworld, Full of Sith.

Peace - and I at least don't harbinger any bad feelings to anybody who posts on these boards, a hand shake of friendship is held out here xxxx

 

Same. I was glad I found others to discuss the same thing and drool over Kylo.

 

I agree, it's weird. Ridley's statement made perfect sense in the context of the film. Boyega's... not so much. Maybe he meant it as a bit of a hint not to get too invested in a certain something?

 

I think I've read somewhere she had chemistry reads with Boyega and Oscar Isaac but even if she had a chemistry read with Adam,I don't think they would reveal that since it may spoil the Rey not being a Skywalker(t oh,how I wish they did debunk that theory as wel).If she had no chemistry reads with him it would be ind of ironci sicne she had the best chemistry with him in my opinion.

 

I agree these boards have a wealth of info, even if people don't agree on many aspects.
It was I who found your old post. And I found it again:

From September 8th 2015.

 

Hi everyone, I’m a new member but longtime lurker on my mobile since page 60 . Finally I’ve decided to break out the laptop and join the thread properly.

I must say well done on the patient replies to those that don't believe that this could happen, there are so many incredibly articulate people here. Although I studied film at degree level and therefore know quite a bit about film analysis, I have certainly learnt a lot more about film making than I ever thought I would from a forum.

First of all, I have to say that the first time I watched TFA, I knew nothing except the trailers. I purposefully avoided spoilers and forums, and decided to watch the film almost completely blind. I even considered that Luke would be Kylo Ren, that’s how little I knew.

I was a big fan of SW having seen RoTS in the cinema back in 2006 (?) while I was at University and all of the other films in quick succession. I didn’t even consider a romantic plot would appear in TFA, I am not a romance genre fan (I much prefer fantasy as a whole) and I certainly hate such films as 50 Shades and Twilight as mentioned by a few.

The first time I saw TFA I was blown away, but something lingered with me as I left the cinema. I couldn’t put my finger on what it was until I realised, and asked my partner – “did you feel the chemistry between Kylo Ren and Rey?” He looked genuinely puzzled, and couldn’t understand what I was trying to articulate to him. He simply didn’t see it.

As he was the only person I saw the film with, I found myself looking on the internet to see whether anyone else saw (or felt) this. I found this thread at page 60 or so, and realised that lots of other people saw the same thing as me. It’s not just the bridal carry (which all film scholars are aware of – and made my jaw drop the first time), it was the close contact (but no actual contact), the eye contact, the lack of anyone else in their scenes, the lighting, the music, the helmet coming off, “you need a teacher!”, the fact that he doesn’t want to harm her, the fissure between them, the lingering looks. I’m sure I’ve missed some stuff out here.

I’ve since seen the film two more times, and the third time I started to lose faith in myself and wonder whether I was seeing what I wanted to see, whether I just found Adam Driver attractive and that Rey should find him attractive too. But I know that can’t be it, because I didn’t necessarily find him that attractive the first time – it was the goddamn chemistry between the characters that really shouldn’t be there if they are not destined to be together. Every single goddamn scene they have together. It must mean something, everything in cinema of this level means something.

This thread has literally been the main thing that has kept me going on the Reylo train and I will continue until it turns out that Rey is Luke’s daughter, which just does not make sense anyway so I bloody hope not.

(I must say that Adam Driver is gorgeous by the way and I was not even aware of him before any of this)

 

Maybe they'll show us the hidden footage of her chemistry reading with Adam after the release of ST... kind of like the material that surfaces in documentaries, the secrets of the ST making..

 

Yeah, that makes sense as well. If his character is only going to live a friendship, why raise false expectations? I'd answer the same way he did. (Sorry, FinnReys, but that interview does not play well for a romance between Finn and Rey, they're still awesome friends, though)

Still, Oscar Isaac steals the scene in that interview, claiming he was playing romance. And he was!!!

 

I am not familiar with any of the characters or happenings related to the Expanded Universe, so i cannot really voice much thought about it.
I never ventured into that aspect of the Star Wars Universe...as they don't have any jobs there for Radar Technicians.
I have however heard the name 'Jacen Solo' in recent conversations here, because of the similarities some fans have said are between this character and Kylo Ren / Ben Solo in 'The Force Awakens'.
I'm not familiar with Luke's relationships in the EU either...so to me, Luke never had a girlfriend / wife / lover so that equation is out of the picture on my end.
As Disney has dismissed the EU in relation to the new film Series, i am not even going to consider it at this point although anything is indeed possible.
There are always new characters coming into the Saga, after all.


Having said that, it is possible that Ben's betrayal towards Luke runs deeper then just destroying the recreated Jedi Academy.
In my own opinion, considering what Luke has already been through and experienced in the Original Tilogy with his own personal conflicts with his own father, i would say Ben turning against him would likely be a crushing blow in itself.
I mean, here Luke is trying to start up a new Jedi order and pass on his teachings...and then the son of his own sister takes those teachings, is seduced by the Dark Side, and decides to lash out and destroy all that Luke had worked towards.
Surely it must remind Luke of his own father Anakin / Vader and his story.

The interesting thing is, why has Luke apparently 'given up' on Ben when he never 'gave up' on Vader...?
Why does Luke not sense the Light and conflict still within Ben as he did with his own Father, Anakin..?
A question i would like to see answered in some form..
I can understand Luke feeling closer to his own father Anakin / Vader....but Ben is his sisters' son.
Should that not also resonate within him to want to help Ben find the path back to her and the Light?
It does not seem like the Jedi thing to do ...turning your back on a lost soul that you can sense still has some 'good in him'...as even Leia has stated.
Perhaps, as you said, the betrayal runs far deeper.

I keep going back to Han's version of the story we hear him tell in 'The Force Awakens'.....when telling the tale to Rey and Finn.
Han pretty much tells the short version...and although we don't have official confirmation that it was indeed Ben who did the deed, it is heavily implied.
There is of course the thought that perhaps Snoke was the 'apprentice who turned against him'....another thought to consider.

Oh .....the joy of contemplation !