ST The Romantic Future of Kylo Ren and Rey

Wow "there is no need to bring it up". OB1 is a bro!

 

Yes he is the most Brosome Bro of all the Bros...don´t mess with OB1

You can´t argue it is not possible But in the end off the day, pretty much everything here is speculation...we have to wait...If I´m wrong you are free to gloat I have no broblem with admitting I´m wrong .....if I am wrong...that doesn´t happen much, but it is possible

 

Adding to my own post: It seems to me that the audience tends to see Rey as some kind of a "prize". Either she needs to be paired romantically with a nice guy who most "deserves" her, or she needs to be the daughter of someone who most "deserves" such an awesome daughter - or preferably both. It's not about her unique story at all; it's about who deserves her.

I'm not referring to anyone in this thread, I hasten to add. And to tell the truth I love to read all kinds of speculation, whether it's pro-Kenobi, pro-Skywalker or pro anything. But in a general sense I've noticed that people seem to conflate the idea of a satisfying outcome with nostalgic callbacks instead of satisfying storytelling in the present.

Take the Mara Jade thing as an example. I understand that people love her; she's awesome. But would it really be satisfying in this current canon to know that Mara Jade once existed and is now dead? We wouldn't get to meet Mara Jade, except maybe in a quick flashback. We wouldn't get the dynamic between her and Luke. We wouldn't get to see her kick ass. The fans of Mara Jade would only get the meagre satisfaction of knowing that Mara Jade has once existed. How is that satisfying storytelling?

(IMO it would actually be more satisfying if Luke has yet to meet his Mara Jade...)

 

And there is no duty other than being a Jedi? No duty to do his part to save the galaxy from a brotalitarian regime?

Or, I dunno... maybe the fact that during her force vision, Brobi-Wan was the only one that spoke to her directly, even calling her by her name. To achieve this scene, they called in Ewan for voice work and digitally edited some of Alec's old dialogue.

 

We shall see, then Wanna bet? Thorin Oakenshield we could make it more interesting?

Edit:

I have no fear for the writers, they already killed of Han, for Christ sake


And please edit your post...it hurts my eyes...now it looks like I said this:
It is not impossible. In that you are right. But if it does happen it would change the character of OB1 retcon the jedi code. The directors/writers are better than that. They should come up with an origin for Rey that does not step over something stated in the PT

 

We are going to find out whether Obiwan had any relationship in SW canon through either the SW comics (the Journal of Ben Kenobi that Luke is reading) or the Annakin and Obiwan comics. If they announce an Obiwan movie/trilogy I will be 100% there is at least one LI, if not children...right now I see it as a wish...once announcements and comics are available, I will be certain.

 

Come on. There is more evidence than that. However, I am a firm believer in living and let live, let those believe what they want no matter what, I don't believe in wasting energy in trying to disabuse people of their opinions. Flat earthers are fine with me!

 

Exactly. Leia for sure hasn't given up on him... according to the junior novel, she views herself as persistent even when Han died.

She'll probably get tempted by the dark side. It actually reminds me of Bastila who went dark for a while. But she'll overcome it, with Kylo's help. Most likely.

 

More evidence:
- the director of episode 9 said Rey's background would be deeply satisfying. We know she's not a Solo, because Daisy nixed that. Being Luke's daughter wouldn't be satisfying, because it paints beloved Luke as a terrible father for leaving her on Jakku. So what's left? The second-most important family in the saga: Kenobi. And everyone loves Brobi-Wan
- Daisy said that Rey's solitary situation on Jakku is a clue to who she is. Initially, some thought solitary = Solo, but she's not a Solo. Well then, who do we know that was in solitude? Broda and Brobi-Wan. Now, unless genetics work weird in the gffa, I doubt she's related to Broda. So that leaves Brobi-Wan, who, like Rey, was in solitude on a desert planet.

 

It's surprising to see how much average viewers miss when they see movies, and in many cases they are people who go to the cinema very often and can't be considered ignorant or lazy. I have often wondered why. It happens with books as well and to a bigger extent, usually. This is very strange for those of us who think we have seen something because it makes us wonder all too often if we are reading too much into a scene or if we are projecting our own wishes, experiences or tastes where nothing of the sort was implied. Thanks to the internet we can at least find the assurance and comfort of knowing we are not alone and if so many other people have seen the same, it must have been implied, and put into our minds for some reason. When we analyse why we saw something, why we felt something, why a certain message was delivered to us whereas many other viewers didn't get it, at least we can talk about it, we can help each other understand why the message flew over the heads of many but hit home for an important number of people too,people like us.

There must be reasons why certain messages reach different groups of viewers. For instance, Reylo. Why did so many women get it (and many of us loved it) while so many men hated it or missed the implications completeley? After all, men and women flirt, have flings or fall in love with each other every day, in all parts of the world. How do we manage to do that if our messages don't come across to the opposite-sex individual we are interested in, I wonder?

