The truth about "The Force is Female"

Learnt mutch in this Thread.

 

You really show your ignorance and misogyny in one fell swoop. And you wonder why people question your sincerity.

 

Lady wears t-shirt with pop culture reference = masculinity in crisis. Oh dear.

FYI disco doesn't literally suck, and the person standing next to me isn't actually stupid, and as much as i'd love to, i'm unable to vote for Pedro.

Be like Frankie, relax.

 

Kennedy’s exact words at the event where she wore the shift included the following:

“It’s a conversation we have had really going back to what George did with Princes Leia. And we carried on that tradition, and I think we have created some really strong females with characters Rey in TFA and Jyn in Rogue One. We are having strong empowered females in these stories and really allowing them to become heroes, which seems to be, oddly, a new concept, but fantastic - that seems to be getting some traction, so that’s what we are trying to do.”

So flame me all you want, but it is very clear from this that “The Force is Female” was a real thing and did indeed drive creative decisions.

 

Well @PolymerSkywalker you have two threads going right now complaining about Kathleen Kennedy. Why not just make it a trilogy?

 

That is simply not true. The exact words above from people are there is not an agenda. The above statement seems really clear there is indeed an agenda.

I personally think it feels forced and agenda driven and is one of the reasons Star Wars is losing some of its luster with the casual fan.

I understand that others think different and I respect their opinion even if I don’t agree with it.

When female hero’s happen organically it always seems to be accepted by most fans. (i.e. princess Leia, Katnis Everdeen, Wednesday Adams, Ellen Ripley, Eleven in Stranger Things, etc.). In all of those examples you can clearly tell the story is most important thing, and no agenda is felt. So where are all of the accusations you all are slinging at me above, when I love those characters? So I am just a bad person occasionally and only when it pertains to Disney’s version of Lucasfilms?

 

You don’t know me or anything about me, but yet you judge me and call me derogatory names based off the fact that I don’t believe agenda driven formulas in SW are are good thing from a storytelling standpoint.

 

We all know what you mean by "the casual fan." These are the same fans that were outraged a storm trooper could be black. The same fans that forced Kelly Marie Tran & Daisy Ridley off twitter.

 

By casual fan they mean people that listen to Mike Zeroh and Geeks and Gamers.

 

Ok, now i know not to listen to you and just ignore.

 

So if a female studio executive wants to introduce a strong female lead, it's an agenda. But if a male director does, it isn’t? Got it.

 

Is this male director white?

 

So interesting that the narrative on here so quickly changed from: No, there is nothing behind this T-shirt slogan, and there is NO female centric direction for Star Wars. Went as far as someone counting the genders in a show in an effort to prove me wrong.

Now it has quickly evolved into: Yes, there is a conscious choice to have more strong female leads and females behind the camera as well. and what is wrong with that?

So which is it, was this a conscious effort by Lucasfilm and or not?

To answer your question. No it’s not an agenda when males are in warrior hero and military leader type roles. Because the overwhelming number of real life military leaders and best warriors since the beginning of time were male. Currently less than 20% of our military members are female and less than 20% of military officers are female. Just like like 95% or plumbers or brick layers are male. Why no desire to have more female representation in the ranks of plumbers under a house today working on sewer pipes? So no it’s not an agenda, it mirrors real life of the human race since the beginning of time.

 

@PolymerSkywalker you do realize you are talking about a fantasy universe right? Infact a fantasy universe where people are able to freely travel all around the galaxy. Why are you getting so upset about it when it is a fantasy universe? It's not like they are telling stories set in medieval Earth and are completely altering real history.

 

So you are altering the history as presented for the first 6 movies though right? I understand it is a fictional place / story. So why did the percentages change so drastically since Disney bought this franchise? I mean it was stated many times above that their was no agenda to change anything right?

 

No. The first six movies didn't say anything about it one way or another. All the first six movies had was male lead. Not sure where you are getting the idea that the original six movies made any statements at all on the topic.

 

Never said 1-6 made a statement. I said they created an established history and lore. Then that all changed, why the sudden change if there was no conscious effort to change the power dynamics in franchise? So why did the gender roles flip so hard in favor of strong female leads if there was no plan to do so. All complete coincidence?

 

They kept all the lore established by the original six movies. Being upset about the direction they chose to take Luke Skywalker isn't relevant to this topic because Luke's future wasn't established yet by the first six movies.

Them choosing to establish more female leads isn't in anyway contradicting the first six movies. If you don't want to support Star Wars movies with female leads than you are free to not support them. But your argument here regarding them rewriting history by establishing more female leads isn't relevant because the first six movies never said there weren't strong female characters in this universe.

 

So you are going with its all a fluke coincidence?

Or are you saying it was a conscious decision and I need to live with or exit the fandom?

Hard to tell what position you are taking.

 

Never once said females could not be strong or independent. I said the massive change to every single female character being strong and independent seems / feels / looks unnatural.

If you think the western world leads the rest of the world on stereotypes of strong men and weak women you have not traveled much. Ever been to Mexico, or Thailand, or China, or Japan, or Malaysia, or Viet Nam, or Africa, or any Islamic country. Western females have an unbelievably easier path to leadership roles here compared to many other countries.

You are correct it doesn’t matter. Well unless you actually want to sell to the widest possible audiences. As long as you are good with the viewership going down as prior SW fans exit the fandom, yep I think you continue the current direction. Again the number so male / female leads isn’t really the problem. The problem is it comes across as an agenda / preachy. People want to be entertained and not preached to.