Senate The US Politics 2.0 Discussion Thread

It brings me great joy to see his miserable face anywhere, these days.

 

Wonder how much longer CNN and the others will wait to call AZ

 

Buzz Feed said it just officially went to Biden but I just checked MSNBC and CNN and there still not reporting it. Its only a matter of time Bidens numbers keep going up in PA Georgia and Arizona this isn't even a contest Biden is blowing him out!

I wrote my Senator Rick Scott and asked him to talk some sense into Trump that Biden won the election not Trump. my mom wrote Rick Scott as well and basically said the same thing not that it will do much Rick Scott is a Trump Puppet.
I also wrote Biden and Harris and said this,

 

Agreed it doesn’t necessarily/automatically choose him, that’s why I said, “if” + “and” as well as that the odds are very low (if you were responding to me).

I’d love to know what the odds are in his mind though.

 

The networks are probably trying not to draw Trump's ire while he's still sulking in the White House (bunker).

I'd almost pay to see Trump dragged out of the White House by the Secret Service in January (he would love the ratings), but talk about pathetic and embarrassing for America. And in the meantime, the more time Trump and his lackeys waste, the worst the pandemic gets. Not that I think he's mainly trying to make the pandemic worse, its just a byproduct of their general sabotage of government.

Biden being recognized by US allies probably just fires up Trump's base more, they like Russia and North Korea more anyway. Glad the election's over but I'm still worried the Republicans will pull something crazy in December. Legally and logically they can't steal the election but they're not exactly a sensible group.

 

I see the Republicans trying to use their deep pockets to create devious schemes to overturn the election. There's that Lt. Governor in Texas willing to pay up to 1 million for voter fraud tips. Rewards that high could create new fraud on top of whatever tips people give.

 

They would have to overturn thousands of Votes in tons of States It has never happened in US History I don't see it happening now. Biden Is blowing out Trump I dont think Trump has much legal standing especially if and when Biden wins Arizona and Georgia! They started the recount in Wisconsin and it looks like Bidens lead will actually grow in the recount! usually in recounts your lead may go up 12 votes or down 12 votes so dont worry about the recounts!

 

Neither the count nor the courts are reasons to worry. But the low-key strategic appointments of the past few days are among the signs of preparations being undertaken for a coup.

And just because the USA have been relatively stable over the course of their short history does not mean it absolutely can't happen. A coup happened at some point in the history of nearly every country in the world. Not all of them succeed; nevertheless, there are signs one might be attempted in the coming weeks.

And remember, 70% of Trump's electors think the election was neither free nor fair. If that polling is accurate, that's 50 million people.

 

Is there a chance that trump can steal the election even though he lost?

There is recounts happening and voter suppression.

 

If it happened there would be a revolution. and an Exodus tons of Americans would go to Canada and Europe. If Trump tries a Dictator thing states like California and New York and Maryland and tons of other Blue states would Secede California and New York are big enough to mass an Army. Trust me it wont come to that Biden will be president on January 20th I heard on MSNBC and CNN this whole not conceding is a publicity stunt to get Trump his own Fox News Network and all these Republican Senators are in on the Network as a Platform to run for president in 2024 with Trumps backing and Funding...

 

The states there doing recounts Biden is up by well over a thousand votes and counting growing meaning his lead. a recount wont change that, the most that change in a recount may be 12 votes. all this supposed voter fraud is bogus Trump is being laughed out of court. When you go to court you need proof Trump has no proof.

 

Almost none constitutionally. There's only a very, very long shot scenario remaining that depends on Republican legislatures in several states simply refusing to accept the result of the popular vote in their own states, which would be highly explosive; it causes chaos, requires several cases of governors and legislatures disagreeing on what slate of electors to send, and ends with the House itself certifying results different from those of the actual election (a majority of state delegations in the House being Republican).

 

So basically Trump has no chance after all? Boy this a scary time for America and the rest of the world.

 

Legitimately, he has none. Legally, he has none. Constitutionally, he has an extremely thin one which he can only seize if he resorts to a high degree of intimidation and/or outright violence.

 

Boy If I have kids or grandkids in the future, I got them a story to tell about what we as Americans lived with throughout our crisis.

 

Just don't become complacent. According to the rules Trump basically has no chance by now of another term. But as we've seen with the last four years, conservatives basically laugh at the rules (with their corruption, willful ignorance and blatant cruelty).

In reality there's pretty much no legitimate way for another Trump term. In Trump world, up is down, their dear leader is a stable genius, Obama was born in Kenya and government officials are already wasting money on the planning for a second Trump term. Don't be surprised by the shamelessness or ruthlessness of Republicans (in the Senate or in the courts). Trump doesn't know or care much about how government works, but he's a useful figurehead for the conservative movement and they know how to bend and break the rules and norms and get away with it. That's why I'm still really worried about the next two months.

 

At what point can Trump no longer sue states? Can he just keep suing them with these lame no-evidence suits?

Trump is obviously trying to stall and delay. He knows his suits carry no chance whatsoever. But I wonder if as the deadline to certify approaches, can states actually go ahead and certify IF Trump is still suing them. If at that point, its his 22nd lawsuit, can they plow ahead? Would they be blocked until Trump gives up? Or...would they need a judge to declare full stop that the state can certify? Or would Trump be able to appeal endlessly.

 

Theoretically either December 14th or January 20th -- at some point he'd have no standing any longer.

 

Right but if he has x number of pending lawsuits in those states, as he continues to sue and appeal...at what point can states go ahead and certify despite Trump gumming up the courts.

 

The states will certify despite lawsuits. See Bush v. Gore.

 

Stable Genius showing his stability and his genius by tweeting to the Justice Dept. this morning to "DO SOMETHING!" to McCabe, Comey and their "gang of treasonous thugs".

Man that is one strong argument.

 

Trump is a crazy person so 1) he'll never admit that he lost but 2) in the days ahead he'll announce that he's running in 2024. I could easily see him holding rallies for the next four years and continuing to act like he's president. Days after Biden is sworn in, if not on the day Biden is sworn in, Trump will have a rally, declare that he's still president, and that he's running in 2024 and then brag that his rally crowd is bigger than Biden's inauguration crowd and then a couple weeks later a bunch of people from the Trump rally will get COVID-19.

 

I saw that the Biden people were a little worried that the inauguration will be flooded with MAGA/Cult people. But I kind of think that would be hella awesome. Seeing a field of Maga having to stand there listening to Biden become Prez...lollol. GOOD.

But in reality I expect Trump to try and do a rally parade that very day. Or at least encourage his followers to do so all over the country. Even though he has to be at the WH to greet the incoming Prez and first lady, I bet they'd skip that and bail out the day before. Watch Trump try to pretend to have simultaneous second WH from Mar Lago for the next few years.

 

I think him saying he's president is a good thing. Let's let him keep saying that, and then in 2024 we disqualify him as ineligible because, as he has noted, he was reelected and so has already had two terms.