I know it's true some guys don't even see it but perhaps others don't like it and choose to ignore the hints, perhaps because of how well Finn and Rey get along. I think they are cute together but ,as my huband says, as buddies, as good friends. Neither of us saw anything else because, for the moment, there was nothing that indicated she was attracted to him in that way. As for him, I think he liked her but he never looked as fascinated by her as Kylo.

With Kylo, it was like a tale, as if he had been struck by a spell or something, or by an arrow, LOL. His face when he looks at her speaks volumes. Either it was love at first sight of epic proportions for him or he had seen her in a Force vision, like she saw him. It was something magical, not normal, Force induced, a fairy tale-like reaction from "the prince", "the monster", or whatever he is.

In fact he is both because he is like prince Adam in Beauty and the Beast, a prince under "a spell", call it Dark Dide, Snoke's influence, his own evil nature, persona, or crazy delusions. After all, the Beast was turned into a monster/beast because of his bad actions. I can see loads or signs of parallelism between Kylo and the Beast, and I've just noticed another one, the Beast was an entitled pampered prince , he was haughty and also cruel, so cruel that he rejected the rose(his chance to change) the witch/fairy disguised as an old lady offered him, and sent her out, to the stormy night.

He was like Kylo when his father offered him a chance and asked him to come home. Kylo, like the Beast, rejected the rose, rejected what his father was offering (his own chance as redemption, love, both?) on that catwalk and then he became the real monster. Before that he was a creature in a mask, but the next time Rey sees him she no longer calls him a creature, she calls him a monster.

Now he is like the Beast, but there's still a chance,signalled by his father's tender caress. He will be trapped in the next movie, in Snoke's grasp, trapped like the Beast in his castle. The Beast wasn't exactly saved by Belle in the Disney movie or the tale, he had to struggle to be worthy to be considered human again and therefore also worthy of love. Like him, Kylo must earn his chance at redemption and it will be costly (the Beast became selfless and set Belle free letting go his last chance for her sake, 'dying' in the process) and very painful but I guess Rey can be the one to help him set off on his atonement and redemption journey. Han's loving farewell offered him a last chance, like the one the witch gave the Beast), so if they follow this path, there will be a girl (Rey) he must learn to love and perhaps may love him in return. There are so many similarities between Kylo and the Beast, that it isn't so crazy to expect a similar evolution.

By the way, when he was looking at her while she slept (creepy Kylo, really), that scene was similar to Sleeping Beauty, LOL, wasn't it? At least the way the monster/prince falls for girl he doesn't know and looks at her while she sleeps.

For the rest of the similarities with Beauty and the Beast, see the link below :
http://eyesofmist.tumblr.com/post/138025995039/kyloxreytfa-eyesofmist-kyloxreytfa

 

Interesting! Anyone possibly have the passage ?

 

If there's going to be an Obi-Wan trilogy, there might be a chance... but what if he did have a child through adoption? One who turns out to be a force sensitive.

 

This is so amazing. I agree with all of it. Thanks for posting it civilsecret!

Kylo will definitely be redeemed. It's always nice to see concise metas/discussions on the topic.

Edit: This ties into my thoughts that Kylo may very well "(appear to) go darker" in the next movie, or part of it at least, but he won't stay there...

 

Those who knew Leia considered her to be someone who had suffered much yet had always emerged from that suffering stronger and wiser. But immersed in her present grief, Leia found no strength. She found no wisdom. She found only anguish and emptiness. She'd failed to prevent her son from succumbing to the darkness of Darth Vader. Now her husband was dead. Her brother lost.

Would it ever end?

She doubted it would. But if she surrendered, who else would disappear? How many more homes and husbands and sons and brothers would vanish like hers?

Leia did not view herself as strong or wise. She was, if anything, persistent.

Steeled by that persistence, she strode out of her quarters and onto the tarmac to greet those who had returned from enemy territory.

Yeah Leia's definitely not giving up any time soon.

 

I don't think she is a prize, I think she is the Heroine of this trilogy, but I do think she should have a past or ancestors that she can be proud of, for her sake. Some one to identify with. I don't think this idea of hyperindividualism, lends itself to a family story that is a Saga. I am a BIG soap fan i.e American soaps like General Hospital, Guiding Light, and the Young and the Restless. The BEST characters are LEGACY characters because of their implication to the existing storyline and main characters. Very few characters that are introduced in soap operas are one offs or individuals no body stand alones. It takes a special actor and writing to pull that off. The two one offs that stand out to me, are Luke General Hospital and Victor Newman Young and the Restless, but they are by no means a personal fav of mine.

 

I completely agree...he could also be figuring out what to do...and Rey's arrival indicated that the time had come to make a decision, hence the grim expression.

I'm also a little intrigued by how much they focus on Luke's hand....did something happen to the cybernetic hand from the OT....I'm hoping they bring in the EU concept of mechu-deru, a dark force ability to control mechanical objects....maybe Snoke/the FO infected Luke's hand and he got a new one (it also explains why R2D2 shut down when Luke's hand touches it)? Also, Luke's cloak changes from a darker one in the Force Vision to a lighter one on Ach-to.....clothes are always used as a hint in SW)

I'll just clarify one thing....I'm not saying Luke killed the students...I just feel Snoke infiltrated Luke's jedi order beyond just influencing Ben Solo...there is more than meets the eye.

