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Comics The 'Union' comic is one of the most fun, cheesiest, ridiculous SW stories I've ever read

Discussion in 'Literature' started by Hoaxer_Poker, Aug 4, 2013.

  1. Robimus

    Robimus Jedi Grand Master star 5

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    When?

    I don't believe that Pellaeon even met Daala until at least 12 aby(if not 13).

    According to Force Heretic the story takes place in maybe 30 aby(not maybe 35 like I was thinking), so Vitor might be 18 or even 17 at that point. Could it be true lacking more detailed evidence? Sure.

    But thus far we have no evidence that Daala could have been his mother. We have no evidence that Pellaeon & Daala ever had a relationship of that nature.
     
  2. Havac

    Havac Former Moderator star 7 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    I'm pretty sure Daala would have noticed if she was Vitor Reige's mother. In Ascension she knows him only as Pellaeon's protege and appears vaguely confused why he looks and sounds like Pellaeon.
     
  3. Revanfan1

    Revanfan1 Force Ghost star 6

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    I don't exactly remember, but I thought Revelation said he was pretty young.

    Yeah, I don't seriously think she's Reige's mother, because she would...uh...know. But it's fun to think about who his mom is.
     
  4. Gamiel

    Gamiel Chosen One star 9

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    She could have given him away early and not realised that this Vitor Reiges fellow was her unwanted childe
     
  5. GrandAdmiralJello

    GrandAdmiralJello Comms Admin ❉ Moderator Communitatis Litterarumque star 10 Staff Member Administrator

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    Well I don't have the comic with me so I can't refute that. I'd they are just lacked, then yes they're useless. But if they're exiled throneworlders...

    Sigh. Hard to say from ignorance.

    Edit: what in particular makes you think they're sligd?
     
  6. Robimus

    Robimus Jedi Grand Master star 5

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    Force Heretic: Remnant says he is young, but he was also an active Imperial officer of some sort.

    As Havac mentions, there is a lot of character POV's that don't support this line of thinking. I wouldn't put it past the creative team to toss in this type of curve ball given their recent ideas - but no :p
     
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  7. Todd the Jedi

    Todd the Jedi Mod & Bewildered Conductor of SWTV Lit &Collecting star 7 Staff Member Manager

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    You get used to it. Then you add to it. The happy circle of nerd.
     
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  8. Grey1

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    You know, I only just realized that this might be exactly how Anakin swooned Tahiri. But one massacre too many will disrupt your relationship, as both Anakins found out the hard way.
     
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  9. jSarek

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    Union was great. The "plot" with the Imperials was mostly added, I think, because there was a general sense that you couldn't market a Star Wars story without some kind of conflict. It's clearly not the focus of the comic; the focus is on seeing our heroes experience a life event that, unlike blowing up Death Stars or slaying Sith, is familiar and understandable to normal people.

    I also don't mind the fact that, despite some great all-female scenes, it doesn't quite pass the Bechdel test. Everyone has marriage on the mind, as they should, with the the theme of the comic being the characters exploring both the practical elements and the larger meaning of matrimonial union.

    As for the art ... the comic came out at a time when the highly detailed, computer-colored art we're familiar with now was just in its infancy. Terashini's work stands out as a high point when compared with other comics of the same general timeframe.

    And as for the implication that this comic is only humorous unintentionally, ... poppycock. From Han and Luke's "give my whiskey to him"/"A Jedi does not know pain" exchange, to the cavalcade of would-be dress designers, to the awesomeness of Booster Terrik the Babysitter, there's no shortage of genuinely funny moments spread throughout the work.

    That said, the comic isn't flawless. As others have indicated, the identification of characters is particularly problematic; it could seriously have used a good dramatis personae spread at the beginning. The fact that, in at least one scene, the dialogue bubbles between Corran and Kam got switched up only makes it worse.

    But I will happily take those flaws in exchange for getting the only long-form Star Wars slice-of-life story ever made.
     
  10. GrandAdmiralJello

    GrandAdmiralJello Comms Admin ❉ Moderator Communitatis Litterarumque star 10 Staff Member Administrator

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    A dramatis personae with portraits, since even EU fans could get confused. EU illustrations are rarely consistent after all.

    But yeah, I kinda wish we had more general life stories like this. What I want to see in the future from the EU: our main characters or supporting characters living normal lives and over PMing normal problems OR stories based around smaller characters completely unrelated to the main characters and main conflicts (like SWAJ stories).

    Of course we'll never get the former because apparently EU characters only ever hang out with each other during crises.


    Misa ab iPhono meo est.
     
