Full Series The Yoda Arc (6.10-6.13) Discussion Thread

Valorum's VA is awful. Like, so bad. Also, the animation was really off in that scene; it was like Season 2 quality.

 

I assumed that line was in reference to RoTJ and Yoda informing Luke he had a sibling and the Skywalkers were unusually strong in the Force. Maybe, as someone said on this board somewhere, balance of the Force might have required Anakin to establish a lineage.

 

Whatever else, seeing this guy slither around made me one very happy Star Wars fan.

 

I'm still confused about Sifo-Dyas. What was all that about 2 Jedi on Felucia? I thought Sifo-Dyas ordered the clones, Dooku had him killed by the Pykes on the moon and had his body frozen to give his blood to Grievous?

 

The second Jedi was Dooku, who probably attached himself to Sifo-Dyas' mission, just so he could ensure his demise. Its just the Forest Felucians (the ones from TFU) didn't realize who he was or that he was actually a Sith Lord.

 

So who did the Felucians thought they had killed and had cremated?

 

Good question. This is all just speculation, but perhaps Dooku simply fabricated a body that was damaged enough so the Felucians never were able to tell the difference...or he simply gave them Sifo-Dyas' body to cremate to ensure he would never be found.

 

Yeah I guess Dooku tricked them into thinking they had killed Sifo-Dyas or something.

 

It sounded like the Pykes gave Sifo Dyas' body to Dooku and then he took it to Felucia to make it look like his death was part of the conflict there.

What I don't get is how Silman would have known anything about Dooku's plan. Why did Dooku have to kill him? And why did Dooku kill Sifo Dyas to become him and then continue using his Tyrannus identity?

 

Yeah, my biggest problem was that episode really didn't clarify the origins of the clones. I'm still unsure if Dooku or Sifo-Dyas was the one who ordered the army in the first place. It seems like these episodes and AotC imply Dooku did, but then why did he take Sifo-Dyas's identity in the first place? Was it merely to leave the Jedi in the dark? And why Sifo-Dyas of all the Jedi?

 

Ok, so while there are issues, especially surrounding the portrayal of Grevious, now that Clone Wars is over, I guess that if you want to, you can still consider the Tartakovsky as part of the story. Everything right up to the knighting of Anakin is after AOTC but before the Filoni show. The General Grevious introduction is also before the Filoni show and Anakin leaving Padme to go to the Outer Rim Sieges is after the Filoni show. There are a couple of problems, such as the implied conception of the twins happening on the day Anakin is knighted and Grevious' cough (and general portrayal as previously mentioned) but in general, with Star Wars canon essentially being in constant flux, if you want to count the Tartakovsky series, you can.

 

This makes less sense the more I think about it.

If Sifo Dyas' death took place while Vallorum was still chancellor (Vallorum sent Sifo Dyas on the mission that would eventually lead to his death, right), how was Dooku involved at all? This would have been while Maul was still Sidious' apprentice and Dooku was not yet a Sith.

Am I totally wrong on the timeline here?

 

This is what I think about the Sifo-Dyas situation.

• Darth Sidious manipulates Darth Plagueis to convince Master Sifo-Dyas to approach the Kaminoans about creating a clone army.
• Master Sifo-Dyas visits Kamino and places an order for a Republic Army.
• Darth Sidious then kills Darth Plagueis and later takes Darth Tyranus on as his apprentice.
• Darth Tyranus removes Kamino from the Jedi Archives before he leaves the order.
• Darth Sidious orders Darth Tyranus to kill Master Sifo-Dyas.
• Darth Tyranus tells the Pykes to shoot down Master Sifo-Dyas' ship. He then collects Sifo-Dyas' dead body.
• Darth Tyranus then pretends to be a Jedi accompanying Sifo-Dyas on Felucia where he tricks the Felucians that they have killed Sifo-Dyas.
• Darth Tyranus then freezes Master Sifo-Dyas' body for later use. (Giving his blood to Grievous).
• Darth Tyranus then recruits Jango Fett to be the template clone.
• Darth Tyranus then tells the Kaminoans to begin cloning Jango Fett and to place a chip in every clone's brain.

 

Nope, you're correct. It seems Dooku was beginning to work with Sidious prior to Maul's death. The problem there is that means Qui-Gon's death wasn't the event that drove Dooku from the Order.

 

But this still doesn't explain how Dooku is a Sith while Vallorum is in office.

Vallorum sent Sifo Dyas to Oba-Diah. Sifo Dyas was killed when his ship was shot down as it was leaving Oba-Diah for Felucia. Dooku paid the Pykes to shoot down the ship. Doesn't this mean Dooku was in league with Sidious while Maul was still alive?

 

Maybe Dooku left the Jedi Order earlier than we thought. We never see him in TPM, after all.

 

Okay, interesting.

So now about Dooku using his Tyrannus identity instead of assuming Sifo Dyas' name when interacting with the Kaminoans.

What if he was never interested in keeping his Tyrannus identity a secret from the Kaminoans? Maybe he was always behind the creation of the clones and simply told Lama Su and Nala Se to tell any Jedi who came snooping that Sifo Dyas was behind it. Dooku had him killed so there's no one to refute the claim. And the Jedi would be inclined to believe it since Sifo Dyas had told them about his visions of a great war and his desire to create an army when he was still on the council.

 

So I finished the series yesterday. And last night when I had some free time I finally got around to googling the Moraband thing. Which really bothered me because I thought Yoda was saying it wrong. Of course he wasn't. And while the name change from Korriban probably not a surprise to many of you. But my love for Kotor has ignited my nerd rage over this! lol Especially after reading what Lucas had to say why he changed the name. If he had said well you know it changed because it had been thousands of yeas since Kotor then fine that makes sense to me. But no because it sounded to much like Coruscant. I shouldn't be shocked GL loves to do this to the fan base. But still that's all. I loved the Yoda arc other then that.

It was really nice to have an answer and see him learning how to become one with the force to become a force ghost.

 

According to the episode guide, the name change from Korriban to Moraband is justified IU as being due to the age and significance of the place and it subsequently having many valid names. Korriban is still strongly implied to be a name of the planet.

 

Dooku certainly gave us an epic performance against the Pykes. Sidious's galactic Force choke must have motivated him.

 

Luckily, It is disturbing but not too big. George also changed it because he said a worlds name can change or be known as something else over the years, but I still just consider it Korriban.

 

Easily my favorite moment was seeing Darth Bane brought into G-Level Canon. And by Mark Hamill no less! I wished Revan and Plagueis had been there too, but you can't have everything I guess

Overall a great arc and an awesome way to finish The Clone Wars. Rebels has a lot to live up to.

 

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