Amph The Transformers. More than meets the eye!

I hadn't seen the movie prior to watching that third season of G1 and it was a jarring experience. I was aware that Optimus had died...but why were we in 2006? What was this Unicron thing? Who was this bat**** crazy Galvatron jerk? So many favorite Autobots and Decepticons, just gone. Then the animation was less polished than usual. Ugh, it's never been my favorite season of G1.

 

Bay really needs to leave. Simple as that.

I do worry that they'll just stop making these films all together if they don't make the money the company wants. I mean, look at GIJoe. If they wanna keep this franchise alive, get some new blood and stop copying and pasting the same plot.

Hopefully the Bumblebee film (if it's made) is a new starting point.

Yeah I just rewatched DOTM an hour ago, and I could've sworn their was more Autobot action during the Chicago battle when I saw it back in 2011. That whole building collapse scene with Epps, Sam, etc. was longer too than I remember.

Though to be fair, I think DOTM is the strongest of the sequels. It does seem Bay actually tried to make a much more cohesive film than ROTF.

 

Sorry about the double post. Phone had problems.

About the 86 film, it's a fun movie like the 2007 TF film. I remember being confused as hell tho. My first taste of Transformers was the Unicron Trilogy so I barely recognized anyone.

 

In all my life, I've still never seen an action sequence as good as Optimus Prime vs Megatron in Transformers: The Movie. There was years of character investment, the consequences were real, the choreography was excellent, and above all the two were just finally going at it, no holds barred. It was a seminal moment, and shaped my whole idea of what fight scenes should even be.

 

^ Plus the animation and direction of that scene was pretty epic, matched with the line "One shall stand... One shall fall." However, the result of that shown down between Prime and Megatron made me hate Hot Rod and thus was never a fan of the next generation of Transformers/Rodimus Prime. In mind, it was Hot Rod's shenanigans that cause Megatron to get the upper hand and blast Optimus with the fatal blows. This animated film still holds up.

That being said, I was disappointed with Hot Rod in The Last Knight as he was that in name only and came off like another generic autobot.

I hope Michael Bay does leave the franchise and then have the entire this rebooted, but that seems unlikely with the Bumble Bee spinoff film (which is suppose to be like Iron Giant) and with the midcredit scene in The Last Knight. But should a reboot happen, I hope whomever takes over the franchise will design the characters to be more like their classic/icon look.

 

One of those rare instances where I agree with you. Interesting.

And I shed no tears whatsoever when Optimus regained the crown...Matrix...whatever...from that peasant upstart.

 

Prime knew that Megatron was up to something when he said something like, "You without mercy now asks for it?"

This is how that scene should have ended with Hot Rod's meddling or not:

 

My memory's a bit hazy on the subject, but I don't recall Hot Spaz being all that angsty about helping getting Optimus killed during or after the movie. Rottimus definitely had his doubts as leader later on. Rightfully so. The Matrix glitched and chose him as a Prime by mistake...


..yeah, I really, REALLY hated that kid.

 

The benefits of the film and season three was that there were fewer characters introduced at once, which lead to more of a focus on the ones who did debut. It also helped that Marv Wolfman took over as story editor, since he was experienced as a comic book writer and really began to cut his teeth with animation.

I was one of the fortunate ones to have seen the movie when it came out. Still enjoy the memories to this day. But yeah, having Akom do more in season three than in season two didn't help. But I didn't really notice the difference, except for the times when Akom animated Optimus.

Akom.



Toei.

It wasn't really a movie prelude. It was just a promotional tool to market the "Scramble City" combiners as a sub-line.



Takara didn't want to wait for the final ten episodes of season two to air and felt that they should market the 1986 product differently. That said, it makes for a better season finale than "B.O.T." did.

It was that way originally.





It was changed to having Hot Rod involved, since it didn't make sense for Optimus to be so sloppy with Megatron.

It wasn't that he blamed himself for getting Optimus killed, but that he had trouble accepting the burden of leadership. This was demonstrated in "Five Faces Of Darkness" Part 1, when Rodimus laments about Springer and Arcee not listening to him and wondering how Optimus handled it. In "The Ultimate Weapon", when Rodimus starts becoming testy towards the other Autobots, after the recent battle with the Decepticons and the stolen Transformation Cog from Metroplex. The events of "The Burden Hardest To Bear", when he blows up at everyone and winds up losing the Matrix. The only time he directly blamed himself was in "Dark Awakening", when he visited Optimus's body and expressed remorse for what happened.

Oh and Optimus had those same doubts as Kup explained in "The Burden Hardest To Bear".

 

Well, it goes back to the first film where

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Sam examined his family tree and found out that Archibald was a famous explorer. I wager if they had gotten Shia to come back, Sam would have been the Last Knight in question and would have tied things together a bit more.

 

Well,

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this photo does appear in The Last Knight

And IIRC, there was a Punisher symbol in the Last Knight as well. It would be the second time Bay used it as he also used it in 13 Hours.

 

I think the point was that the family was part of the organization all along and that's why the character was able to have a connection with the Transformers.

 

so the new movie is absolute trash 15% rt

 

They've all be trash. This one is just blatant trash.

 

After finally seeing Guardians of the Galaxy 2....just imagine what the Transformers movies could have been had they gotten James Gunn to write and direct them.

 

They're actually pretty similar, if you read critics' reviews. Both relied heavily on trying to copy the formula of the previous film, both with somewhat questionable results.

 

Perhaps. But I'd wager they might've actually been reviewed as "good".

 

I liked Last Knight, it's so much nonsense that goes by without insisting upon plot coherence that it almost becomes an abstract art film. With a transformer 3 headed dragon in the 1st 5 minutes and a drunken fraud Merlin. And Hopkins is clearly just going nuts, even moreso than usual. Like he tells the Prime Minster to "SHUT! UP!" I have no idea why Hopkins exited the film by having his character randomly wandering into a free-fire zone. Maybe just so he won't be in 6 more sequels. And the robo bulter cogsworth cracked me up because he literally goes nuts half the time and even starts singing musical scary tunes to crank up Hopkins exposition. Whalberg is a drag and looks irritated and confused most of the time and the chosen one stuff is just terrible. The kid sidekick and robo-sidekick is fairly useless BUT I did like her introductory scene where she says goodybe to her brutally murdered autobot protector. I don't know WHY they brought back Josh Dumaell, I guess we're supposed to care when the two "heroes" of TF movies face off but Dumaell is literally just exposition military guy. (also, geek note, he says he'll remember Megatron's voice in his nightmares but Megatron's voice changed to the Frank Welker voiced version since Megatron is a Galvatron (who is Megatron) who turned into Galvatron and back into Megatron but with a different voice so why does he remember his voice if it's different now?)

But the climax of the film is pretty neat and the whole integration of Unicron into the mythos is kind of fascinating (basically Cybertron is Unicorn but maybe not). Did like the post-credits sting too, probably the best stuff that character does the whole movie. Evil Optimus is basically just two scenes but I do like how he comes back as his noble self and this DOES sort of explain why he was insanely kill-crazy in Age of Extinction, those evil outer space robot gods are mucking with his brain! I guess. Anyway, he's good again now.