ST The Sanctuary - (Dissenters Unite! - Warning on page 232)

Totally agree, it was one of the worst moments of bad humor to me in the whole movie. It's this super intense moment of Jedi training, and suddenly, it's just comedic to remind us that Rey and the locals don't get along, it did not work at all!!!

 

This matter of ground level exposition and rules of thumb for how military force is built up and projected is incompetently handled. The divinity of the auteur's Word doesn't substitute for the bread I need. TLJ is kind of like SKB.

 

The one bit of Ach-To comedy I liked was Luke trolling Rey, brushing her hand when she was trying to reach out to the Force. I believed that. Rey has this pop-culture awareness of the Force, lifting rocks and the like ("every word of what you just said was wrong" is a great line) and Luke needs to get her to unlearn what she's learned.

 

I think my fav. part of Ach-To comedy even though it wasn't real comedy just satire that was funny, was when Luke chided Rey for going right to the dark.

 

The Merch is an interesting angle. I expect lots of porg and maybe the other creatures to be sold but I think this film hurt phasma as a merch lynchpin. Many will flock to new Luke merch but long time fans are split and may rebel.

Besides that there isn’t a lot to go on here in terms of newness. As an action figure collector I am mostly skipping TLJ items since most of the key characters were in TFA.


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God I hate porgs!!! So useless to the movie, but hey, they'll sell toys to kids bc...so pretty

 

Would have loved that scene even more if it actually preceded real training. Make her lift some d*** boulders so she didn't look so ridiculous at the end not even breaking a sweat lifting hundreds of them, have her carry water up the steps like in Kill Bill, SOMETHING. Anything to lend her skills credibility.

Instead what we get is a third 'lesson' in the form of a deleted scene where Luke basically and cruelly sends Rey 'snipe hunting', to a catastrophe that isn't even happening. Yay... not.
(google snipe hunting if you don't get the reference)

 

That part was so frustrating! Where the hell did the movie go with that concept? I was ready to buy into that (even though, by that point in the movie, I had reached "I've got a bad feeling about this" in the back of my mind). There is something uniquely dark about Rey's connection to the Force, compared to everyone else, even Kylo Ren. This is a great idea: someone who's very aptitude with the Force is through the Dark Side, even if they don't realize it, even if they don't want it. Something, anything with that. How does Rey cope with this, how does Luke cope with that? How does she redeem herself, how does she break through to the Light, when she doesn't even want anything to do with the Dark, but its part of her very nature? To use a religious analogy, imagine how hard it would be to go to confession, but you don't have any sins to confess. There are so many directions this movie could have gone with this idea...

Instead, the movie just trundles along, forgetting that plot point entirely. WTH, movie?

Agreed regarding her training. That said, I do like what we've read about that third lesson. Even if only because the movie told us we were getting three lessons. But the idea that Luke has embraced the worst parts of the inherent passivity of the Jedi, and Rey's desire to do the right thing jostles him out of his navel gazing... I can buy that. Him trolling her (again) doesn't quite sound right, but the idea, as a whole, works for me.

 

It's the insanity that was this movie cause you're exactly right. What I said was funny in the moment, but then never followed up on so looking back it is frustrating!! And that would have been a great concept!!!

 

I have no plans to buy 'cutesy' toys, but the porgs were one element I had no problem with compared to the three big issues. After living through seeing Jar Jar and Anakin in TPM, and Boba Fett as a derpy kid in AOTC, Porgs are pretty mild irritation for me.

 

Yeah the porgs don't bother me. I don't like them but I don't dislike them either. At least our characters interacted with them. I was insanely more bothered by the space nuns on Ahch Tu. They looked bad, they were pointless and criminally undeveloped. I kept waiting for Luke to interact with them having lived with them for so long. He should have had some intimacy with them, some comfort, some acceptance, some discussion. Really they were just there to try and hide the fact that we were looking at famous ruins on an island off the coast of the UK. And then Rey almost killed one. Hilarious!

 

They had another problem: they were dressing very human clothes.
In the Casino I was also annoyed for a similar reason: you find yourself in another galaxy, but still refined aliens drink from crystal goblets.

 

Agreed. And instead of that hand-off scene in TLJ, perhaps show Luke in the beginning stages of training Rey. Then, at some point, Luke goes into his hut and looks at the saber, which he had left there after Rey gave it to him. He hasn't yet used it to train Rey. Luke looks at it hesitantly and thoughtfully, then picks it up. Luke's expression at the end of TFA reflects his past with the saber and all that it meant to him. Just leave it at that, then in TLJ, let the audience wonder where it is.

