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The Sith Code - Unofficial

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  1. PtrsonsZOO

    PtrsonsZOO Jedi Grand Master star 7

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    Sith Code (said as a prayer or meditation)

    I am the Dark Lord of the Sith,
    Ultimate strength in the Universe.
    I understand my feelings and control them,
    And fear is my ally.

    I am the Guardian of knowledge.
    I am the Keeper of wisdom.
    I protect the secrets of past and presence,
    For those to come.

    I know the might of Darkness.
    I see the flame of Light.
    Not a slave nor a servant of Force,
    But Master I am.

    I stand in unity with my Brethren,
    Eternal monolith of Power.
    I follow the path of Force in shadows,
    For I am the Sith.


    Lord of Death - Moriathor


    Oath of Lords

    Let them see what is not there
    And feel what does not touch them.
    When they no longer trust their senses,
    That is the time to strike.


    I am of the Everlasting,
    I am the Darkness,
    The Eternal Night that spans the distance between the stars.
    I cannot be overcome for there is none greater than I .
    The Light of the Stars may push back the Night,
    But in the end all things are returned to me,
    I of the Darkness,
    I am the Lord of the Night.

    I am of that which you cannot fathom,
    For I am the Chaos that remains hidden by the Night.
    No power in the Universe may vanquish me,
    For I am that which existed before the Universe,
    And will remain eternal after it's demise.

    The Everlasting is who I am,
    Never is the time I shall release my grasp
    On that which now dwells within my domain.

    I am the Dark Lord of the Sith, Lord of the Night.
    I am the keeper of Knowledge
    That has remained hidden for eons,
    None shall comprehend that which I protect,
    None that is except for those I have chosen.

    I alone am the Keeper of this most powerful magic,
    That which binds the Galaxy and the Universe.
    The Chaos, the Rune weaves into that which may be understood.
    It is the only true magic in the Universe.

    I am the Lord of Illusion.
    I am in all places at all times and in no places at no time.
    When you think you have found me - You have not.
    When you believe you understand me - You do not.
    When you think you have bested me - You have already lost.
    Behold the might of deception!


    Lord of Darkness - Alvaraax

    Source:
    http://www.sith.e-lux.pl/english/s_sithcode.html
    Some cool stuff for sith on this site

    The Sith Code-
    There is no peace, there is anger.
    There is no fear, there is power.
    There is no death, there is immortality. There is no weakness, there is The Dark Side. I am the Heart of Darkness.
    I know no fear. But rather I instill it in my enemies.
    I am the destroyer of worlds.
    I know the power of the Dark Side.
    I am the fire of hate.
    All the Universe bows before me.
    I pledge myself to the Darkness.
    For I have found true life, In the death of the Light.

    Source:
    The Sith Council Headquarters
    http://pub1.ezboard.com/bthesithcouncil98054.html
     
  2. PtrsonsZOO

    PtrsonsZOO Jedi Grand Master star 7

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    And here's a treatise on the two codes:

    The Jedi Code


    OK...I have watched all the Star Wars back to back 2 times in the last week...Something i notice that is bugging me ... The Jedi Code. The Jedi Code is never spoken but always understood.

    There is no Emotion, there is Peace.
    There is no Ignorance, there is Knowlege.
    There is no Passion, there is Serenity.
    There is no Death, there is the Force.

    However, EVERY main character Jedi (Obi Wan, Anakin, Luke, EVEN Qui-Gon) Defy the 1st and 3rd Rule "There is no Emotion, there is Peace" and "There is no Passion, there is Serenity". My Question is simple...Why must the Jedi Have no feelings? And if they do...are they banned from the Council or does this not make them a GOOD Jedi?

