The scars on Vader's head

The way it was always told around our childhood campfires was that Vader was pushed into the "lava" (actually we always thought it was molten metal but same/difference)
The way we always told it was very similar to what almost happened to Padme.
Also, I've heard it rumored lately that Anakin DOES die and Palps brings him back to life. With the suit and the Sith lightening.

 

Remember in ep2 that he said if he could more powerful he could of save his mom and stop and think he's fixes things naturally. so if he's does fall into lava then he will figure a way to save himself thus the creation of the his darth vader suit. Or unless the senator palpitine offers to help him rebuild himself, and he know since now he weak(since he could probbaly sense it). And if it true that obi-wan stop him from taking the test. Then he feel betrayed and what about padame?. These could be major factors that turn him to the darkside.

 

Ickus, you may have a point there. I think Anakin's line about learning to stop people from dying had to be foreshadowing of some sort, and who better to save from death than himself?

 

hum interesting thoughts. though i still believe in the lava theory. intense heat can totally destroy someons lungs especially if they are stuck in in close quarters with it.

I think the reasons why ani has scars on his head in ROTJ is because of his helmet. It looks like it is more then just scarring-either that or someones scar didn't heal after what 30 years or so. It may be part of an electronic component that is connected to his helmet.

anyways-I think that anakins back could be broken and he stuck in with the lava-maybe part of the rock ceiling in a volcano falls in and he can't get out due to his injuries. while he uses the foirce-good or bad to try to start healing the emp finds him and so on.

All I now is I can't wait to find out and I hope that lucas stays with the idea of the duel in a volcano.

 

my 2 cents...

Scars - could be from anything. Jedi purge battles after becoming Vader, Obi-Wan duel, etc...

Pale Skin - Most everyone thinks it is from wearing the mask for 20 some odd years which is probably true. However, Palpy doesn't wear a suit, and he's as white as Vader. Maybe a side affect of using the darkside... hmm...

 

ould be-but some of it had to be being side that mask for so long.

i had heard somewhere once where the dark side made a person age faster. is this true?

I wonder how much damage will be done to anakin-it will be interesting to see.

 

I read somewhere in some sourcebook that the Emporer dies of disease and needs a new body, which is a clone. Maybe his powers would be weakened in this 'new body' and he needed some DNA/skin/dark powers to make it- and he chose Anakin Skywalker. Anakin would have already been in critcal condition, so they stole some of his blood, which would have been fresh from his fall into the lava/molten metal.

A STUPID IDEA BUT YOU NEVER KNOW!

 

So much time is spent arguing about the Anakin/Obi-Wan/whoever duel that leaves Anakin/Vader crippled and questioning who would have the power to defeat him. I began to wonder if there is another possibility:

Anakin, now Vader, but not yet crippled, is battling Obi-Wan, as we've layed out thousands of times before. But instead of of Obi-Wan defeating him, Vader defeats Obi-Wan and is about to finish him. The Anakin side of Vader, however, resists, and an internal struggle ensues. Vader/Anakin (either side would work here) tosses themselves into the crusher/pit/lava/molten metal/whatever, ultimately defeating Anakin's resisting spirit. Maybe he even wounds himself with his lightsabre. Vader loses to no one but himself.

"Vader betrayed and murdered your father." <--Obi-Wan's half-truth

I don't really believe this is how things will unfold, but I thought it would be interesting to speculate anyway.

 

Hmmm...I never even considered that happening.

Unfortunately, after Gollum's internal-conflict-shown-externally scene in TTT, I can't see Lucas doing anything similar.

Uh...it's hard to see the scars as a result of burns from the lava. One would assume that if Ani/Vader fell into lava, that he would have MASSIVE burns requiring incredible skin grafting. The only way I can see lava, at least for the scars on his head, is if it "splashed" him.

I see the head scars more of a result of a "glancing" saber blow, a la Dooku to Obi-Wan in AOTC.

 

I think there are 3 reasons:

1) when he fell into the lava

2) battle with lighstaber

or even

3) because he turned to the darkside! you saw the emperor in ROTJ with his wrinkled up face, it was the dark side, so this may be because of that

 

Good theroy Mercilor.

But I more agree with Jedi-Traitor. That seems the most logical.

 

For those of you who think the majority of Anakin's injuries come from a lightsaber battle, keep in mind that this presumes the bulk of the damage came from Mr. "Obi-wan once thought as you did" Kenobi himself. How is it that a man who supposedly wants to redeem Vader so much, inflicts so much damage on Anakin like he's the Star Wars version of Lizzy Borden?

Think about it....look how easily Obi-wan went down with the lightsaber equivalent of "razor burn"! Anakin lost an arm and passed out immediately (and not suprisingly.)