 

Exactly. And I would have been FINE with a grouchy Luke in that scene. Maybe Force pulling the saber out of her hand, walking off, or as you said, her following him to the hut and him taking it then, angrily, saying "You have no right to this weapon." (Implying she is an untrained stranger)

And I think what you said about the end of TFA was exactly what JJ hoped to convey to whomever wrote the next chapter.

I swear I'm reaching a point discussing this movie where the only thing I'm happy with about The Last Jedi is the title.

 

Thats just it, i tried to use reasonable responses and point out other viewpoints but its always taken as, bashing, argumentative, im an idiot, or pushing buttons...none of which are true. Im trying to understands peoples reasoning in this thread...im sorry to say i cant and im usually a very diplomatic debatable person but this has been an exasperating experience.
So i give up, because i cannot reason or effect any change when minds are already made up and in my own take on it im sure its more age versus age than anything else. Its MY opinion that people who have children and are older understand this film and a lot of younger people appear to be against it...but i have no empirical data to back up the age demographics on this thread.
So im basically backing out and just simply realizing it was a mistake to try..but i did try. This is new territory for me to actually meet star wars fans that actually hate a star wars film, thats just not going to happen for me.
An analogy would be to say Indiana Jones last movie sucked because of a refrigerator and a monkey swinging scene....or that TPM sucks because of Jar Jar - i disagree with that sentiment and approach to a film. There is also no such thing as a perfect film. There is no such thing as a perfect star wars film. im just happy to hear a lightsaber and some lore and make the galaxy a little more filled in.

For those who think i was pushing buttons or being dismissive, that would be factually incorrect. I just cant get into the mindset or agree or understand why/what/how fans feel this way which implies im trying to make an effort to understand. The fact is I love this movie and im not much of a complainer type i guess. I apologize if i came across as such. The reason i created that list what you love thread was not an answer to this thread, but to seek out others who felt the same as i did and doing so revealed i am not alone. No different than everyone who supports the "bad movie" argument in this thread agrees in that regard. We are exactly the same but on different sides of the fence here. So here we are....This divide is not star warsy to me at all.

Otherwise, happy new year and be good humans.

 

Now I'm thinking if they just created this Casino because maybe it will be in the Star Wars park (like in Canto Bight, this park/hotel will be just to rich people)

 

That would explain why it didn’t look nearly as flashy or over-the-top as one might have expected...

 

I think that sums up how you're coming across as pushing buttons and being dismissive. You're stating that it is factually incorrect that you were doing that. It may be incorrect that it was your intention to do so, you may see your posts as not doing that, but the way you came across was as someone who is pushing buttons and being dismissive. In saying that it is fact that you were not doing so, you are doing so.

What I would recommend, if you do have any interest in understanding the other side, is look at the stronger arguments we've made against the film. Not the 'this scene didn't work for me' or 'I hate porgs' or 'this is a plot hole' arguments. There are complaints about the overarching plot, the themes, the pacing, the characterization, the fundamentals of the movie. I've focused my complaints on those aspects (while also having those other objections), so I realize I'm being super biased in saying that they're the strongest.

 

IMO, it was another way to bring diverse aliens together in a way that was both different more upscale than the well-worn bar or cantina setting. A fine idea. They didn't do much with it, but it was a fine idea.

 

Hmmm, certainly sparked a curiosity as to what I didn't get to see when something gets removed. Hope it was respectful as it "Alerted" as a reply to one of my post.

 

Uh, aliens in SW wear humanoid clothing. Ugnaughts wear overalls, Weequay wears battle armor, Pig guards wear Orc-ish battle armor, etc. It happens.

Did you really expect a SW movie to showcase naked aliens?

Please say again....I don't understand what you are saying.

I fully expected a "boing!" noise when Luke flipped his lightsaber over his shoulder and down onto the rocks below. Would have been great if it bounced back up and smacked him in the head. It would have fit some of the really odd humor in the film.

 

oops.

 

triple post! oops!

 

Why not? Jabba was naked after all

My problem is that they were precisely those clothes that people doing that job used to wear in the past.
Mos Eisley Cantina was somehow unique in his kind. The Casino, IMO, looked too much like a normal Casino, if we exclude the aliens and few other particulars.

 

Well Canto Blight didn't work because the environment was odd. It looked like a James Bond Casino Royale set. They even had the guy in the white tux! Perhaps you are talking about the aliens in tuxedos? I agree that was a bit off.