    Take in account also the SITH CODE

    There is no Peace, there is Anger
    There is no Fear, there is Power
    There is no Death, there is Immortality
    There is no weakness, there is the Dark Side

    As you can tell the Sith Code has more feelings than the JEDI code does Yet all the sith seem cold and unfeeling (Sidious, Maul, and Even Vader in the first couple of films)

    The inner conflict between good and evil in the star wars universe has always been the main focus of the movies, books, and many fan debates. Are these codes used really in the films? Remember what Obi-wan told Luke in Dagobah in ROTJ: "Bury your feelings deep down. They do you credit, but they could be made to serve the Emperor." Luke was the strongest Jedi To disobey this code. For instance his love for Leia before he knew she was his sister, his love and devotion to Leia when he found out they were twins, his sense of loss when Obi Wan became one with the Force, his love for his father (Vader), the devotion to his friends, his anger when the Emperor taunts him in ROTJ....and so on, You get the point. In each case, Luke almost gets into some trouble and is always close to being destroyed.

    Now take to account Obi Wan in TPM. Obi Wan's feelings of anger when Qui-Gon wished to take Anakin as his Padawan, Obi Wan's referal to 'pathetic lifeforms', his arguements with Qui-Gon and so on... Obi Wan knows the code, yet with every thought betrays it.

    Now lastly take Darth Vader...he is an emotional basketcase. His seperation from his mother, whatever happens in E2 and E3 will show his fall to the Dark Side making him the most feared and respected Sith lord in Star Wars history, then his redemption in ROTJ. Vader's emotions turn him dark then redeem him in the end. Are these Codes to be taken seriously in the Star Wars Movies? And how can an emotional Jedi like Luke teach a Jedi anything when he is at constant odds with himself?

    Makes you wonder what is really on Lucas' mind

    Source:
    http://jediscouncil.wotf.net/
     
  3. PtrsonsZOO

    PtrsonsZOO Jedi Grand Master star 7

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    And just for fun A Sith Guideline Description.

    The Sith Code
    The Sith are the children of the Dark Side, with pure rage and hatred as their traits and full-fledged aggression as their essence. To the good and orderly Jedi, who have a long code full of strict protocols, the Dark Jedi seem to be unbound by code or rule, free to do as they wish...doing whatever it takes to fulfill their dark desires for themselves or for their Masters. The Dark Jedi derive their power from Fear, Anger, and Hate, tapping into the dark pool of pure Sith mystics. These are what power the Dark Jedi. Yet, the Dark Jedi, indeed do have a code of their own. Here, uncovered for the first time in history, it is.

    There is no peace, there is anger.
    There is no fear, there is power.
    There is no death, there is immortality.
    There is no weakness, there is the Dark Side.
    I am the Heart of Darkness.


    I know no fear,
    But rather I instill it in my enemies.
    I am the destroyer of worlds.
    I know the power of the Dark Side.
    I am the fire of hate.


    All the universe bows before me.
    I pledge myself to the Darkness.
    For I have found true life,
    In the death of the light.


    Memorize it and recite it everyday. So says the ancient Sith writings. Only then, will one become true Sith, for each verse has a unique meaning. This is a code used only by the strongest of the Jedi, the Sith. Never through the Force, can a Jedi kill a Sith. Only through sheer startlement or surprise can one be killed; and the Sith are masters at this, since they have killed each other. For an unknown amount of millennia, have the Jedi been the guardians of peace and justice, until the reign of the great Dark Lord, Darth Sidious, or Emperor Palpatine. His plans proved as wise decisions. Along with his Apprentice, Darth Vader, the Emperor began the Great Jedi Purge, exterminating all the Jedi. With the death of the order of good Jedi, those who wished to challenge the Dark Side of the Force had no chance to win, since no good reinforcements could be provided; no good combatant will arise to challenge the Sith. May the Dark Side rule forever.