Old burnt looking hand (darker cloak)

newer hand (lighter cloak)

 

She's go too much Padme in her.
Destined for brovernment.

 

It's interesting how it shows her more as a victim of just this overall dark energy that's been pervading her life. She doesn't lash out at her son. She really deserves a reversal of fortune!! That will only happen when her son comes back!

 

Oh I'm intrigued with Mechu-Deru! I'm not very familiar with EU so seeing how it works will be interesting... maybe Luke is a little greyer than we thought? His robes seem to hint it.

Yeah, it seems there's a lot of going on between Luke and Snoke besides him corrupting Ben Solo... wonder if he didn't just have the students killed but what if he also made Luke incapable of teaching again? Something to do with his force powers weakened or worse, corrupted?

ETA: If Luke's not in any good state to teach anyone, that leaves Kylo as the only option for Rey...

 

you need to tag me, dude, otherwise you don't summon me to the post

i think for reasons of economy it'd be a lot easier if she was a randomer. a lot less cumbersome back story and having to fold that into a plot.

 

MoonFyre

Dunno...not imposible..but you know how I am keen on bloodlines ....and Kenobi-Skywalker would be awesome, imo

The only case I see against the Rey Kenobi is that it would kinda shrunken the galaxy a bit. ..but I can live with that

 

hey guys i need confirmation in this. for those who have read novel of force awaken of any version or any book about rey and force awaken related (maybe rey survival guide). Is it rey dropped off in jakku or actually been live there all her life but she get abandoned by her family? because in the flashback scene we just see the ship just take off not settle down first then take off . what if the ship actually been there all along

if she been live there all her life i think the chance she is luke daughter is pretty slim and there a higher chance that she is from family that have connection with the empire because from what i read in star wars wikia jakku is the last hidding place of the empire or something like that

and one more thing. Is the flashback scene of rey see herself in child yelling "come back" are in novelization or not ?

 

Why Reylo is the Key to Rey's Parentage

Rey is the main protagonist, and Kylo is the main antagonist. Their relationship decides the dynamics of the movies. Therefore, how they are related to each other is the key to finding out who Rey is, not how she relates to Luke (currently only a McGuffin but set to become a mentor, again, not a main protagonist or main antagonist) or another character.

So from that POV, which is the only narratively viable POV - that protagonist and antagonist determine the dynamics - there are 2 options:

Protagonist and Antagonist are (familiarly) related (see Luke and Vader as Son and Father)

Protagonist and Antagonist are not related (since they are a young woman and a young man their dynamics in that case is Venus and Mars)

You will find the answer if you watch the movie. And by watching the movie I mean don't watch for callbacks to clue you in because they are just that, callbacks. They don't mean anything in the large scheme of things because only protagonist/antagonist dynamics determines Rey's parentage aka whether she is related to Kylo or not.

Lets take a closer look at both options:

Protagonist and Antagonist are Related aka Good Skywalker vs Bad Skywalker

Since strong brother/sister relation is officially debunked by the movie, Daisy Ridley and Pablo Hidalgo, the only other familial relationship left is that of cousins, which is arguably much weaker than brother/sister, especially since the characters in question just met. Does Cousin vs Cousin carry the same emotional weight as Son vs Father or Sister vs Brother? No. Therefore, this option is not viable from narrative POV. If they wanted emotionally weighty familial relationship between young protagonist and young antagonist, they would make them sister and brother and Rey's parentage wouldn't be a mystery. The characters would have a bond that got severed when the brother turned and killed their father.

However, in a franchise world, narrative isn't the only thing that drives the story. More often than not, it's long term commercial prospect. Therefore, Rey and Kylo would be cousins only if the studio wanted Solo's and Skywalker's by last name in future movies and therefore needed a Solo (who's also Skywalker by blood) progenitor and a Skywalker progenitor who would keep the name (example, Rey marries Finn who has no name and thus their children carry Skywalker name...how feminist, progressive, etc!) . That's the only reason why this option would happen. It makes no sense narratively but it makes tons of sense commercially especially for franchising.

Protagonist and Antagonist are NOT Related aka Venus and Mars/Beauty and the Beast

This option is of interest to everyone who theorizes that Rey isn't a Skywalker aka Luke's daughter. However, who Rey's exact progenitor is (Kenobi, Palpatine, Binks, etc) is irrelevant for her dynamics with Kylo. What defines their dynamics in this case isn't who she is by name but the fact that protagonist and antagonist are young, unrelated woman and man - gender dynamics, gender role or reversal on gender roles. Venus and Mars. This is a different kind of protagonist/antagonist relationship from what SW had before. For details on how they work refer to

http://frolickingfizzgig.tumblr.com/

Basically, if this is what they are going for, than whether Rey is related to OT character who isn't a Skywalker or is random girl is just cosmetics. The gist is that we get gender dynamics with lightsabers. And that would be something completely new to this cinematic (though not EU) universe and narratively viable.