Full Series The Star Wars Rebels Stormtrooper Incompetence Thread

Well, different Stormtroopers. Imperial troopers are recruits who join as teenagers, FO troopers are trained from infancy, like Clone Troopers were.

But I do agree Stormtrooper Incompetence in Rebels is ridiculous now. They couldn't hit the broad side of an Executor-class Star Dreadnought if they were standing in the superstructure.

 

Not any more. Retconned by either Dave or Pablo in one of the BtS segments on the S1 DVD set.

 

Imperial Army Troopers themselves are non canon. But there is this http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Imperial_combat_driver

 

A totally unnecessary and stupid change. If the STs are the elite forces what are the grunt forces? You're telling me that each panet has it's own ST contingent and no regular army troopers? How could the Empire run out of STs in the years after Endor if every planet had a ton of it's own "elite" STs? If STs are "elite" what standard forces are they better than?
Analogy: The US military is not totally comprised of US Marines.

 

Well the Marines aren't the elite. They're pretty good but the standard Marine is infantry. The "elite" of the US military is special operations forces such as 1st SFOD-Delta, Army Special Forces, 75th Rangers, Navy SEALs, DEVGRU, 160th SOAR, etc... This is the way I see it. **Keep in mind this is my own interpretations and just speculation, nothing is confirmed I'm just going off of established canon to fill in gaps**
You have the Imperial Army. Under that you have the Stormtrooper Corps and the the Imperial Army Combat Deployments including the Army Pilots, Combat Drivers, etc.

In the Stormtrooper Corps there are 2 different types of Stormtroopers. The elite and the standard grunts. The grunts being ones just stationed on worlds and divided into "planet garrisons" without belonging to any particular named unit. These garrisons work as the main force on that world, with varying degrees of skill depending on the importance of the planet i.e. the "Lothal Garrison" would probably be less skilled than the "Coruscant Garrison" or "Death Star Garrison". These garrisons can also belong to certain ships, like the crew specific to Tarkin's Star Destroyer or the Interdictor we saw in Stealth Strike

After the less skilled garrisons assigned to a specific planet you get the "elite" forces used for offensive capabilities across multiple worlds. These include named units like the 501st Legion, 212th Attack Battalion, 107th Stormtrooper Legion, 97th Stormtrooper Legion, etc. These would be the guys considered the best. Now there are also more specialized units that can be attached to any particular Stormtrooper Legion, such as the Storm Commandos, Imperial Special Forces, Blizzard Force, Shadow Troopers, Purge Troopers, Dark Troopers, Shock Troopers, ISB Stormtrooper Detachments, etc.

In both of these types of Stormtrooper units there are different Stormtrooper types that take up different roles depending on the operation's needs or the conditions of the garrisoned planet/ship. These would include Stormtrooper Snipers, Scout Troopers, Cold Assault Troopers, Sand Troopers, Riot Troopers, Stormtrooper Grenadiers, Magma Troopers, etc.

Just my interpretations of how the Stormtrooper Corps works.

 

More moments like this would be nice. The Stormtroopers don't have to kill main characters to look more competent.

 

That guy isn't a Stormtrooper. He's and Imperial Combat Driver. Stormtrooper gear and weapons (probably training also) but they are separate from the Stormtrooper Corps.

 

I was referring to the to the marines being akin to the stormtroopers in role, not in how elite they were.
We have a disparity. http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Stormtrooper#cite_ref-sweSTO_0-0

The link to the Imperial Army Troopers is categorized as legends. There is no citation for this excerpt, but it wouldn't be there if there were no material to back it up, right?

Here is how I see it:
Storm Troopers are very often referred to being in their own Corps. They have there own branch of the Imperial Army separate from the standard army. This means the ST Corps has it's own logistics, budget, training, and resources separate from the standard army. The role of the ST corps is first as the loyal soldiers of the Emperor. This means they act first in the interests of the Emperor and second in the interests of their commanders. The interests of the Emperor primarily include, but are not limited too, protecting special Imperial assets/interests [i.e. the Death Star(s)], subjugating planets, and undertaking special missions. The Storm trooper's role leads it to make sense that they are often and most numerously stationed on larger Imperial warships.

The Imperial Army is the main frame of the ground forces, tasked with helping with the subjugation of planets, protecting said planets, and ensuring protection to loyal Imperial Systems. These are the local garrisons raised by the local system. They aren't doing anything special so their training and equipment doesn't have to be as expensive as the ST corps. Logistically, you can have a lot of protection for an entire system without having to spend a lot of money or resources. This also means that the Imperial Army is significantly bigger than the ST corps due to its role.

Making Storm Troopers the local grunts, in my opinion, takes away form the Storm Troopers role of being the personal, loyal soldiers of the Emperor.

What you said makes sense and I respect your opinion, but the fact that you had to come up with your own speculation when everything I just said is found in the OEU shows very poor world building of the NEU.

 

The Imperial Army Troopers aren't canon because they haven't appeared in anything that is currently canon. I don't exactly see what you are trying to say. Dave Filoni and Pablo Hidalgo have both said before, their are Stormtroopers stationed on planets like Lothal that are pretty much just grunts, and then there are Stormtroopers like from the 501st, 212th and Storm Commandos that are the elite. And still the Stormtroopers aren't treated as just grunts in everything. Read Battlefront: Twilight Company. The Stormtroopers are displayed as a deadly fighting force in that.

 

Part of the problem is the way our Rebels act around the storm troopers. They don't even take them serious like there is no threat at all. They make jokes as they run around taking care of the troops as if they are not even there. I think that is a problem almost as much as the incompetence.


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They've acknowledged the skill of some other Stormtroopers, examples being the ones stationed at the Spire on Stygeon Prime and the ones stationed on Takin's ship the Sovreign. Heck even the increased security in the last episode made the rebels nervous a bit. All of those times the rebels saw them as a legitimate threat. There are still a ton of times of them just outright making fun of them though.

 

Sabine didn't the slightest care for the Stormtroopers in her diversions. I suppose you could say it was because she wanted their attention, but yeah.

 

I think at the very least they should toss in storm commandos or purge troopers or something, like the commando droids in TCW, as minions the heroes have to actually take seriously.

Hell, really by now the Empire should have way more stuff on the Ghost's ass. Their faces would be on a hundred bounty hunter boards (a certain Fett to show up, perhaps?) the ISB would surely be sending more (competent) agents than just Kallus...considering one of them is a Jedi, and they have destroyed multiple Imperial capital ships now, just showing their faces anywhere would be a risk.

I know it's a kid's show, and there should be allowances for the story, but in ANH and TESB at least the Empire had a cool menacing sense of threat--when they showed up at Hoth, the Rebels knew they were screwed and ran, and when stormtroopers visited the Lars homestead, all Luke found was charred corpses. I'm not saying have the heroes gunned down, but their victories mean more if the bad guys seem to be an actual menace.

 

In Rebels stormtroopers are even less dangerous than battle droids in TCW- they at least killed someone- in rebels they usually get no one or even hit anyone. There should be more redshirt rebels helping the main characters so stormies could hit them.

 

Sometimes, it's really a wonder the empire managed to stay in power for so long, let alone more than 2 decades in such a big part of the galaxy if they are so incompetent as they say. I'm going with apathy, personally.