Now, we are talking about requiring a walking "iron lung". He has several missing or shortened appendages. For the level of damage he will sustain in Ep.III, any thoughts of him getting back up and going after Ben makes him Star Wars's version of Monty Python's Black Knight ("It's just a minor flesh-wound.")

Clearly, something other than a lightsaber battle had to occur. Now, this doesn't prove the "lava" scenario, but something more than lightsaber was used on Anakin.

 

Fair enough - but I still say that as regards the scars on Vader's head, which is what this thread is about, it makes more sense for them to be saber burns rather than lava burns.

But you're right - IIRC, some guy took a capture of when Vader gives Palpy the shaft and he goes all x-ray. Or maybe it was a sourcebook or something.

ANYWAY, I can't remember the details, but Vader's entire right arm was mechanical, his suit was essentially an iron lung, and parts of his legs (the bottom halves?) were completely mechanical as well. I think this was used partially to explain the difference in height between Anakin and Vader.

If anyone has the correct info, feel free to correct me.

 

Injuries of Darth Vader

It's here on TF.N.

 

you rule the school as usual, Trojan.

muchas gracias.

 

I agree, Toltec...I don't care if it's lava on some remote planet or some molten pit of chemicals on Coruscant, I just don't want Anakin to slip, or maybe At The Last Minute have a change of heart and he tries to save Obi-Wan, who Anakin drives to the edge of The Whatever, and Anakin goes in instead. Lucas promised us the darkest one of the saga , and that better be what we get. I want Anakin evil before the full on Vader-Makeover. I want him out to kill Obi-Wan. As for the head scars...y'know, from what I've read, bacta has remarkable regenerative powers....maybe Anakin's head is a lot more messed up at the actual time of the duel, rather than the 20 or so odd years later in ROTJ...As for the glancing blows, I don't think it will be quite like that. Obi-Wan's pretty precise (Zam Wesell, anyone?). I think Obi-Wan might be forced to lash out in self defense and perhaps hack off Anakin's leg or maybe even his LEFT arm, or hand, sending Anakin's blade falling, twirling, and maybe Anakin's own blade does the damage. Whatever happens, I kinda hope that Obi-Wan will be the first to feel the Vader strangle hold...maybe Ankakin's got him in the Force choke and all Obi-Wan can do is Force push him away...and into the big molten whatever. Oh well....we'll see!!!

 

Hmmm...I went to the OS, and read up on Darth Vader.

There is information there that would help solve the questions in several threads in this forum...yet, if the info is true, it would probably be considered spoiler material.

I know that OS stuff does not technically count as a spoiler in this forum....

and I know as well that Lucas probably has only finished the first draft of Episode III, yet why would they put this info on the OS if it wasn't at least partially correct?

You can check for yourselves, or if you prefer, I'll post it in this forum.

Let me know what you think.

 

The scars on Vader's head are from the lava, he had many more but if you have read Shadows of the Empire, then you will remember that it says Vader has slowly but surely been healing himself, and he is almost finished. He can even breathe the air in his little bubble thingy from ESB for a min. or two.

 

And, in the Return of the Jedi book, it extends the talk obi-wan has with luke on dagobah after yoda dies-obi was says that he fought vader into a molten pit. so there ya go

 

And, in the Return of the Jedi book, it extends the talk obi-wan has with luke on dagobah after yoda dies-obi was says that he fought vader into a molten pit. so there ya go

 

Return of the Jedi book also says that Owen and Obi-Wan are brothers.

So, we can't take its EU information seriously, I think...

 

EU can be presented as a possible answer, but not as the only answer. Lucas has changed several ideas that originated in the novelizations. There's no guaranteeing that he won't change this one as well.

 

I reckon first Anakin will have some kind of accident, getting banged up & looking like he survived a major Nascar crash.
Later Kenobi will slice his legs off & he falls into hot stuff, (we haven't seen any legs getting severed yet, only hands).

Palpatine will resuscitate Anakin with Sith lightening, ironic that the Sith lightening destroyes the life support suit killing him at the end of Ep6.

 

The scars on Vader's head did resemble lightsaber marks. But why wasn't his head cut into? Perhaps he used to force to deflect the lightsaber, falling back, over a ledge and onto rocks surrounded by popping molten rock. By the time he gets to safety, most of his body is gone.

 

I think, Obi Wan would feel the heads a crucial enough part of the body that he must not attack it without inflicting critical wounds with his Lightsaber that would really kill Vader rather then "kill" him. I dont think he would graze it with his lightsaber. I do think though that Obi Wan will use the force somehow in self defence of cource to knock Anakin onto some hot rocks that will cut his head and destroy his arms and legs.