     
  4. Joseph_Orion

    Joseph_Orion Jedi Master star 4

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    the reason why all those codes aren't in the movies is because Lucas doesn't care. Honestly, he just thinks it's a movie. It's fans and authors who make this sort of crap up. If the code were true, the Jedi might as well be droids. And The Sith living things. You can't deny your feelings. No emotion? uhhh no. People dig too deep and start writing stuff and all of a sudden it's just accepted as "the way" I think Jedi are just warriors who do good, and Sith are evil. It's classic good vs. evil. The only thing we've seen was "give in to your hate" blah blah and then the whole fear spiel coming from Yoda. Other than that, it's just not there. There is no explanation of it. "fear turns to anger. anger leads to hate, hate leads to suffering" just doesn't sum anything up for me. They had better start explaining this crap in the movies :)
     
  5. Jedi_Pilot

    Jedi_Pilot Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    Here's what the WotC RPG core rules say on the Jedi Code:

    Consider the first rule:"there is no emotion; there is peace." It is plainly a contrast, distinguishing the confusion of emotional considerations from the clear thinking of peaceful meditation-obviously, a valuable quality.
    But if that peace is rooted in simply being unaware of some factor that would otherwise cause a Jedi to feel an emotional reaction, then it is not so much peace as ignorance. This is why the Code contains the second rule:"There is no ignorance; there is knowledge."
    This teaches Jedi to strive to understand all situations-particularly before acting-to avoid errors in judgement. But knowing a thing well can lead one to become engrossed in it. An obsessive focus leads to clouding of the mind. Thus the third rule:"There is no passion; there is serenity." Knowing a thing objectively is knowing it as the Force knows it.
    Still, students commonly argue that the only true objectivity is nonexistence-death. For does one not effect a thing even by merely observing it? This is why there is the fourth rule:"There is no death; there is the Force." The Force knows all things objectively; it is serene, and it is not swayed by emotion.
    Thus, the Jedi Code teaches that before undertaking any action, the Jedi should consider the will of the Force. Master Odan-Urr said:"With these other considerations aside, all that remains is the Force." If a Jedi can act emotionlessly, knowledgeably, and serenely, then he or she is acting in accordance with the will of the Force.
    Therefore, if a Jedi acts in ALL things without emotion, ignorance, or passion, then that Jedi is truly a master of the Force.

    It seems to me then that the Code is more an ideal that all Jedi are striving toward as opposed to a set of rules that no one seems to follow.

    P.S. There's several more pages of this type of stuff in the book. If people are interested I can make and bring some copies to the meeting.
     
  6. kitarusapien

    kitarusapien Former RMFF CR star 6 VIP

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    If you're waitin' for GL to do it, better give up the ghost now, JO! Like you said, it's just a movie to him, although I think he thinks more of his work now than before....in the beginning, he was just trying to make a name for himself, but now.....and possibly the more mundane point....there isn't enough room in the script!!!
     
  7. PtrsonsZOO

    PtrsonsZOO Jedi Grand Master star 7

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    Just found this at TF.n

    Sith Holocron Translation
    Tue, Apr 09, 02 04:51:41 PM EDT


    snap-hiss got a look at the Sith Holocron from the Episode II Visual Dictionary. With some free time and a little detective work, he translated the Aurebesh text on it:

    I translated the Aruk-Besh transcription on the sith holocron found in the visual dictionary. It translates into Latin: IN UMBRIS POTESTAS EST or in English...
    IN DARKNESS THERE IS POWER.

     
  8. kitarusapien

    kitarusapien Former RMFF CR star 6 VIP

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    Thanks, Historian, but quite frankly, we needed a translation for that???? We Jedi have always known that's what the Sith think!

    { ;>>
     
  9. chunk_the_jawa

    chunk_the_jawa Jedi Knight star 5

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    thanks jen.
     
  10. darth_hair

    darth_hair Jedi Master star 5

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    i live by the book .

    the sith book !
     
  11. Obi_Wannabe

    Obi_Wannabe Jedi Grand Master star 5

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    I AM NEVER HITCHING A RIDE FROM YOU!
     