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  11. Iron_lord

    Iron_lord 51x Wacky Wed/3x Two Truths/29x H-man winner star 10 VIP - Game Winner

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    With regard to the bringing up of Union in the Lost Stars thread:



    anyone want to continue discussion of Union here, in order to avoid derailing that one?
     
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  12. Vthuil

    Vthuil Force Ghost star 5

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    As I said in that thread, there have always been a couple of very specific things that bothered me about Union, neither of which are its "cheesiness". I don't mind cheesiness on some occasions, but the problem is that:
    1. The wedding and the rituals around it come across as very reaffirming of traditional binary gender stuff. The men and women split off into gender-segregated groups and engage in fairly stereotypical activity; Mara's dress is the subject of a lot of drama (played for laughs, but still) whereas Luke's outfit isn't. It'd bug me under any circumstances, but it's especially grating here because Luke is not a very conventionally masculine hero and Mara's not that feminine.
    2. While I get that it's partially just an excuse plot for why unreconstructed Imperials are trying to cause havoc - which itself is sort of just an excuse plot because Star Wars stories always need a threat of some kind - the idea that the wedding is being seen as a great symbolic moment of Republic-Imperial reconciliation bothers me. Mara in the HoT duology is not in any meaningful sense associated with the Empire, and the idea that she still is at this point seems tied in a little to Zahn's ever-increasing attempts to walk back the idea that being an Imperial agent is something she should develop away from and that wasn't a good thing.
    On a more minor note, while I was generally okay with the art, I have to say that it does not do Luke any favors. He's frequently genuinely unrecognizable.
     
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  13. Cushing's Admirer

    Cushing's Admirer Chosen One star 7

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    I don't consider gender roles a bad thing however I did find Union incredibly dull.
     
  14. Thuro

    Thuro Jedi Master star 4

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    Nuts. The images on page four are broken.
     
  15. Barriss_Coffee

    Barriss_Coffee Chosen One star 6

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    I could scan them but.... they're kind of weird. I'm assuming it's the spa scene. Where the gals are all drawn in shampoo ad model poses. And the dialogue is so cheezy it's just begging for a dramatic reading. "As long as love is there, the problems are insignificant." W the royal Alderaanian F.

    One interesting line though -- Mara makes a comment that is fairly reminiscent of the Lost Stars plot: "Sometimes I feel like we're marrying the Empire and the New Republic together."
     
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  16. Cushing's Admirer

    Cushing's Admirer Chosen One star 7

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    It was about time they finally actually attempted to ease the tensions. Too bad nothing really came of it till NJO.
     
  17. Thuro

    Thuro Jedi Master star 4

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    Please?

    This I gotta see. Nice change of pace from the constant do or die in the Star Wars universe.
     
  18. Iron_lord

    Iron_lord 51x Wacky Wed/3x Two Truths/29x H-man winner star 10 VIP - Game Winner

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    There's a "spa scene" shot in the article on "what movie characters are being used as the models for SW ones"
     
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  19. Thuro

    Thuro Jedi Master star 4

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    Oh jeez. Kind of surprised Katarn wasn't modeled off Chuck Norris.
     
  20. Iron_lord

    Iron_lord 51x Wacky Wed/3x Two Truths/29x H-man winner star 10 VIP - Game Winner

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    I'm guessing "Unknown bar bachelor" may be Kyle. I think Kyle's also the guy who said "When they told me no krayt dragon, I was in" (Kyle being noted for punching dragons (Kell dragons) to death in the Dark Forces series.)
     
  21. The Positive Fan

    The Positive Fan Force Ghost star 4

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    Wow - fascinating article. They found the original still shots Teranishi used to create the likenesses and everything. Thanks for posting that.

    This thread prompted me to read Union for the first time last night. "Cheesy" and "cute" are apt descriptions. Probably could have worked better as maybe a single double-sized issue than a four issue limited from a story perspective, but as it was it wasn't dreadful.
     
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  22. anakincol

    anakincol Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    could be kyle or could be streen. Kyle, Corran, and Streen were the only one I remeber with beards among Lukes early students.
     
  23. Iron_lord

    Iron_lord 51x Wacky Wed/3x Two Truths/29x H-man winner star 10 VIP - Game Winner

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    Streen is quite elderly and graying even nine years earlier (JAT) - I doubt somewhat that it's him.
     
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  24. anakincol

    anakincol Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    True, most be kyle cause corran is clean shaven in union probably due to new republic military regs.
     
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  25. Cracian_Thumper

    Cracian_Thumper Jedi Master star 3

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    I always thought that was Gavin Darklighter, making a Tatooine joke.

    EDIT: The Wook thinks it's Gavin, too.
     
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