  12. darth_hair

    darth_hair Jedi Master star 5

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    i only pick up sith chicks .
     
  13. chunk_the_jawa

    chunk_the_jawa Jedi Knight star 5

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    man just imagine what george carlin did times 100 and that what youd have to do.
     
  14. darth_hair

    darth_hair Jedi Master star 5

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    hahahahahaha
     
  15. arrowheadpodracer

    arrowheadpodracer Jedi Master star 5

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    oh. I just found this. I guess it answers my earlier question. in the Jedi code thread

    I always liked the "fear" tone poem that started out as a TPM commercial with Maul. I dont have it with me- but I think it says stuff like:

    Fear attracts the fearful
    the strong, the weak, etc. etc.
    Fear is my ally.

    anyone have it handy?
     
  16. PtrsonsZOO

    PtrsonsZOO Jedi Grand Master star 7

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    I have the commercial where he says it on the DVD and on CDROM at home.
     
  17. arrowheadpodracer

    arrowheadpodracer Jedi Master star 5

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    me too. It's like a song that got stuck in my head that I cant remember the words to. I was just wondering if someone was home where they could check it. I'll look tonight
     
  18. VoidDancer

    VoidDancer Jedi Grand Master star 5

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    Fear,

    Fear attracts the fearful,
    The strong,
    The weak,
    The innocent,
    The corrupt.

    Fear,

    Fear is my ally


    I transcribed it for a friend a long time ago and I still had the document saved.
     
  19. arrowheadpodracer

    arrowheadpodracer Jedi Master star 5

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    cool!!! thank you!!!

    Jeez! my head was about to explode.
     
  20. VoidDancer

    VoidDancer Jedi Grand Master star 5

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    The old d6 system has alot to say on Jedi, especially on the Tales of the Jedi sourcebook...and it was interesting to note that they saw a dark sider and they removed him. For the most part they never tried to "redeem" him.

    But anyway...

    I the revised version of the d20 source book they've got a decent and expanded version of the Jedi Code with explanations that make it more realistic, but I still think it's a load of BS. That's how ever Jedi in the books and movies keep breaking the stupid thing.

    If there is no emotion or passion then how do you make a decision. How do you know something is "wrong" if you have no basis of judgement...compare it to a checklist ? Why defend a people from war when they'd kill the others if they had a chance ? It's like the alignment of true neutral in D&D, if you have no opinion about things then why bother to be in the world. And if you channel the "will of the force" this way, congrats you're a puppet. How many can tell what they REALLY suborn themselves to, do they understand what the force wants, what it's goals are, and if not how can you truely believe that's the right thing to do ? Yes it's much better to remain calm when making decisions, but what prompted the decision is just as important.

    There is no knowledge without ignorance !!! I've done tech support for years and it's the result of people who don't admit their ignorance and therefor have no need to gather knowledge...and the network dies as a result. You can't have improvement (knowledge) until you understand what you can't do (ignorance) and decide to change that. But who cares if you know anything anyway, you have no passion about it.

    The Sith are much more realistic about how things are but they choose to use that philosophy to help themselves instead and can't look beyond themselves...that's all. They want total power and control and in their selfish drive don't realize that's impossible. If all you have is fear and hatred, then what you have will crumble and you rule over nothing because nobody will want to make things better for themselves since it can be destroyed at a whim. (Think Stalinist USSR for a real world analog). But they will never be comfortable in their power. People like that are constantly looking for those who are after power like they took it, they sit upon a troubled throne that has more problems than already comes with being a leader.

     
  21. PtrsonsZOO

    PtrsonsZOO Jedi Grand Master star 7

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    Sounds like Void and Kit should start their own Grey Jedi Guild. That is, if the Grey Jedi ever got together, which is, in itself, against what most Grey Jedi believe.
     
  22. SITH__CHICK

    SITH__CHICK Former RMFF CR star 7

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    Maybe Jenn you can right the RMFF Jedi codes?
     
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